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HD600, not boring, I like them much more than the HD650.

 



They sound quite similar really... Tried both... Although yes the HD600 are less slow compared to the HD650... They are still quite slow / boring sounding to my ears.... Just my opinion... I like the HD650 and HD600.... Some of my favorite headphones and very good in a lot of ways.... Just I find them a bit slow and relaxing / boring with some genres..

Is it that you prefer a U or V shaped FR? Prefer something with more treble emphasis and pushed up bass?

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Is it that you prefer a U or V shaped FR? Prefer something with more treble emphasis and pushed up bass?

 



Hmm not so much that, I think it is more about the way they present the music, I find that sennheisers have a sort of relaxing sound and maybe a bit lacking in PRAT.... Cannot put my finger on it really, just something I have noticed with Sennheiser headphones.... Maybe boring is a bit harsh.... More relaxing and spaced out sounding is what I mean, although I would describe the HD6xx series as pretty boring with some genres, Momentums and IE8 were not really boring, but a bit too "polite". I think it is just the "Sennheiser sound". Would like to see a "momentum 2" which has 50% bigger cups, 100% bigger soundstage and slightly better treble.
Edited by nicholars - 11/12/13 at 8:46pm
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HD600, not boring, I like them much more than the HD650.

 



They sound quite similar really... Tried both... Although yes the HD600 are less slow compared to the HD650... They are still quite slow / boring sounding to my ears.... Just my opinion... I like the HD650 and HD600.... Some of my favorite headphones and very good in a lot of ways.... Just I find them a bit slow and relaxing / boring with some genres..

That's why grado's exist :)

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Is it that you prefer a U or V shaped FR? Prefer something with more treble emphasis and pushed up bass?

 



Hmm not so much that, I think it is more about the way they present the music, I find that sennheisers have a sort of relaxing sound and maybe a bit lacking in PRAT.... Cannot put my finger on it really, just something I have noticed with Sennheiser headphones.... Maybe boring is a bit harsh.... More relaxing and spaced out sounding is what I mean, although I would describe the HD6xx series as pretty boring with some genres, Momentums and IE8 were not really boring, but a bit too "polite". I think it is just the "Sennheiser sound". Would like to see a "momentum 2" which has 50% bigger cups, 100% bigger soundstage and slightly better treble.

As I thought, it's the treble that your after, admit it. :D More of the Sennheiser Veil again.

Edit: The HD650 sounds noticeably different from the HD600, HD700 and HD800. It has less treble and the bass is pushed up some. These are more neutral, which to me is a good thing.


Edited by StanD - 11/13/13 at 3:36am
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As I thought, it's the treble that your after, admit it. " src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif"> More of the Sennheiser Veil again.

Edit: The HD650 sounds noticeably different from the HD600, HD700 and HD800. It has less treble and the bass is pushed up some. These are more neutral, which to me is a good thing.

 



It is that a bit but I do not even like bright headphones... I just find the "sennheiser sound" to be a bit too "polite" and could be more agressive.... Not just the treble but the whole way that they present the music.... However I think they make very nice headphones that are perfect when you want to relax and get into the music.... When I want something a bit more "exciting" I prefer other headphones such as the Denons or HE400. If the HD650 are 10/10 for boringness I would rate the HD600 about 8/10 IE8 5/10 and Momentum 3/10... I would rate the Denons and HE400 at 1/10.... Grado or Beyerdynamic etc. are far too bright and agressive for me.... I actually really like the HD650, although it sounds like I don't... Just not for some genres...
Edited by nicholars - 11/13/13 at 9:11am
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As I thought, it's the treble that your after, admit it. <img data-cke-saved-src=Sennheiser Veil again.

Edit: The HD650 sounds noticeably different from the HD600, HD700 and HD800. It has less treble and the bass is pushed up some. These are more neutral, which to me is a good thing.

 



It is that a bit but I do not even like bright headphones... I just find the "sennheiser sound" to be a bit too "polite" and could be more agressive.... Not just the treble but the whole way that they present the music.... However I think they make very nice headphones that are perfect when you want to relax and get into the music.... When I want something a bit more "exciting" I prefer other headphones such as the Denons or HE400. If the HD650 are 10/10 for boringness I would rate the HD600 about 8/10 IE8 5/10 and Momentum 3/10... I would rate the Denons and HE400 at 1/10.... Grado or Beyerdynamic etc. are far too bright and agressive for me.... I actually really like the HD650, although it sounds like I don't... Just not for some genres...

Ok, but what are the characteristics make the sound exciting for you?

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I think my first expensive phones were sennheiser iem's that stop working shortly after purchase.... A bad taste left I say.

I can look at my amazon history if anybody is interested in model number...
Edited by UnityIsPower - 11/13/13 at 5:45pm
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I think my first expensive phones were sennheiser iem's that stop working shortly after purchase.... A bad taste left I say.

I can look at my amazon history if anybody is interested in model number...

CX 300 - II ?

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Ok, but what are the characteristics make the sound exciting for you?

 



Speed and PRAT
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Ok, but what are the characteristics make the sound exciting for you?

 



Speed and PRAT

Kind of redundant, don't you think?  

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Kind of redundant, don't you think?  

 



What?
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Kind of redundant, don't you think?  

 



What?

Calling out speed, in conjunction with Pace, Rhythm and Attack Timing?

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Does the seam inside the pad rub on your ear? After a while that's what bothers me.

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Yes on my Brown momentum which I have sold, I am using the Black Momentum and I have no issue and I have my ears fit inside nicely , no issue.

 

Just getting caught up on this thread and wanted to reply to this situation. On my way to my Black Momentums, I went through 2 Brown pairs as well (nothing was really faulty with them but it was just a buy/return process that was complicated). 

 

Brown Pair #1: Had exceptionally soft leather, seams did not bother me whatsoever. The leather was also very dark brown, almost blackish in some lighting. 

Brown Pair #2: Had much harder leather, stiffer. Stiff enough that the memory foam didn't really work as intended. The seams on this one caused discomfort and a soreness on the outer ear after 1 hour or so. I immediately did not like these. Also to note, the leather on this pair was much lighter, almost a slightly dark football color of leather. 

 

Black Pair: These were my 3rd purchase and they were what i wanted all along, the black that is. And thankfully, the leather was much like the Brown Pair #1. The leather was very soft and no discomfort from the seams. I can wear these for 6-7 hours straight without any discomfort. 

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Calling out speed, in conjunction with Pace, Rhythm and Attack Timing?

 



If you want to be particularly pedantic then yes.... But I always thought that P.R.A.T meant "punch, rhythm and timing" or "pace, rhythm and timing"... Not sure...

My point was that "exciting" sound does not always mean "V" sound with a lot of treble...
Edited by nicholars - 11/13/13 at 10:52pm
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Not sure what I am on about anyway really TBH as this is the Momentum thread....

Thinking about it the Momentums had a nice balance of bass / mids / treble and the treble on them was very even and nicely balanced... They were not really boring.... Maybe a bit compared to Denon D2000 or HE400.... The Sennheisers which I find boring are the HD6xx series.... Although I like them for some genres.... They are pretty poor at genres like EDM.... The problem I had with the Momentums (which I eventually sold them for) was the tiny cups and the soundstage (lack of)....

Seriously if Sennheiser can just release a bigger momentum which is basically the same sound but with a bigger soundstage and bigger cups I would prob sell my HE400 and get some. They have a really nice design with the Momentums.... But I would really like to see a home version, instead of a tiny portable version that they are currently.... Not sure why Sennheiser do not do this really.... Current Sennheiser closed headphones do not sound as good as the Momentums and the full size open headphones sound totally different.... There is definately a gap in the market at around £300 for a pair of Momentums which are basically the same but 50% bigger.... I would get them
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