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post #1831 of 3252
That sounds about right. Like a 3db bass boost. It basically makes the bass meet up with the mids. Listening to the Q701 now, the bass sounds similar to the Annie (heard, not felt), but is pushed back in the mix a few virtual rows back. The Annie fixes that deficiency.

Of course, if you don't listen to bass-dependent tracks, the Annie and Q701 sound more alike than different. It's in the bass where the differences are obvious.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/9/13 at 8:16am
post #1832 of 3252

I'm not really sure what you would consider bass dependent tracks, but I do like my bass to be in line with the rest of the sound for all of my music. The 2db bass boost on the E17 obviously boosts the bass all the way down to the bottom, but it also very slightly warms up mid-bass and lower mids as well. I know 2db isn't a huge change, but for my tastes it's just right.

 

I think I still prefer my Q701 to my new self modded T50rp. The T50rp does indeed sound great, but I just keep coming back to the Q701. Maybe it's the big airy soundstage that keeps pulling me back. Everybody talks so highly of the Fostex, and for good reason, but I still think I prefer my Q701.

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

That sounds about right. Like a 3db bass boost. It basically makes the bass meet up with the mids. Listening to the Q701 now, the bass sounds similar to the Annie (heard, not felt), but is pushed back in the mix a few virtual rows back. The Annie fixes that deficiency.

Of course, if you don't listen to bass-dependent tracks, the Annie and Q701 sound more alike than different. It's in the bass where the differences are obvious.
post #1833 of 3252
Well, I mean the difference isn't vast if a song doesn't really bear importance to bass. It literally is the bass that sets the two apart. Since that bass does warm up the tonal balance of the Annie a smidge next to the Q701, it makes it not as airy and open. So it's not just free bass. The Q701 still has the upperhand in clarity of notes and air due to less warmth and bass to detract from the rest of the frequencies.

If that were a real detriment though, people would hate the LCD2 which is much warmer and much less open/airy than the Annie.

Side by side, the Annie sounds clearer than the LCD2 due to it not being as warm, so in the same effect, the Q701 sounds clearer than the Annie as it's even less warmer.
post #1834 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Well, I mean the difference isn't vast if a song doesn't really bear importance to bass. It literally is the bass that sets the two apart. Since that bass does warm up the tonal balance of the Annie a smidge next to the Q701, it makes it not as airy and open. So it's not just free bass. The Q701 still has the upperhand in clarity of notes and air due to less warmth and bass to detract from the rest of the frequencies.

If that were a real detriment though, people would hate the LCD2 which is much warmer and much less open/airy than the Annie.

Side by side, the Annie sounds clearer than the LCD2 due to it not being as warm, so in the same effect, the Q701 sounds clearer than the Annie as it's even less warmer.

 

Gotcha. I'll stick with my Q701 and be happy. 

post #1835 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I prefer the HD650 over the Q701. I prefer the Annie over the HD650. The Annie is like a hybrid between the two headphones, which I love. More meat and body than the Q701, more energy and air than the HD650.

 

 

Yup...  This is why the Q701s and the 650s are now sold..

post #1836 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Well, I mean the difference isn't vast if a song doesn't really bear importance to bass. It literally is the bass that sets the two apart. Since that bass does warm up the tonal balance of the Annie a smidge next to the Q701, it makes it not as airy and open. So it's not just free bass. The Q701 still has the upperhand in clarity of notes and air due to less warmth and bass to detract from the rest of the frequencies.
 

 

It's not just bass that sets them apart, the whole spectrum (bass, mids, and treble) is shifted towards being warmer.  The bass isn't causing the warmer tonal balance, the warmer tonal balance is tongue.gif

 

Even if you're listening to something that doesn't rely on bass as much (classical, whatever) they still sound darker and less airy as the rest of the frequencies are warmer too.  The bass isn't solely responsible from detracting from the air.  If you're listening to a purely airy passage just by itself you will notice the same darker sound whether or not there is any bass going on.

 

When I first listened to them I noticed the whole spectrum being shifted first, before I noticed noticed bass differences.  Everything gets a warm boost, including the bass, although I do think the memory foam does seal in the bass some and perhaps give it a little extra boost over the other frequencies.

 

If it was just the bass, they would sound like Q701s with some bass boost applied.  But they don't, and everything gets a weight/body boost (< sounds like a shampoo commercial rolleyes.gif).  If that's what you're looking for, they are great.


Edited by chicolom - 3/9/13 at 1:36pm
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Edited by Cristello - 9/5/13 at 9:53am
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I think my 65th pads must have shipped because they charged me for them. It's weird because the same day Frank said they were on the way to the USA (to AKG USA) and would ship to me in 3 weeks confused_face_2.gif

 

BTW I also got the Modi and like it a bit more than the ODAC, but they're basically the same sounding despite some minor differences i've found.

 

Most likely it will come down to preferences I guess on which is best. ODAC does sound a bit clearer. Like 1% clearer!

 

The mids of MY modi almost sound relaxed compared to those of the ODAC. Yet they both measure flat. Weird right? normal_smile%20.gif

 

I haven't tried the Modi with the Q701 yet, so this post is all worthless! I'll know something next week.

 

The difference between the HRT MSII and ODAC is much greater believe it or not..

 

It'll be nice having some 65th pads, the Q701 and HD-650! Who knows..maybe i'll love the upgraded pads on my Q701.

I'm actually curious what they do to my K400.

post #1839 of 3252

You pretty much described what I'm hearing.  

I wish it was the Q's with a hint more bass.  Sadly these remind me of the Hd650 with more of a sound stage.  I'm not too fond of the 650.  They are good cans but not my taste.  I'll keep burning the Annies.  

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It's not just bass that sets them apart, the whole spectrum (bass, mids, and treble) is shifted towards being warmer.  The bass isn't causing the warmer tonal balance, the warmer tonal balance is tongue.gif

 

Even if you're listening to something that doesn't rely on bass as much (classical, whatever) they still sound darker and less airy as the rest of the frequencies are warmer too.  The bass isn't solely responsible from detracting from the air.  If you're listening to a purely airy passage just by itself you will notice the same darker sound whether or not there is any bass going on.

 

When I first listened to them I noticed the whole spectrum being shifted first, before I noticed noticed bass differences.  Everything gets a warm boost, including the bass, although I do think the memory foam does seal in the bass some and perhaps give it a little extra boost over the other frequencies.

 

If it was just the bass, they would sound like Q701s with some bass boost applied.  But they don't, and everything gets a weight/body boost (< sounds like a shampoo commercial rolleyes.gif).  If that's what you're looking for, they are great.

post #1840 of 3252
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Gotcha. I'll stick with my Q701 and be happy. 


Do you have the Quincy Jones edition? Just wondering if the changes are only cosmetic


Edited by musiclife - 3/16/13 at 7:18pm
post #1841 of 3252

"Do you have the Quincy Jones edition? Just wondering if the changes are only cosmetic?"

 

That's what the 'Q' stands for.
 

post #1842 of 3252
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

I think my 65th pads must have shipped because they charged me for them. It's weird because the same day Frank said they were on the way to the USA (to AKG USA) and would ship to me in 3 weeks confused_face_2.gif

BTW I also got the Modi and like it a bit more than the ODAC, but they're basically the same sounding despite some minor differences i've found.

Most likely it will come down to preferences I guess on which is best. ODAC does sound a bit clearer. Like 1% clearer!
I have many times had hard time to understand your posts. They are very often full of strange contradictions. But thats probably my problem. Can you at least explain your using of percentage measures with sound? How can something sound 1% clearer? How do you measure that? Or are you just trying to explain that the difference is minimal?
Edited by muxamed - 3/10/13 at 1:26am
post #1843 of 3252

I'd agree that their overall sound across all frequencies is warmer than the K702.  But I'm no expert.

 

I'm not sure if it's my brain or ears adjusting to the new set, or that they are electrically and mechanically burning-in, but after the third day I believe that I'm hearing a bigger soundstage as well as the higher trebles becoming more apparent.  Noticed sibilance in Enya's 'Marble Halls' that I didn't hear on the 1st day.  Also the panning samples in Boards of Canada's 'Julie and Candy' are clearer to track in space and the intentional samples of the short bursts of record static panned hard left and right stick out a bit more.

 

Also David Bowie's 'Space Oddity' with it's strangely recorded stereo image is actually listenable on the K702.65.  It was hard to listen to that song on the K702.

 

Classical sounded better to me on the regular K702.  Heavily distorted electric guitars sound quite a bit better to me on the K702.65.

 

Not a big fan of the K702.65 earcups, they are shallower, so my ears slightly touch the drivers.  Headband is considerably more comfortable though.  Going to order the Q701/K702 earcups.

post #1844 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Sequencer1 View Post

I'd agree that their overall sound across all frequencies is warmer than the K702.  But I'm no expert.

 

I'm not sure if it's my brain or ears adjusting to the new set, or that they are electrically and mechanically burning-in, but after the third day I believe that I'm hearing a bigger soundstage as well as the higher trebles becoming more apparent.  Noticed sibilance in Enya's 'Marble Halls' that I didn't hear on the 1st day.  Also the panning samples in Boards of Canada's 'Julie and Candy' are clearer to track in space and the intentional samples of the short bursts of record static panned hard left and right stick out a bit more.

 

Also David Bowie's 'Space Oddity' with it's strangely recorded stereo image is actually listenable on the K702.65.  It was hard to listen to that song on the K702.

 

Classical sounded better to me on the regular K702.  Heavily distorted electric guitars sound quite a bit better to me on the K702.65.

 

Not a big fan of the K702.65 earcups, they are shallower, so my ears slightly touch the drivers.  Headband is considerably more comfortable though.  Going to order the Q701/K702 earcups.

 

This how I remember my burn in process, the sound open up all over the spectrum including the sound stage and the sound separation.

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I went ahead and consolidated my "Q701 Vs. K702 Anniversary" thoughts into a review-style post.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/655082/akg-q701-vs-akg-k702-65th-anniversary-comparison-review

 

It may be a bit over-kill for what is essentially a pad-mod, but here you go:

 

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AKG Q701 Vs. AKG K702 65th Anniversary | Comparison & Review

 

 

Quick comparison

 

  • Q701: Faster sounding, lighter/thinner, airier. Soundstage is more laid-back sounding with smaller individual instruments

Soundstage has smaller individual instruments with a bit more separation between them as a result, and the instruments are lighter and "floatier." This gives the presentation of a more laid-back sound.

 

  • K702 65th Anniversary: Lusher, "musical", more body, smoother, darker, less air, blacker background.

Soundstage has larger individual instruments with bit less separation between them as a result, and the instruments are weightier and more grounded. This gives the presentation of a more forward sound.

 

 

From my testing I've determined that the sound differences between the two headphones can be attributed to the pads. The actual sound of the underlying headphones and drivers themselves are the same. If you compare both the Q701 and K702 anniversary while they are both wearing the same type of pads, they essentially sound identical. So this review is mainly a review of the two sets of pads, and how they modify the sound...

 

 

 

Build

 

  • Essentially the build is identical to the Q701 and other K70x. The main differences are the newly redesigned bump-less headband and the velour wrapped memory foam pads. The cable is also slightly thinner, surprisingly (try not to roll over it with your chair!). The rest are aesthetic color schemes differences.

 

 

Comfort

 

  • The smooth headband definitely improves the comfort over the old bump-band. Its simple math: 8 bumps are less comfortable than 0 bumps. If you don’t' have a lot of hair you may still want to add a pad for extra cushioning, but it's not as necessary as it was for the bump headband. Another potential benefit of the new headband is that it allows the headband to extend farther giving more space for larger heads.

 

  • The new pads are quite soft - noticeably softer than the firmer standard foam. They are also quicker to compress, so they should help for people that felt uneven pressure on their jawline from the firmer regular foam pads. They are definitely shallower than the standard pads, and they are NOT angled. The thinnest part of the angled pads is nearly the same thickness as the whole anniversary pad. I would personally prefer them slightly thicker, since they're already thinner than the standard pads and are simultaneously quicker to compress. A little bit thicker and they'd be perfect. Still I've worn them for extended listening sessions with no complaints and very minimal shifting/repositioning of the headphones during the sessions. Either AKG is still the most comfortable headphone I've personally worn.

 

 

 

Sound:

 

Bass

 

  • The Anniversary bass is fuller, weightier, has more body, and is more forward.

 

  • While entire sound spectrum of the anniversaries gets a shift towards the warmer, I think the memory foam does seal in the bass some and perhaps give it a little extra warm boost over the other frequencies.

 

  • The bass stays a little stronger into the lower sub-bass frequencies. It traps more of that bass and rumbles a little better as a result than the Q701s. On the Q701more of that lower bass escapes out of the pads I think.

 

  • The difference between the bass isn't huge, and certain frequencies of the bass (mid-bass) share much in common with the Q701s.

 

 

Mids

 

  • K702 anniversary mids are (again) smoother, weightier, and have more body.

 

  • Going back to the Q701, you do hear a little more sound coming out of the upper mids. I think this is because the Anniversaries more smoothly connect their lower mids to their upper mids then the Q701. When you go back to listen to the Q701, the upper mids are just a little more isolated (and thus emphasized-sounding) in comparison.

 

 

Treble

 

  • The anniversary treble is more smooth, polite, and forgiving - on the Q701 you can hear the breath of a voice or the bite of bow on a violin more clearly than with the anniversaries.

 

  • If you’re somebody who finds the Q701 treble a little bothersome and a little too bright, the anniversaries may be the perfect choice as they are slightly darker but not too much. If you’re someone who finds the Q701 treble perfect, you might find the anniversaries slightly darker than you'd prefer.

 

  • Q701s have more air, Anniversaries have a blacker background.

 

  • I mentioned that the entire sound spectrum is shifted towards being warmer, and this is true for the treble too. In other words, the warmer lower frequencies aren't causing the treble to sound warmer - the warmer treble itself is doing that!  If you're listening to a purely airy passage just by itself, you will notice the same darker sound - whether or not there is any bass or anything going on.

 

 

Soundstage

 

  • The actual soundstage size itself is similar between the two. The main differences between them are: the size of the individual sounds, the weight of those sounds, and the amount of separation in-between those individual sounds. These things end up affecting your impressions of the soundstage.

 

  • Initially the weightier sound of the Anniversary pads can throw off your judgment of the soundstage size. Once you get more acclimated to the anniversary sound, you can listen "through" the weight a little better to the sound positions behind them, and they sound like they are actually coming from a similar place in the soundstage as the Qs. The individual sounds themselves are just bigger sounds and more grounded, and they take up a little bit more space inside the soundstage. Because of this, the Q701 can still give off the impression of having a little roomier soundstage - the sounds themselves are a little smaller and have more "personal space" around them in the soundstage. This extra space around the sounds gives them more distinct separation from each other. Smaller sounds themselves tend to sound farther away too. The anniversary sounds are bigger so less free space in-between the sounds. Having bigger sounds in the same space (soundstage size) means you don't quite get as clear a separation with them as on the Q701- sounds might start bumping into to each other sometimes.

 

  • The bigger instruments themselves are a cool effect though. "Bigger sound" as they say. Bigger sounding instruments also usually means a slightly taller soundstage, and that's what I hear with the anniversaries.

 

  • The Q701s have more air in between sounds, where the anniversaries have a darker, blacker background. I think that air may give a little greater impression of space and distance in-between sounds than the blacker background does. Like the air gives you something to measure the distance between sounds more. Minor difference though.

 

  • The Q701 sounds are lighter and have more of that "floating" quality, which is something a lot of K70x owners love (myself included). People often say they enjoy how the AKGs make sounds feel like they are suspended out in front of you, floating. There is less of that with the Anniversary pads. They just have a more of a grounded quality to the sounds. Weightier sounds just don't "float" as well! That's not necessarily a bad thing, just depends which you like more - Floating sounds or grounded sounds.

 

  • The Q701s you can hear the recording space a little better. You can hear the air and reverb in the room. This is mainly a factor when listening to classical music and other instrumental music in live spaces. For example, after a big orchestra hits and then goes silent, you can hear the sound reflections reverberate throughout the space and air, and you sort of get a shape of the music hall. The darker K702 cuts some of that out, and instruments fall into a blacker background. Again, this comes back to the airier background Vs. blacker background aspects of the sound, and is also related to the size of instruments Vs. amount of separation qualities of each.

 

 

Gaming (with Dolby Headphone)

 

  • Both are great. Q701 would hold a small advantage for competitive, and 65s for fun.

 

  • Dolby Headphone makes their soundstages behave more similarly to each other than they do in stereo.

 

  • The Q701s advantage in separation means they require just a split-second less concentration to pinpoint things. This is a minor difference noticed when A-Bing directly though, and it may disappear after you have adjusted slightly to the Anniversary sound.

 

  • The Q701's air can be lovely in surround, and sort of gives a connected-ness to the sounds. On the anniversaries, sounds emerge out of a blacker background - the effect may be more similar to actual home-theater speakers.

 

  • The 65s greater body throughout the spectrum which gives them a definitive edge in the "fun" department. They sound more home-theater-y. Gunshots/explosions will have more weight and body, and the individual sounds are bigger and taller which can immerse you more. The Q701s soundstage separation and air also makes them a different kind of immersive.

 

 

Closing thoughts

 

I think it's safe to say that the anniversary's balance is more general-purpose, where usually the x70x are recommended as being better at certain genres (usually instrumental stuff) than others. If you’re someone who digs the x70x but listens more outside of its usual recommended genres, then the anniversary may be a better choice. If you like the Q701s but wish they were a little warmer (closer to the Senneiser HD6x0), the anniversaries may be great.

 

If you mainly listen to the typical genres the K70x is often recommended for, the standard x70x might be better - that extra air and soundstage separation can be important to those genres. If you also think the x70x balance is perfect as-is, you might prefer them to the anniversaries.

 

 

Personally, I love the sound from both.  I can see myself swapping out depending on what I'm listening to or which sound I'm in the mood for:

 

  • One thing I love the most about the Q701 is how sounds can seem like they're floating out in front of your head, and you get less of that with the K702 Anniversary pads. That's BIG for me. I also really enjoy the greater sense of air on the Q701s, and I think the treble is about perfect.

 

  • The Anniversaries have their own advantages though. I enjoy the weightier sounds and greater body coming from the anniversary pads. They can be pretty fun and immersive. Having that little extra presence from the lower bass is nice, and I found it harder to resist bobbing my head when using the anniversary pads.

 

Since they share the same base sound (and are essentially pad mod/variations on that sound) there's a good chance if you like one, you will also like the other.

 

 

If you do like both, the good news is that you don't have to own to different pairs to get both sounds. If you own both pads, you will "own" both sounds No need to keep two headphones around. You can mod any (recent) x70x into having the anniversary sound by just getting a hold of their pads. I've fallen in love with both of their sounds. For those who feel the same way as me, there's nothing wrong with keeping a set of each pad around.

 

Because I was able to get the K702 anniversary at good price (and because I prefer the aesthetics and headband on it over the Q701), I decided to sell my beloved Q701s and keep the Anniversaries as my main headphone. That's saying something, because my Q701s have been my favorite headphone since the day I got them and have come out on top against a fair amount of other impressive headphones.  So selling them was an emotional event for me frown.gif 

 

I wasn't about to give up their sound though, so I immediately went and ordered a pair of Q701 pads from AKGs.  My Q701s will live on vicariously through the K702 Anniversaries evil_smiley.gif

 

 

 

 

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