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post #166 of 511
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Originally Posted by smithyone1l View Post

Barra and AJ, did you guys do a mouth closed impression for your nt6 pro?

I am about to pull the trigger on getting some and would appreciate the advice. Complete coincidence has my wife in Seoul in the next month sn I can get both stock and upgrade cable for a nice discount at local price.

Hidition have said mouth closed which I have read should put more pressure on the IEM than mouth open. However, my current IEMs were mouth open and actually have more bass and a better seal in that position than when in relaxed mouth closed listening. Which is a bit frustrating!
I did mouth closed on my NT6 and no fit problem.
post #167 of 511
I followed the closed mouth instructions and they came out nice and snug with a perfect seal. They are tight enough that I need to take them out every hour or so to let the blood return to my inner ear. However, just as important, make sure to get a deep insertion impression as they will make use of it for a musicians fit for optimal seal.
post #168 of 511
Thanks guys!

Ok I'll go with a mouth closed then. I'm looking forward to seeing how much of a difference some TOTL CIEMs make over my mages. And then how much of a difference the hdp r10 makes over my Galaxy Note 2.

I'll post some impressions of how they sound once I get them at the start of February.
post #169 of 511
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Originally Posted by smithyone1l View Post

Thanks guys!

Ok I'll go with a mouth closed then. I'm looking forward to seeing how much of a difference some TOTL CIEMs make over my mages. And then how much of a difference the hdp r10 makes over my Galaxy Note 2.

I'll post some impressions of how they sound once I get them at the start of February.


R10 should win hands down, it is one of the best daps ever produced.

 

As for your impressions, mouth closed but not put any pressure with your teeth, don't bite or tense your muscles. Stay in relaxed mood, get your optimum listening position mate.

 

Good luck with the purchase, an excellent choice if you ask me.

post #170 of 511
Thread Starter 

I am not a good person to ask about as I didn't receive impression instructions, took them with a bite block, and had issues.  But, at that time I wasn't the only one, which is why they offered the silicone canals, which corrected for inaccuracies.  I believe they hired a new tech since then.  Whatever they suggest is the way you should have them done.

post #171 of 511
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Originally Posted by smithyone1l View Post

... did you guys do a mouth closed impression for your nt6 pro?

 

I was fitted for the NT-6 Pro at Hidition's office under Mr. Seung's supervision. A 1" bite block was used.

post #172 of 511
Ok, seems like either mouth closed or small bite block. Think I'll go with relaxed mouth closed. Thanks all.

Just hoping I don't find them too treble heavy. I'm expecting some low end slam which my Mages currently lack. Fingers crossed, as it does seem there are a few Head Fi ers who have said their nt6 pros are a bit sibilant or too bright.

Interesting though that AJ, who doesn't find the SE5 Way 'dark' sounding, also doesn't find the nt6-pro too treble heavy. If some of the reviews are to be believed, you might expect someone 'sensitive' to treble to find these two IEMs difficult to like at the same time, as liking the nt6 pro would make the SE5 way sound too 'dark/smooth' and vice versa.

It's also a matter of the tracks and recordings you listen to and how you think things 'should' sound. A live rock gig recently (BRMC) showed me that cymbals should have bite and be a bit fatiguing if they are to sound realistic. Similarly, the bass drum kick in a live setting is also fatiguing, at reasonable volume. I don't want things smoothed over too much by my equipment.

As always, perception rules and mine may be different to other users. I'm hoping I love them!
post #173 of 511
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Originally Posted by smithyone1l View Post

Ok, seems like either mouth closed or small bite block. Think I'll go with relaxed mouth closed. Thanks all.

Just hoping I don't find them too treble heavy. I'm expecting some low end slam which my Mages currently lack. Fingers crossed, as it does seem there are a few Head Fi ers who have said their nt6 pros are a bit sibilant or too bright.

Interesting though that AJ, who doesn't find the SE5 Way 'dark' sounding, also doesn't find the nt6-pro too treble heavy. If some of the reviews are to be believed, you might expect someone 'sensitive' to treble to find these two IEMs difficult to like at the same time, as liking the nt6 pro would make the SE5 way sound too 'dark/smooth' and vice versa.

It's also a matter of the tracks and recordings you listen to and how you think things 'should' sound. A live rock gig recently (BRMC) showed me that cymbals should have bite and be a bit fatiguing if they are to sound realistic. Similarly, the bass drum kick in a live setting is also fatiguing, at reasonable volume. I don't want things smoothed over too much by my equipment.

As always, perception rules and mine may be different to other users. I'm hoping I love them!

 

To me, the low end of the NT6 Pro signature changes/scales with source/amp/volume. At low volumes on the DX50, the bass/sub-bass may seem light to some from the headphone out compared to something like my Monster Coppers but comparable to my TF10s. However, add an inexpensive BH2 amp to the LO and the bass/sub-bass becomes substantial and impactful with the added power - even at lower volumes - taking the NT6 Pro to a whole other level. The NT6 Pro seems to like power a lot. The lower end is also brought out from the DX50's internal amp by simply raising the volume, but it becomes fatiguing for longer listening sessions at the higher listening levels - possibly being considered bright by some - because of the increased impact in the higher registers. You don't just hear the cymbals shimmer, you feel/hear the hit as well as well as the compression when the drummer releases the peddle. IMO, the NT6 Pro is not just about hearing the sounds with crystal clear fidelity extended at both ends, it is about feeling the texture as well.

 

Last night I was playing with the DX50 and the new 1.2.7 firmware comparing the NT6 Pro, Coppers, and TF10s with and without the BH2 amp. Even thought the Coppers and TF10s sound incredible with the DX50, the NT6 Pro blew them away easily in all cases rendering the Coppers and TF10s unlistenable and sounding like kid's toys. I ended up staying up into the early morning listening in awe to the DX50>BH2>NT6 Pro setup playing through all the new songs I just added to my microSD card.

post #174 of 511
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Originally Posted by Barra View Post

To me, the low end of the NT6 Pro signature changes/scales with source/amp/volume. At low volumes on the DX50, the bass/sub-bass may seem light to some from the headphone out compared to something like my Monster Coppers but comparable to my TF10s. However, add an inexpensive BH2 amp to the LO and the bass/sub-bass becomes substantial and impactful with the added power - even at lower volumes - taking the NT6 Pro to a whole other level. The NT6 Pro seems to like power a lot. The lower end is also brought out from the DX50's internal amp by simply raising the volume, but it becomes fatiguing for longer listening sessions at the higher listening levels - possibly being considered bright by some - because of the increased impact in the higher registers. You don't just hear the cymbals shimmer, you feel/hear the hit as well as well as the compression when the drummer releases the peddle. IMO, the NT6 Pro is not just about hearing the sounds with crystal clear fidelity extended at both ends, it is about feeling the texture as well.

Last night I was playing with the DX50 and the new 1.2.7 firmware comparing the NT6 Pro, Coppers, and TF10s with and without the BH2 amp. Even thought the Coppers and TF10s sound incredible with the DX50, the NT6 Pro blew them away easily in all cases rendering the Coppers and TF10s unlistenable and sounding like kid's toys. I ended up staying up into the early morning listening in awe to the DX50>BH2>NT6 Pro setup playing through all the new songs I just added to my microSD card.

Thanks for that Barra.

Hopefully the Hdp r10 will take the Nt6 pro into that territory, of impact full bass, like your lineout amp. If they are a little bright with some tracks there will always be the option of EQing the treble down. Not my preferred method of shaping the sound, but sometimes it us very effective.
post #175 of 511
Barra, further to our discussion in 5way thread, could you please tell me whether you find NT-6 Pro's mids recessed? This is the main reason why I could end up with NT-6.
post #176 of 511
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Originally Posted by Krismarzyk View Post

Barra, further to our discussion in 5way thread, could you please tell me whether you find NT-6 Pro's mids recessed? This is the main reason why I could end up with NT-6.

 

Powered/sourced correctly, the NT6 Pro seems very neutral to me giving equal weight/detail/texturing throughout the frequency range. However, the range seems very extended at both ends that may lead to some to believe there is added weight to the lows and the highs vs. a tighter frequency range. Regardless of the illusion, the mids are well represented. More importantly, at the right volumes the mids bring the vocalist up close and personal providing a full sized audiophile sound such as being front row with all associated detail available. Even more importantly, the neutral signature that I am talking about puts everything else on the same stage with correct imaging/sizing for a realistic "being there" sound. Nobody sounds like they are singing or playing the drum from another room with the door closed far far away.

 

Obviously, this is in my opinion and given my choice of sources as I find that the NT6 Pro sounds different with different sources, amping, and volumes. Please also keep in mind that I am lacking the prospective of hearing the SE5 or any other high end CIEM to compare. My reference is my LCD2/Mjolnir setup that is spectacular, and the DX50/BH2/NT6 Pro setup is not too far off in jaw dropping quality.

post #177 of 511

They finally arrived this morrning.

 

The fit is not perfect on the left side (I have pain), but I'll wait a few more days.

The build quality is rather nice. It is my first pair of CIEMs and I am quite happy to see that quality.

My adventure with the Heir 4.AI was a major waste of money and time, so I took my time in order to avoid another failure.

I have to confess that I must have disturbed some very kind members here with my questions (my apologies for that :tongue_smile: Barra, Average_Joe, Tupac, Project86 and thank you for the help ).

 

My first impressions are very positive, after an hour of use.

During the first minutes, I was not really impressed, so I put some bassy songs... and I began to smile: the bass was there, strong, already extended, the texture was also good.

A lot of details at the same time, seemingly in a lot of space.

Indeed the sound is clear, but I was expecting more brightness, with much more offensive treble but that is not what I heard.

 

I need more time with them now :L3000:

 

 


Edited by Pondu - 12/30/13 at 2:23pm
post #178 of 511
Pondu, you have NT-6 or NT-6 Pro?

How long did you wait for them (from the moment of receipt of your ears impressions by Hidition)?

Is this a stock cable? Is it nice?
post #179 of 511
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Originally Posted by Krismarzyk View Post

Pondu, you have NT-6 or NT-6 Pro?

How long did you wait for them (from the moment of receipt of your ears impressions by Hidition)?

Is this a stock cable? Is it nice?


It seems like an aftermarket cable to me.

post #180 of 511
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by smithyone1l View Post

Interesting though that AJ, who doesn't find the SE5 Way 'dark' sounding, also doesn't find the nt6-pro too treble heavy. If some of the reviews are to be believed, you might expect someone 'sensitive' to treble to find these two IEMs difficult to like at the same time, as liking the nt6 pro would make the SE5 way sound too 'dark/smooth' and vice versa.

 

Hearing something as bright is not the same as being sensitive to treble, and there is an adjustment period when going from the SE5 to the NT-6 pro for me, but it also depends on the source and the songs.  Both can change significantly with each, and poorly mastered tracks will be recreated in all their offensiveness.  I do blame many issues on the mastering, and for all I know, these CIEMs are more resolving than the mastering setup.  

 

The SE5 is not dark or smooth, but it does adjust to tracks more than any other headphone I have heard, especially in the upper midrange and lower treble.  This can lead to a darker sound, depending on the track and what is being compared, but then the whole presentation is resolving and detailed with treble extension for an air sound.  The SE5 can sound offensive in the treble region with poor tracks as well.  There is also an adjustment time, and here are my thoughts on brain adjustments.

 

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Originally Posted by Barra View Post
 

To me, the low end of the NT6 Pro signature changes/scales with source/amp/volume. At low volumes on the DX50, the bass/sub-bass may seem light to some from the headphone out compared to something like my Monster Coppers but comparable to my TF10s. However, add an inexpensive BH2 amp to the LO and the bass/sub-bass becomes substantial and impactful with the added power - even at lower volumes - taking the NT6 Pro to a whole other level. The NT6 Pro seems to like power a lot. The lower end is also brought out from the DX50's internal amp by simply raising the volume, but it becomes fatiguing for longer listening sessions at the higher listening levels - possibly being considered bright by some - because of the increased impact in the higher registers. You don't just hear the cymbals shimmer, you feel/hear the hit as well as well as the compression when the drummer releases the peddle. IMO, the NT6 Pro is not just about hearing the sounds with crystal clear fidelity extended at both ends, it is about feeling the texture as well.

 

Last night I was playing with the DX50 and the new 1.2.7 firmware comparing the NT6 Pro, Coppers, and TF10s with and without the BH2 amp. Even thought the Coppers and TF10s sound incredible with the DX50, the NT6 Pro blew them away easily in all cases rendering the Coppers and TF10s unlistenable and sounding like kid's toys. I ended up staying up into the early morning listening in awe to the DX50>BH2>NT6 Pro setup playing through all the new songs I just added to my microSD card.

 

Nice description Barra.  The NT-6 pro is not for the faint of heart at higher volumes, and adjusts well  for human loudness curves at lower volumes.

 

I also wanted to bring up your comparison of the Copper and TF10, as that was well put also and something many people ask about.  High end CIEMs can (and most of the time do) put even mid-range universals to shame.  In my case, I greatly prefer many of my CIEMs over the LCD-2 as they are more precise, clear, and focused, which helps recreate a more realistic listening environment.  

 
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Originally Posted by Pondu View Post
 

 

They finally arrived this morrning.

 

The fit is perfect on the left side (I have pain), but I'll wait a few more days.

The build quality is rather nice. It is my first pair of CIEMs and I am quite happy to see that quality.

My adventure with the Heir 4.AI was a major waste of money and time, so I took my time in order to avoid another failure.

I have to confess that I must have disturbed some very kind members here with my questions (my apologies for that :tongue_smile: Barra, Average_Joe, Tupac, Project86 and thank you for the help ).

 

My first impressions are very positive, after an hour of use.

During the first minutes, I was not really impressed, so I put some bassy songs... and I began to smile: the bass was there, strong, already extended, the texture was also good.

A lot of details at the same time, seemingly in a lot of space.

Indeed the sound is clear, but I was expecting more brightness, with much more offensive treble but that is not what I heard.

 

I need more time with them now :L3000:

 

 

Thanks for sharing your impressions and I am glad you like them.  Keep us updated as time goes on.

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