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post #3106 of 3352

Just want to add my 2 cents about the Momentum On-ears. For people with smaller ears the sound sig is quite a bit different due to the fit. My ears are completely engulfed in the Momentums but the for MOE they (minus the lobes) can actually fit inside. For me the MOE fit like how the Momentums fit people with larger ears. Not saying that they are uncomfortable, because they are extremely comfortable, even with glasses. Anyway, using Accudio with the balanced settings for the Momentum, the MOE sound inf-ingcredible! In fact, the MOE have superior  'space' in comparison to the Momentums. To my ears anyway.

 

Looking at the curves, they are pretty similar. However graphs don't tell the whole story, people's ears do. YMMV. In my opinion, the differences is contributed to the cup size and materials used in the padding.

post #3107 of 3352

Yeah, I don't understand why there's a couple of posts here and there bashing the on-ear momentums, for the price, they fit right in with the consumer-bass headphones offered by other companies, and by comparison put out a very decent sound. 

I felt the over-ears momentums offered more 'air', but the on-ears had a wider stage, but it wasn't very voluminous stage.

post #3108 of 3352

So I bought the new Skullcandy Aviator revision with detachable cable and 33ohm driver. And guess what? Apart from worse construction compared to momentum's the sound quality is actually better. Bass is tight and not overblown, mids are pretty nicely textured and more present than Momentum. Same with highs, Aviator's don't have the same extreme roll off that Momentum's have and for example classical music sounds a lot better. They have better clarity as well. It's really surprising considering the price you can get these for nowadays.

 

I need to compare these with my IE800 as they have somewhat same sound signature though Aviator's have less bass presence which is not a bad thing at all. 


Edited by Syvere - 6/16/14 at 8:34am
post #3109 of 3352
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Originally Posted by Syvere View Post
 

...sound quality is actually better..... They have better clarity as well.

 

:confused_face_2:

In your opinion... right?

Because objectively.... no.

post #3110 of 3352
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Originally Posted by Syvere View Post
 

So I bought the new Skullcandy Aviator revision with detachable cable and 33ohm driver. And guess what? Apart from worse construction compared to momentum's the sound quality is actually better. Bass is tight and not overblown, mids are pretty nicely textured and more present than Momentum. Same with highs, Aviator's don't have the same extreme roll off that Momentum's have and for example classical music sounds a lot better. They have better clarity as well. It's really surprising considering the price you can get these for nowadays.

 

wow...this is one of the more surprising impressions I've heard. I am speechless. But, and I honestly mean it, thanks for sharing. 

post #3111 of 3352
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

:confused_face_2:

In your opinion... right?

Because objectively.... no.

There's no such thing as objective in sound quality. It all depends on what kind of sound signature you like. I urge you to listen to them side by side. Also note that there are several different versions of Aviator's with different drivers. I have the newest S6AVFM model. Momentum's have considerably more dark sound than the Aviators with much more recessed mids and highs. They really do sound like IE800 in terms of the signature apart from bass which is less prominent on the Aviator. But this is from memory.

 

In fact I'm kind of disappointed that they have better SQ because I love the Momentum's. Thankfully I don't have any need to sell any of my headphones.

 

And I do have a few:

Koss PortaPro

Monster Turbine

Hifiman RE0

a-Jays Four

Apple Earpods

Apple IEMs

Shure 215

Sennheiser IE800

Sennheiser Momentum

Skullcandy Aviator

Bose AE2

Bose OE2

Marshall Monitor

Marshall Major

 

I might have forgotten a few but those should be the majority.


Edited by Syvere - 6/16/14 at 9:27am
post #3112 of 3352
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Very much objectively. I urge you to listen to them side by side. Also note that there are several different versions of Aviator's with different drivers. I have the newest S6AVFM model.

I have a pair of these up on ebay (pretty sure same model number), still sealed. You almost have me tempted to open them though! Almost...

post #3113 of 3352
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post
 

I have a pair of these up on ebay (pretty sure same model number), still sealed. You almost have me tempted to open them though! Almost...

If you'd like Momentum's to be a little bit brighter then go for it. I doubt you'd regret it.

Aviator's also seem to scale a bit better than Momentum's. I have DacMagic Plus, FiiO E7, and Beyerdynamic a 200 p.

 

Unless you're in serious need of the money you have nothing to lose.

post #3114 of 3352
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Originally Posted by Syvere View Post
 

There's no such thing as objective in sound quality. It all depends on what kind of sound signature you like. I urge you to listen to them side by side. Also note that there are several different versions of Aviator's with different drivers. I have the newest S6AVFM model. Momentum's have considerably more dark sound than the Aviators with much more recessed mids and highs. They really do sound like IE800 in terms of the signature apart from bass which is less prominent on the Aviator. But this is from memory.

 

In fact I'm kind of disappointed that they have better SQ because I love the Momentum's. Thankfully I don't have any need to sell any of my headphones.

 

And I do have a few:

Koss PortaPro

Monster Turbine

Hifiman RE0

a-Jays Four

Apple Earpods

Apple IEMs

Shure 215

Sennheiser IE800

Sennheiser Momentum

Skullcandy Aviator

Bose AE2

Bose OE2

Marshall Monitor

Marshall Major

 

I might have forgotten a few but those should be the majority.

 

The general rating from most review sites all said this about the Skull Candy Aviators; Expensive, poor audio quality, light on bass, poor performance, ugly design etc etc. Compare that to the 5/5 star ratings that virtually every site out there has given the Sennheiser Momentums.

 

I have owned the Skull Candy Aviators (were given to me by a friend because they were overpriced junk that could not be returned) and can tell you that they are not even in the same league. Stop posting BS about two products. Folks, the SKULLCANDY AVIATORS are in NO WAY even remotely close to the Sennheiser Momentums. Maybe, just maybe  the Sennheiser HD 202 is comparable to the SkullCandy Aviators.....maybe.....

 

I don't personally have the Aviators anymore (still have access), but I have recently (hours ago while out at the mall) compared them to my own Momentum On-ear as well as the Momentum (in store) just because of this post. I would compare my Meelec Atlas's sound to the Aviators in terms of sound quality. My friend who I gave the Aviators to who still uses them admits that my Atlas sounded better, and has yet to try my MOE or HD 598's.

 

Just want to add though, enjoy what ever sounds good to you. I am not bashing anyone's choice in the Aviators; I made mine and am happy. 

 

Edit: I also tried the Hesh II. They sound like Beats.


Edited by Bansaku - 6/16/14 at 11:57am
post #3115 of 3352
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Why are you so defensive? The fact is that Aviator's are more neutral sounding than Momentum and they are clearer because the mids and highs are not as recessed as in Momentum. They also have wider soundstage, mainly because they're semi-open. Those are the facts. Now if you like darker sound and just like to relax when listening then the Momentum do have better sound. But if the measurement of sound quality is neutrality then they lose. It depends on what you like. 

 

From what I've read the old Aviator's had recessed mids and highs just like Momentum and compared to the old version I have no doubt that the Momentum are better at the same sound signature. But also keep in mind that even Jude from head fi and Tyll from inner fidelity praised the Aviator.

 

I like Momentum too don't take me wrong. They're easy to listen to as they're smooth and laidback due to their sound signature. Aviator's are clearer, more neutral and aggressive, you might say, that can cause fatigue. Much like listening to Grados. My point is that if you like Momentum but would want more prominent mids and highs then the new Aviator's are pretty cheap to try out.

 

Don't diss just because they're made by Skullcandy. I don't like the brand either and I had their Hesh model years ago that lasted only for a month before the headband snapped. Aviator's aren't exactly build from premium materials either like Momentums are, but they feel like they are durable enough to last. The only plastic parts seem to be driver casing and that's true for Momentum as well.

 

My few niggles with the Momentum are the bit too recessed and rolled off highs (for my tastes!) and the fact that they aren't exactly portable. Collapsing driver housing would be great for portability.


Edited by Syvere - 6/16/14 at 1:01pm
post #3116 of 3352
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Originally Posted by Syvere View Post
 

There's no such thing as objective in sound quality. It all depends on what kind of sound signature you like.

I respectfully disagree.

There are many other things other than 'sound signature'(/Frequency Response) that constitute 'sound quality'. (resolution, speed, separation, sound-stage, texture, layering, positional cues etc etc)

 

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 The fact is that Aviator's are more neutral sounding than Momentum and they are clearer because the mids and highs are not as recessed as in Momentum. They also have wider soundstage, mainly because they're semi-open. Those are the facts..

 

But also keep in mind that even Jude from head fi and Tyll from inner fidelity praised the Aviator.

You just said there's nothing objective about sound quality, yet now you're talking about facts?  Confused I am. :confused:

 

I take everything Jude and Tyll say/write/publish with a pinch of salt. Sure I agree with a whole tonne of stuff both of them have said about some headphones.

But I also MASSIVELY disagree with some of the things they've said too. In the end we all hear differently and I respect those differences.

 

I actually really like the Aviators. I just wish they didn't look so hideous and were actually built properly. For the money today, it's difficult to beat their sound, that's for sure. :beerchug:

post #3117 of 3352
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

Sorry, I meant that objectively saying that Aviator's are better than Momentum isn't true because while you can say that Aviator's are more neutral and have wider soundstage etc. that doesn't automatically make them better.

 

It depends on what the reference measurement is. If it's flat frequency response for example then Momentum loses but you still might prefer it to other headphones. In terms of separation and resolution I think they're pretty equal, it's just easier to hear the details on Aviator's but they're there on Momentum as well. And more often than not one headphone excels in one area while the other in some other aspect. It's very hard to objectively say that this headphone is truly better than the other because you often win some and lose some. And that's just the measurements. I have noticed that the perceivable sound quality varies from person to person and is largely based on feelings rather than technical aspects of the headphone.

 

It's the same thing with IE800. They're technically better than either of these two headphones but I think I still prefer the Momentum and Aviator.

 

It's true what you said about Tyll and Jude and the same goes for all forum talk. I usually look for impressions to see if I might be interested in something but you never really know unless you try yourself. Though it is fun to just talk about sound and headphones and compare your experiences.


Edited by Syvere - 6/16/14 at 1:30pm
post #3118 of 3352
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Why are you so defensive? 

 

Sorry if I seemed a little too hash or 'defensive'. I just got up (my day off) saw the post while having my smoke and coffee and thought 'Hey, I am heading down to the mall to pay a bill, why not do a shootout?', so I did. Having a pair of Aviators (I did like them...at the time) and loving my MOE I thought it would be fun to revisit, just for sh*ts and giggles. Lucky for me I was able to plug the headphones into my iPod (as opposed to using the demo switches) and used the balanced settings for the Aviators and Momentum using the Accudio App (seriously folks, GET THIS) for a fair comparison. Here is what I found.

 

Sound Stage: Momentum wins. Aviators are decent in width and height, but over all 360 sound goes to the Momentum.

Bass: Surprisingly they are both pretty good when balanced, with the Aviators sounding slightly more boomy and the Momentums having slightly greater extension. 

Mids: Momentum has a silky smooth mid range that transition well into treble. The Aviators are smooth up until the upper mids where it starts to fall apart with a not so nice transition into the treble. Some power notes sound harsh. 

Highs: Again, the momentum wins this. The Aviators do extend well, but the treble sounds more artificial and has a couple ungraceful dips in the frequency, some cymbals sound rough while the Momentum retains the natural metallic sound with a smooth roll-off.

Comfort: Hand down, Momentum!

 

Overall the Aviators did have a more 'forward' sound while the Momentums were more 'laid back'. Back in the day I never had the Accudio app (because it didn't exist) but I was pleasantly surprised at how well the Aviators took to the balanced settings. However, the Momentums sound more refined (one of the most disliked words here, I know) and natural.

 

 

:beerchug: 


Edited by Bansaku - 6/16/14 at 1:39pm
post #3119 of 3352
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Originally Posted by Syvere View Post

 

Sorry, I meant that objectively saying that Aviator's are better than Momentum isn't true because while you can say that Aviator's are more neutral and have wider soundstage etc. that doesn't automatically make them better.

 

It depends on what the reference measurement is. If it's flat frequency response for example then Momentum loses but you still might prefer it to other headphones. In terms of separation and resolution I think they're pretty equal, it's just easier to hear the details on Aviator's but they're there on Momentum as well. And more often than not one headphone excels in one are while the other in some other aspect. It's very hard to objectively say that this headphone is truly better than the other because you often win some and lose some. And that's just the measurements. I have noticed that the perceptible sound quality varies from person to person and is largely based on feelings rather than technical aspects of the headphone.

 

It's the same thing with IE800. They're technically better than either of these two headphones but I think I still prefer the Momentum and Aviator.

 

It's true what you said about Tyll and Jude and the same goes for all forum talk. I usually look for impressions to see if I might be interested in something but you never really know unless you try yourself. Though it is fun to just talk about sound and headphones and compare your experiences.

I fully agree.

post #3120 of 3352
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Originally Posted by Bansaku View Post
 

 

Sorry if I seemed a little too hash or 'defensive'. I just got up (my day off) saw the post while having my smoke and coffee and thought 'Hey, I am heading down to the mall to pay a bill, why not do a shootout?', so I did. Having a pair of Aviators (I did like them...at the time) and loving my MOE I thought it would be fun to revisit, just for sh*ts and giggles. Lucky for me I was able to plug the headphones into my iPod (as opposed to using the demo switches) and used the balanced settings for the Aviators and Momentum using the Accudio App (seriously folks, GET THIS) for a fair comparison. Here is what I found.

 

Sound Stage: Momentum wins. Aviators are decent in width and height, but over all 360 sound goes to the Momentum.

Bass: Surprisingly they are both pretty good when balanced, with the Aviators sounding slightly more boomy and the Momentums having slightly greater extension. 

Mids: Momentum has a silky smooth mid range that transition well into treble. The Aviators are smooth up until the upper mids where it starts to fall apart with a not so nice transition into the treble. Some power notes sound harsh. 

Highs: Again, the momentum wins this. The Aviators do extend well, but the treble sounds more artificial and has a couple ungraceful dips in the frequency, some cymbals sound rough while the Momentum retains the natural metallic sound with a smooth roll-off.

 

Overall the Aviators did have a more 'forward' sound while the Momentums were more 'laid back'. Back in the day I never had the Accudio app (because it didn't exist) but I was pleasantly surprised at how well the Aviators took to the balanced settings. However, the Momentums sound more refined (one of the most disliked words here, I know) and natural.

 

:beerchug: 

It's okay. I just like to talk about these things. I did the testing without EQ so that explains the more prominent differences I noticed.

Momentum are more smooth definitely and with EQ they may sound more pleasing since you make the mids and highs more pronounced.

 

Like you said I think the biggest difference is indeed the overall feeling of the sound you get after listening each of them for a while. Aviator's are airy and brighter while Momentum are smooth and laid back. This without EQ and driven from FiiO E7.

 

One thing I should also mention that the music also plays a big part in headphones comparison. Most of the newer music seems to be very limited in dynamic range and sounds really digital on all headphones. It's a shame really.

 

Does the Accudio app only work with local music files? Have they updated with iOS7 UI yet? I was waiting for them to update the app before buying it. Just out of curiosity do you know which Aviator model they had in the store? I know there are (at least) three. The first one with 65 ohm drivers and fixed cable. The second had removable cable but I don't know if they changed the driver on those. The newest model comes with 34ohm drivers and removable cables. I don't really like how they sell the same product but with totally different drivers but there's nothing to be done really.


Edited by Syvere - 6/16/14 at 1:53pm
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