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Originally Posted by Asr View Post

Hrmm so I just got semi-interested in this headphone since it was mentioned a lot in the new K712 thread. How different-sounding is it compared to the old K701 or K702? I can't believe there are people saying they think it's better than the HE-400, or LCD-2 even - wow, seriously? The "Annie" is really that good? I'm a little skeptical only because I previously owned both the K701 and K702 which I didn't think were that good, and I heard them out of above-average amps & sources too (mostly HeadAmp & various tube amps and Arcam-level or better CDPs).

 

Ummm  summary of this giant thread:

 

K702 65th anniversary is the Q701 with different set of pads (as far as sound goes). Looks like the pads are softer and may create a steeper angle interface with the ear both of which increase bass and midrange. 

post #2237 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Salvatore View Post

 

Why don't you post this to your sales thread. Seems like a decent marketing speech :D

 

 

This thread has anniversary fanboys like me, haters and HD800 fanboys. Some people just get some weird satisfaction by trolling perfectly good products. Also too much HD800 talk in here imo.

 

 

Ha... 

 

Yes, it's true and it's good that we all like different things.  Sorry to rant negatively but the comparisons and the stances taken put my back up.  Didn't intend it as trolling but sometimes there needs to be a little balance.  This thread got me to buy these and it seems that posting negative results is a little shunned and one sided.   I think it would be trolling if this were and "Appreciation" thread, not just an open thread of impressions.  

 

I'm happy for you that you like them. They may not be for me but if they are for you then fill yer boots, as they say.

 

(for the record, I'm no HD800 fanboy)


Edited by SBranson - 4/12/13 at 1:20am
post #2238 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Im a fanboy, but I can see when someone is just blatantly trolling.

1. Comparing a $400 headphone to a headphone worth 3x as much
2. Using them for a few minutes, automatically coming with the conclusion that it's crap
3. Comparing a warm/dark headphone with a neutral to bright headphone, especially withou giving himself time to adjust to the tonality difference. It's common sense that going from a dark to bright headphone and vice versa is a stupid mistake when you don't give yourself time to adjust.

 

Didn't see this.

 

1. I wasn't trolling and I didn't start the Stupid HD800 comparisons, they just were that, Stupid and I felt I had to point it out.

 

2. I don't like them.  I can't hear things I know I should hear and I want to hear.  Just clean details of voices and instruments.  I've listened to a lot of audio products and play several instruments and coloration is coloration no matter how long I take to adjust.    Plain and simple is that I don't like them and I don't think that my reasons are invalid. 

 

3. I didn't start the comparison, just got fed up with some of the responses.  

 

Like I said, if you like them great.  This is not an "appreciation" thread by title so why shouldn't it contain different impressions?  Perhaps my language was a little too emotive in my first comments and again for that I apologize.

 

I have added this edit to my original post that may be more "subjectively objective"

 

(edit** In the interest of quelling the perception of my post as trolling I think I should have said...  

 

I find that they lack clarity in most registers in comparison to the Q701s.  It's as if some harmonics are overly tamed and I am left feeling like the sound is a little unnatural and suppressed.  If this is what "smooth" means then I guess that's not my taste.  I tend to listen to small ensemble classical and female vocal type stuff but was looking for an all rounder but feel that the much improved bass response over the Q701s is at a sacrifice to clarity of the Qs.

 

My comment about "more than a few minutes" was hyperbole.  I have several tried and true tracks that I use and found that I couldn't accept their presentation for my tastes and preferences)


Edited by SBranson - 4/12/13 at 2:05am
post #2239 of 3282
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Originally Posted by SBranson View Post

Ha... 

 

Yes, it's true and it's good that we all like different things.  Sorry to rant negatively but the comparisons and the stances taken put my back up.  Didn't intend it as trolling but sometimes there needs to be a little balance.  This thread got me to buy these and it seems that posting negative results is a little shunned and one sided.   I think it would be trolling if this were and "Appreciation" thread, not just an open thread of impressions.  

 

I'm happy for you that you like them. They may not be for me but if they are for you then fill yer boots, as they say.

 

(for the record, I'm no HD800 fanboy)

 

Yes I understand that from hype comes high expectations which can ultimately lead to massive let downs. What I've been always saying, however, is that annies are great headphones for those who really wanted to like the K/Q70X, but were turn off by the headband and/or the harsh treble as compared to the bass/warmness. We all like different things indeed, but I honestly think these are the most balanced AKG cans I've listened. Who knows what my opinion would be if I've gotten those Q's and got used to their signature? But at the time of auditioning I found anniversaries to be the best option for me both sound and comfort wise.

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Damn it, I caved.  Just bought the 65th an hour ago.  Excited to compare it with my other cans!

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If you like your K550 and HD650 you won't be disappointed with these.

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I'm interested in seeing the comparison to the HE500 which I feel they might be most comparable to in tonality, just based off what I've gathered on here. I feel that at the end, it will be a cheaper alternative to the HE500, not being as thick and organic, but having similarities. That's how I felt when I compared it to the LCD2 which is known to be even thicker sounding than the HE500.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/12/13 at 3:18am
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In my experience the T1 are the closest one to the 702s, as well the FR graph of the Q model looks very close to the T1 graph.

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You are not alone here, this is your opinion and came directly to the point, as it should be, so, your apologies, while very kind of you, not necessary need it, imo.

 

THX

 

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Originally Posted by SBranson View Post

 

Didn't see this.

 

1. I wasn't trolling and I didn't start the Stupid HD800 comparisons, they just were that, Stupid and I felt I had to point it out.

 

2. I don't like them.  I can't hear things I know I should hear and I want to hear.  Just clean details of voices and instruments.  I've listened to a lot of audio products and play several instruments and coloration is coloration no matter how long I take to adjust.    Plain and simple is that I don't like them and I don't think that my reasons are invalid. 

 

3. I didn't start the comparison, just got fed up with some of the responses.  

 

Like I said, if you like them great.  This is not an "appreciation" thread by title so why shouldn't it contain different impressions?  Perhaps my language was a little too emotive in my first comments and again for that I apologize.

 

I have added this edit to my original post that may be more "subjectively objective"

 

(edit** In the interest of quelling the perception of my post as trolling I think I should have said...  

 

I find that they lack clarity in most registers in comparison to the Q701s.  It's as if some harmonics are overly tamed and I am left feeling like the sound is a little unnatural and suppressed.  If this is what "smooth" means then I guess that's not my taste.  I tend to listen to small ensemble classical and female vocal type stuff but was looking for an all rounder but feel that the much improved bass response over the Q701s is at a sacrifice to clarity of the Qs.

 

My comment about "more than a few minutes" was hyperbole.  I have several tried and true tracks that I use and found that I couldn't accept their presentation for my tastes and preferences)

post #2245 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post

In my experience the T1 are the closest one to the 702s, as well the FR graph of the Q model looks very close to the T1 graph.

Annie =/= Q701

That frequency response graph is useless as it's not the Annie's.
post #2246 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Annie =/= Q701

That frequency response graph is useless as it's not the Annie's.

 

People say it's the same headphone, with slightly polished pads... Annie = Q701 then. Just change the pads (or boost bass with EQ), you're done, the same K70x headphone AKG is being trolling us with for... 20 years or so? rolleyes.gif

post #2247 of 3282
Dude, are you going back to this?

The PADS alter the sound significantly. Have you even read this thread? Annie = memory foam pads = 3db bass boost, extra warmth+smoothness. I don't understand why you insist on saying they are the same, when you clearly have not heard them.

YES, the Annie uses the same drivers, HOWEVER, it's the pads that alter the sound. You can't go off the Q701 graphs which aren't done with the Annie pads. That difference in sound makes using the Q701 graphs pointless as it's not the same sound, at all. It's basically like saying the HD600 and HD650 are the same headphone.



If you think pads don't alter sound significantly, I suggest you start looking at Mad Dog, Denons with Lawton, J$, Hifiman pleather, leather, velour, and all these other pad swapping threads that consistently prove how much a headphone can change in sound just with a simple pad swap.

Now, once you FINALLY listened to the Annie or at least used the new pads with the standard AKGs, THEN you can mouth off all you want. Until then, all you're doing is beating an old assumption to the ground. A false assumption at that.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/12/13 at 4:50am
post #2248 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Dude, are you going back to this?

The PADS alter the sound significantly. Have you even read this thread? Annie = memory foam pads = 3db bass boost, extra warmth+smoothness. I don't understand why you insist on saying they are the same, when you clearly have not heard them.

YES, the Annie uses the same drivers, HOWEVER, it's the pads that alter the sound. You can't go off the Q701 graphs which aren't done with the Annie pads. That difference in sound makes using the Q701 graphs pointless as it's not the same sound, at all. It's basically like saying the HD600 and HD650 are the same headphone.



If you think pads don't alter sound significantly, I suggest you start looking at Mad Dog, Denons with Lawton, J$, Hifiman pleather, leather, velour, and all these other pad swapping threads that consistently prove how much a headphone can change in sound just with a simple pad swap.

Now, once you FINALLY listened to the Annie or at least used the new pads with the standard AKGs, THEN you can mouth off all you want. Until then, all you're doing is beating an old assumption to the ground. A false assumption at that.

 

LOL... Your defense of AKG' anniversary headphone is for sure admirable! That said, you misunderstood my post. Nevermind, I agree with you, I was just joking a little bit. I understand that pads can affect FR and improve ringing etc.

 

I think the biggest mystery surrounding Annies is not how good they are in comparison to ordinary K70x but why you sold the headphone if you are constantly praising them as the best headphone that beats even LCD-2 in many if not most categories. wink.gif

post #2249 of 3282
Not that I have to repeat myself yet again, but I sold them because I enjoyed the bass on the LCD2 more, which caters better to my genres of music. That's basically it. Is that hard to understand? I sure hope not.
post #2250 of 3282

lol, I was talking about the original K-702! I like the sound of the 702s the way it is... and I'm not that curious to change their sound/or pads, especially not after Blackmore impression .
 

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