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post #2476 of 3294

569euro is way overpriced for the Annies.  I am not sure what competing headphones there are at that price, but I feel the Annies are fairly priced at $375.  I would also look into the DT 990 Premium if they are quite a bit cheaper then the Annies.  I was thinking about getting those before deciding on the Annies.


Edited by BassMan X - 5/8/13 at 12:30pm
post #2477 of 3294
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Originally Posted by grandpatzer View Post

Thanks for the good post.

 

"Fun" to me propably would be getting sucked into a game or movie.

When I listen to music it's usually eminem and propably I prefer havin good amount of bass.

Also "feeling" bullets and explosions is something that I prefer.

Based on the above I think closed headphones are the best, however for competitive gaming they say open headphones is the way to go.

 

Generally I don't like paying for a product if it's overpriced, propably won't buy the K702annie at 569euro's.

I'm generally spending 80% on gaming and 20% on movies/tv shows.

Because I mainly do gaming and positional sound is important(footsteps & knowing where enemy is) I looked at this guide:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-4-30-13-koss-esp-950-added

 

I based my list of that guide, even though I exclusively game on PC (that link is for console gaming).

 

The Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250ohm is also cheap (cheaper then Sennheiser PC360).

According the link above it got Fun: 9 and Competitive: 8.

 

Ultimately because I do game alot and want every edge in competitive gaming I propably should buy PC360/AD700/K701/Q701/K702/702annie (for competitive they all got 9.5 or better).

 

Considering I never tried anything Hi Fi earphones before I could aswell just order Sennheiser PC360 and call it a day :D

I was seriously considering PC350 but I read so many bad things it fell out of buying list.

I have been on a quest to find some headphones that are balanced in the fun/competitive areas and so far have tried the AKG Q701 and the Beyerdynamic DT990 250. Both of these I have tested with a Fiio E17 amp and I use a Astro Mixamp for gaming. 

 

AKG Q701- It didnt take much listening to realize this is a truly special headphone. The sound signature is slightly warm but very balanced with incredible instrumental separation and a massively euphoric soundstage that will place instruments all around you creating a very "orchestraic" experience. With gaming this results in incredible positioning/directional accuracy and detail retrieval resulting in a very analytical feeling sound signature/experience. While the soundstage is enormous and airy, it dies off in the sub bass department very noticeably. It simply with not "thump, thwack, boom, etc." like the DT990 will. This for me, as petty as it may sound, was enough to try something else as the lack of bass simply ruined the immersion factor for me with games. Explosions were analyzed and not in my face like I wanted them to be, shotgun shots sounded like pellet bursts and not a satisfying boom like you want them to be. (even though they technically are pellet bursts). All in all I just could not be happy with the lack of sub bass for a set of gaming cans. However, these headphones have such a special sound when it comes to music that I may one day return to them. Even for rock they were awesome. I played some Deadmau5 type stuff and while they bass was certainly present, it just was as impactful as I wanted it to be. EQ'ing in more bass starts to muddy the mids and mess with the soundstage/signature too much so that is was not much of an option either.

 

DT 990- Ahhh, theres the bass Ive been looking for. You will immediately notice these cans are quite pronounced in the bass and treble department. But damn is the bass incredible; so responsive, powerful, immersive and welcoming. It does not overwhelm the soundstage but it does make the mids feel recessed in comparison. The treble is certainly bright and MILDLY fatiguing but you can effectively EQ that down without messing with the rest of the sound. The soundstage is quite large though certainly smaller than the Q701s. The positional/directional accuracy is great but also a small step below the Q701s as it does not clearly separate each direction out as well. For example you will have a harder time telling if something is coming from back right or straight back as the separation is not quite as clear as it is with the Q701s. For competitive gaming this is not a huge loss because in Dolby Surround you will still have great awareness. Unless you are a VERY competitive gamer (league play) you shouldnt be too concerned. What these cans do bring to the table is immersion and it is mostly due to the deep sub bass and warm, in your face treble. Explosions, gun shots, electronic sounds, etc. are all awesome sounding and well realized/felt with the DT 990. Rap music/electronic etc. all sound great. They do well with rock as well. However, they do not have the massively euphoric soundstage (sound space really) that the Q701s do. I found myself getting lost in the music with the Q701s much more than with the DT990s which are more fatiguing overall.

 

One last part about the comfort. I found the Q701s to have a neat suspension design for the headband but it did start to dig in on the crown of my head and become uncomfortable after an hour or so. The DT990 pro that I have are quite comfortable by comparison. Some say they are clamply although I dont think so and if they are for you just stretch them out a bit. Both are constructed very well too. 

 

For gaming, Id go with the DT 990 with what you describe as your preferences. Then grab a clip on mic of some sort and call it a day! 

post #2478 of 3294

Apparently $375 seems to be the consensus "value" for the K702 AE...just thought I'd chime in with my opinion.

 

The K702 AE and DT880/600 are my favorite headphones under $500 (with the disclaimer that I haven't heard the HD600 or HE-400).  For that reason, I think I'd probably be willing to pay up to $500 for either of these.

 

It's like RustA said -- it's not like the flagships are 15x better than these "mid-fi" headphones.  I probably wouldn't even call them 2x better.  Value is a very difficult thing to judge and ultimately depends on the buyer.  The best opinion I can offer is that I think the K702 AE is very competitive in its price class...but to be realistic, I don't think it's on par with the HD800 / T1 / HE-6 / LCD-3.

post #2479 of 3294
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Originally Posted by Sophonax View Post

 

It's like RustA said -- it's not like the flagships are 15x better than these "mid-fi" headphones.  I probably wouldn't even call them 2x better.  Value is a very difficult thing to judge and ultimately depends on the buyer.  The best opinion I can offer is that I think the K702 AE is very competitive in its price class...but to be realistic, I don't think it's on par with the HD800 / T1 / HE-6 / LCD-3.

 

I think that is an excellent point, and one many people asking for advice don't get. I couldn't count how many times a new member might say something like "Is the LCD-2 3X better than the HD650?". It comes down to value, and to some people, yes it is. 

 

I also, agree with your conclusions there. It's a mid-tier can. 

post #2480 of 3294
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

I think that is an excellent point, and one many people asking for advice don't get. I couldn't count how many times a new member might say something like "Is the LCD-2 3X better than the HD650?". It comes down to value, and to some people, yes it is. 

 

I also, agree with your conclusions there. It's a mid-tier can. 

 

Yeah, it goes back to that age old questions of which can do you spend good money on until you start seeing drastically diminishing returns. For a lot of people, it's going to be that $300-500 range. There's a good chance (and knowing it's all a very personal thing) that the Annie could be that can for a decent amount of people.

post #2481 of 3294
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Originally Posted by BassMan X View Post

569euro is way overpriced for the Annies.  I am not sure what competing headphones there are at that price, but I feel the Annies are fairly priced at $375.  I would also look into the DT 990 Premium if they are quite a bit cheaper then the Annies.  I was thinking about getting those before deciding on the Annies.


What about the Senns hd600, also priced above 350$ ?


Edited by musiclife - 5/15/13 at 12:11pm
post #2482 of 3294
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What about the Senns hd600, also priced above 350$ ?

In Sweden the HD600 are slightly below Q701 in price, I'm assuming the Sennheiser are more aggresively prices in Sweden compared to AKG which are very expensive.

post #2483 of 3294
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What about the Senns hd600, also priced above 350$ ?

Makes it an even harder decision when they're priced like this.

post #2484 of 3294
It's happened again, people. Razordogaudio.com has the K702 65th Anniversary Edition on sale for $349 through the end of May with coupon code RAZORDOG65TH. Go get.
post #2485 of 3294
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

It's happened again, people. Razordogaudio.com has the K702 65th Anniversary Edition on sale for $349 through the end of May with coupon code RAZORDOG65TH. Go get.

 

Yeah or wait for several months until Razordog will offer k712 for the same price using the code RAZORDOGPRO... tongue.gif

 

I am personally not going to purchase anything until K712 Pro come out and show what they have to offer.

post #2486 of 3294
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Originally Posted by RustA View PostYeah or wait for several months until Razordog will offer k712 for the same price using the code RAZORDOGPRO... tongue.gif

 

I am personally not going to purchase anything until K712 Pro come out and show what they have to offer.

Indeed. I'm astonished that people are still asking for $320+ on the K702-65th second-hand...

post #2487 of 3294

I received my k702 Annies from Razordog this past Tuesday.  My only comment is that they sound beautiful, and I couldn't be happier with them.
 

post #2488 of 3294
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

I think that is an excellent point, and one many people asking for advice don't get. I couldn't count how many times a new member might say something like "Is the LCD-2 3X better than the HD650?". It comes down to value, and to some people, yes it is. 

 

I also, agree with your conclusions there. It's a mid-tier can. 

I agree with you on this but I've been following this thread for a while, owned and then sold the 65th and I don't think anyone ever claimed it to be on a similar level to any of the top flagships, aside from MLE preferring it to the LCD-2.  Yes, I'm sure there was some general impression of hype in this thread but I think the accusations of hype have been somewhat overblown here.  

 

And I myself have fallen victim to "hype train" in the past as well.  Case in point, going from the K701 to LCD-2 R1 blew me away, but in retrospect I feel it was way over-hyped, at least for the qualities that I value in headphones.  Getting to hear the T1 got me to sell my LCD-2 almost immediately.  And even then, moved to HE-6, then dropping back to mid tier phones a bit, then to HD800 and am settled on it for a while at least.  Of the under $1000 phones I've owned, the one that comes the closest to that level to me, is AD2000X, though sacrificing some bass and soundstage.

 

It all depends really on what qualities you value in headphones.  For people who have little value for soundstage but like drive and attack for instance, Grado's may be amazing for them.  Likewise bass for LCD-2's, or HD800's for all-around performance.  If you value a well rounded, non-offensive headphone around the price of the K702 65th, it will come off as an awesome headphone for the price.  The key is trying to evaluate the qualities that others value, and relating it to your own.

 

So that being said, the K702 65th is a mid tier can but is very solid for the price (for what I value) and could satisfy many people but probably won't "blow away" experienced headphone enthusiasts.

post #2489 of 3294

Great post, thanks!

post #2490 of 3294

JWahl sums it up completely.

 

How can anyone try to compare the K702's, headphones available for sub-$400, to headphones three times as much?  I read all the reviews and I don't think that they did.

I believe, in this thread, it was stated they sounded a little fuller compared to the k701, and standard K702's.  Whether that is because of the earpads. hand picked transducers, or pixie dust, I don't really care.  They sound just great to me, and I like the sound better than the sound that the HD-600s that they replaced.  The clearer HF is more suited to my taste.  I like to have comfort too, and they afford more of that for me.  Since so much of this involves personal taste then let me add that I like the color too.
 

These will tide me over till I get a Beyer T1 or HD-800.

 

Another post down, and before long they might let me do something about my avatar.....  Ha Ha

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