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post #2611 of 3252
That's just how the E9K is.

And yes, it's very similar to the 650 with the differences you mentioned. My impressions were basically the same as yours.
post #2612 of 3252

My Annies just arrived and I've been enjoying them thoroughly.  I tried using them with just the Xonar STX and it sounded good, but the volume was a bit limited.  Don't get me wrong, it's still plenty loud, but not enough to give me that "wow" factor. 

 

Chaining it with the E17 helped quite a lot, though.

 

I also bought the Objective 2 amp, which is currently chained to the STX, and this is my preferred setup for the time being because I can use the Xonar software to switch between 8ch and 2ch quite easily.  I haven't tried gaming with the E17.

 

I'm using the AUX cable that came with the E17 to chain the STX to the o2, but will replace that with a 3.5 to RCA.

post #2613 of 3252
You're doing something wrong if the STX isn't giving you enough volume. There is a volume adjustment somewhere that you probably have too low. The STX should be loud enough to bust the drivers in the Annie.

Check all your settings.
post #2614 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

You're doing something wrong if the STX isn't giving you enough volume. There is a volume adjustment somewhere that you probably have too low. The STX should be loud enough to bust the drivers in the Annie.

Check all your settings.

Thanks, I will check. Granted, this observation is based strictly on playing BF3 and I had the volume cranked all the way in game and in windows. Maybe something was awry at the time. I literally have a couple hours playing with the Annies so you're probably right that I missed something. Apologies for posting something misleading.
post #2615 of 3252
You weren't misleading. Glad that you posted that, so we can potentially keep you from buying something you may not even need.

Listen to music or something in stereo a d check if its still on the low side. I'm 99% certain something is off.

I don't have the STX nor do I know much of anything about soundcards, but I do know the STX has a pretty powerful amp, and shouldn't have any issues with the Annie.
post #2616 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

You weren't misleading. Glad that you posted that, so we can potentially keep you from buying something you may not even need.

Listen to music or something in stereo a d check if its still on the low side. I'm 99% certain something is off.

I don't have the STX nor do I know much of anything about soundcards, but I do know the STX has a pretty powerful amp, and shouldn't have any issues with the Annie.

I just want to post this quote from a few pages ago. Your thoughts?
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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

Have you ever heard about O2 amplifier? O2 is way cleaner and precise than ST(X) amplifier or E09(K) which is basically the same design. I have owned both, I know what I am talking about. You cannot expect wonders from soundcard's integrated amplifier (or from Fiio's E09), especially not in terms of current output.

Annies are low impedance current hungry headphones. Of course, damping factor of 7 or so is not bad but for a total control of the headphones' drivers, you definitely need as low output impedance as possible. STX is not good enough in terms of current, and not even completely suitable in terms of impedance match. Once again, STX or E09K are ONLY suitable for high impedance headphones which don't require current but voltage.

Both O2 and Magni will work better... Both cost around 100USD. That said, I would invest few dollars extra into better adapter for O2 plus went for 1x gain, to get the very best performance.

I understand that you can have a different opinion... But please, back up your point of view somehow! Loudness is not equal quality...
post #2617 of 3252
People put too much stock on technicalities, and not with what they actually hear. They look at the specs, and the bias kicks in. The Annies sounded fine off the E9K, and I'm sure theyd sound fine on the STX. Either way, the STX would have enough power for the Annie to at least drive them loudly.. Whatever issue you're having, it has nothing to due with the impedance, as you're not even getting loud levels.

The 70x drivers aren't affected by impedance as much as other dynamic drivers. They behave much like planars, in that their sound isn't affected as much, regardless of impedance.

Pretty sure whatever you're doing to attach an external amp to the STX would impact the sound negatively more than the STX alone. Double amping is last resort, and I only use it when I'm lacking juice. The STX doesn't. As far as connecting to the STX's line out, I believe you lose Dolby Headphone capabilities if you do that

Sorry for typos. I hate touch screens.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/26/13 at 3:09am
post #2618 of 3252
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Originally Posted by CFGamescape View Post

My Annies just arrived and I've been enjoying them thoroughly.  I tried using them with just the Xonar STX and it sounded good, but the volume was a bit limited.  Don't get me wrong, it's still plenty loud, but not enough to give me that "wow" factor. 

 

Chaining it with the E17 helped quite a lot, though.

 

I also bought the Objective 2 amp, which is currently chained to the STX, and this is my preferred setup for the time being because I can use the Xonar software to switch between 8ch and 2ch quite easily.  I haven't tried gaming with the E17.

 

I'm using the AUX cable that came with the E17 to chain the STX to the o2, but will replace that with a 3.5 to RCA.

 

On the Asus Xonar Control in the main screen . You can see :

 

samplerate :

Analogue out :

spdif out :

 

 

On analogue out choose headphone and setup the gain with the little "hammer"

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_xonar_essence_stx_soundcard_review,4.html

 

(the default low gain setting is peraphs not enough for you , as it's no gain at all ,the ohm rating is just indicative)


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 5/26/13 at 4:05am
post #2619 of 3252
Thank you, Havoc. I hope that clears his low volume issue
post #2620 of 3252

About time someone said this! I'm tired of people whining about the Fiio E9's 10 (or 33) ohm impedance output, as if it'd ruin the K702's sound. Yet they haven't even tried that combination.

 

The E9 sounds just fine with all K702 variations. I even prefer it to even the Magni for just the Q701 or K702 I think.

 

BTW I tried the Q701 once with an old receiver with a 330ohm impedance output. No change at all. Sounded perfect. Even my DJ100 does fine with that and doesn't change a bit. It's 38 ohm. Of course my KRKs sounded awful.

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The 70x drivers aren't affected by impedance as much as other dynamic drivers. They behave much like planars, in that their sound isn't affected as much, regardless of impedance.

 
post #2621 of 3252

Yea, I've been running the Annies off the e17/e09k for the last 2 days, and i'm not finding any lack of volume... on high gain... I can't even turn these past 11 o'clock without discomfort. Tried with low gain... but I think i prefer the extra bit of warmth and weight in the bass from high gain.
 

post #2622 of 3252
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

People put too much stock on technicalities, and not with what they actually hear. They look at the specs, and the bias kicks in. The Annies sounded fine off the E9K, and I'm sure theyd sound fine on the STX. Either way, the STX would have enough power for the Annie to at least drive them loudly.. Whatever issue you're having, it has nothing to due with the impedance, as you're not even getting loud levels.

The 70x drivers aren't affected by impedance as much as other dynamic drivers. They behave much like planars, in that their sound isn't affected as much, regardless of impedance.

Pretty sure whatever you're doing to attach an external amp to the STX would impact the sound negatively more than the STX alone. Double amping is last resort, and I only use it when I'm lacking juice. The STX doesn't. As far as connecting to the STX's line out, I believe you lose Dolby Headphone capabilities if you do that

Sorry for typos. I hate touch screens.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post

 

On the Asus Xonar Control in the main screen . You can see :

 

samplerate :

Analogue out :

spdif out :

 

 

On analogue out choose headphone and setup the gain with the little "hammer"

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_xonar_essence_stx_soundcard_review,4.html

 

(the default low gain setting is peraphs not enough for you , as it's no gain at all ,the ohm rating is just indicative)

Thank you, both.  Yes, the rather obvious option of increasing the gain went over my head.  Issued resolved!

 

I suppose I can use my o2 at work or somewhere more useful than chained to my STX.

post #2623 of 3252
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

Trust me when I tell you the K1000 are much closer to the HD800's level than the K702 65.

 

I'll never trust you!

post #2624 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post

I'll never trust you!
Aha, don't take it literally; but the akg's best phones remain by far and large the K1000 and the K3003 to me.
post #2625 of 3252
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post


Aha, don't take it literally; but the akg's best phones remain by far and large the K1000 and the K3003 to me.

 

Ummm... shouldn't we expect that given the huge difference in price??? tongue_smile.gif

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