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post #301 of 3325
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Originally Posted by NewMexiCat View Post

 

Thanks for the objective comparison of the Momentum and the HD 25.  Your statement above puzzles me, though, given the specs of the two headphones.  My understanding was that the Momentum is a very low impedance phone (18-ohm), while the original HD 25 is in the 60 to 70 ohm range.  It would seem that the Momentum should be easier to drive directly from the source.  Now if you are talking strictly about the Amperior, that would make more sense as I believe Senn lowered the impedance on those.

I'm a noob, but I think it might be because SPL of Momentum is 110dB, while it's 120dB for Amperior/HD25.


Edited by eron - 10/1/12 at 8:46am
post #302 of 3325

I think how these companies with the pedigree like Sennheiser are handling the beats is way off. I say stick to making great sounding headphones at appropriate prices and you'll be rewarded. The beats are popular because of their marketing team and not to mention that demographic has never heard hi-fi headphones before. I mean you're talking about people who are use to spending 10 to 20 dollars on headphones. When something like the beats come around they just blow your mind. I'll admit, I use to buy Koss headphones like no body's business because they were cheap. I never new what good sounding headphones were. Before they became popular I tried on a pair of beats at the apple store and was blown away. I had never experienced sound like that before. This was about 2009 or 2010, I don't remember. Of course I didn't pay full retail. I payed about 200 for them, which is what they are really worth if you ask me. After having them for a while I quickly knew that those things where crap. the cable lasted a few weeks which is a joke because Monster is esentially a cable company, aren't they? Then the headphones cracked in the center. I had them replaced a few times thanks to having a buddy who worked at an apple store. I think every one should make Friends with at least one apple employee, they are very valuable to have. 

 

Long story short, Beats make their money by using the cheapest of materials they can get away with and charging a premium for them. The people buying these headphones aren't audiophiles by a long shot. The only way to succeed in this space is buy your way into the music video scene. Get your headphones in front of as many cameras being worn by as many celebs as you can afford. 


Edited by trunolimit - 10/1/12 at 10:52pm
post #303 of 3325
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Originally Posted by trunolimit View Post

I think how these companies with the pedigree like Sennheiser are handling the beats is way off. I say stick to making great sounding headphones at appropriate prices and you'll be rewarded. The beats are popular because of their marketing team and not to mention that demographic has never heard hi-fi headphones before. I mean you're talking about people who are use to spending 10 to 20 dollars on headphones. When something like the beats come around they just blow your mind. I'll admit, I use to buy Koss headphones like no body's business because they were cheap. I never new what good sounding headphones were. Before they became popular I tried on a pair of beats at the apple store and was blown away. I had never experienced sound like that before. This was about 2009 or 20010, I don't remember. Of course I didn't pay full retail. I payed about 200 for them, which is what they are really worth if you ask me. After having them for a while I quickly knew that those things where crap. the cable lasted a few weeks which is a joke because Monster is esentially a cable company, aren't they? Then the headphones cracked in the center. I had them replaced a few times thanks to having a buddy who worked at an apple store. I think every one should make Friends with at least one apple employee, they are very valuable to have. 

 

Long story short, Beats make their money by using the cheapest of materials they can get away with and charging a premium for them. The people buying these headphones aren't audiophiles by a long shot. The only way to succeed in this space is buy your way into the music video scene. Get your headphones in front of as many cameras being worn by as many celebs as you can afford. 


Funny, My experience was similar. But it's the ugly truth.

post #304 of 3325
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Are you using the US S3 or the international?

 

I'm using the international (UK) S3 also the International S2. I'm guessing they might be less efficient, or the Samsung isn't supplying them enough current. The HD25-1-II is very sensitive despite having 70 ohms impedance.

post #305 of 3325

Bass amount and quality vs D2000's and how are these 2 compare overall?

post #306 of 3325
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Originally Posted by Kyle 491 View Post

I've had these for a few days and been comparing them to my hd-25 w/ custom copper cable from galaxy s2 and s3 as well from an m- dac/ matrix m-stage combo on my pc. I feel they are roughly on the same level overall, possessing a less fatiguing treble, similar soundstage but muddier, less defined and extended bass. The grainier, rolled off treble contributes to their lack of imaging vs the hd-25 however when amped properly they are much less harsh sounding and can be listened to at higher volumes than the hd-25 while sounding full-bodied and relatively balanced (the fun v-shaped sig of the hd-25 becomes too top heavy at high volumes IMO). While I like the fact they are not peaky monstrosities like the last Senn I tried, the hd700, they feel a little dull and low-fi considering the price. Their tonal balance is pleasingly close to the hd650 but they are vastly inferior in all aspects, especially ambient detail and imaging. They are below the hd 595 in detail retrieval. They also just dont go very loud driven by a smartphone like the s3, below the hd-25 in volume and certainly the Amperior. The Amperior are better in all regards including bass impact and definition, so given the choice between these 2 similar priced phones its a no brainer.
I'll be taking these back for a refund.

I had similar thoughts when listening to these on my phone but was pleasantly surprised when using the ibasso DX100.  Of course my open cans of choice (for the $350 I paid for them) are the HD650 so I will be the first to admit a bias.  I've always liked Senns sound signature and the momentum just added a "fun" set of closed headphones to the mix.  It is odd that Senn made a headphone with less impedance but used components that really don't shine with the marketed source component (iphone, andriod, etc.).

 

Despite what they may or may not be marketed for, I'm happy with the momentum as a closed headphone for office use driven by a reference caliber source.


Edited by swimmintunes - 10/2/12 at 4:43pm
post #307 of 3325
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Originally Posted by swimmintunes View Post

I had similar thoughts when listening to these on my phone but was pleasantly surprised when using the ibasso DX100.  Of course my open cans of choice (for the $350 I paid for them) are the HD650 so I will be the first to admit a bias.  I've always liked Senns sound signature and the momentum just added a "fun" set of closed headphones to the mix.  It is odd that Senn made a headphone with less impedance but used components that really don't shine with the marketed source component (iphone, andriod, etc.).

Despite what they may or may not be marketed for, I'm happy with the momentum as a closed headphone for office use driven by a reference caliber source.

I would agree that these make a good "fun" headphone. It also really depends on the music. Whenever I listen to EDM, this is one of the first pairs that I grab, out of quite a few choices! The fact that they are starting to pay attention to the look and feel is pretty exciting though! Eventually they will create a great looking, AND SOUNDING, mid-priced($499) headphone! Again, I do like these, just not as a critical listening can.
post #308 of 3325
If anyone can do any more comparisons to the HD25 in terms of soundstage, imaging and detail I would appreciate it.
post #309 of 3325
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

 

I would really like to hear a version with less bass, and maybe a machined aluminum ear cup!  Combined, they would really be the best of both worlds. 

 

ditto.
would have bought one in an instant

post #310 of 3325

open up the momentum and stuff something inside it to reduce bass and increase treble =)

post #311 of 3325
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post


I would agree that these make a good "fun" headphone. It also really depends on the music. Whenever I listen to EDM, this is one of the first pairs that I grab, out of quite a few choices! The fact that they are starting to pay attention to the look and feel is pretty exciting though! Eventually they will create a great looking, AND SOUNDING, mid-priced($499) headphone! Again, I do like these, just not as a critical listening can.


How does the bass punch on Momentum compare to headphones like a Sig Pro or M4U2?

post #312 of 3325

More punch than Sig pros.

post #313 of 3325
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Originally Posted by eron View Post

More punch than Sig pros.


*&%$, now Momentum is back on my growing short list.

post #314 of 3325
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


*&%$, now Momentum is back on my growing short list.

Honestly, the only way to find out what suits you most is to listen to them.

post #315 of 3325
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Originally Posted by eron View Post

Honestly, the only way to find out what suits you most is to listen to them.


You are 100% correct, just frustrated I can't find these or several of the headphones I am considering in store to audition.

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