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post #1711 of 3253

Can someone PLEASE take a picture of the 65's grill without the pads on??? All this talk of the subtle diffs between the cans, and no one's interested if the hole layout has anything to do with it?

post #1712 of 3253
What do you mean? Like just removing the pads? The inside looks identical.

As for subtle differences, that tends to happen as no two drivers are the same, though I SWEAR that it's noticeable enough to say my Annie is dark in comparison to Tdock's Q701 with the same pads.

The best way to truly A/B is if both have the same pads at the same time, and a fast A/B is possible. As it stands, it takes too long to swap pads.
post #1713 of 3253

No, I'm asking if the 65's grill (what I'm calling the part that the pads latch onto, behind which is the driver) look like this picture from the parts list, because my regular 702's have none of the openings in the outside ring.

post #1714 of 3253
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Originally Posted by Dougr33 View Post

Can someone PLEASE take a picture of the 65's grill without the pads on??? All this talk of the subtle diffs between the cans, and no one's interested if the hole layout has anything to do with it?

 

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Originally Posted by Dougr33 View Post

No, I'm asking if the 65's grill (what I'm calling the part that the pads latch onto, behind which is the driver) look like this picture from the parts list, because my regular 702's have none of the openings in the outside ring.

 

 

 

Relax, they are the same.  Something that obvious would have been pointed out A LONG time ago.

 

I"m not sure the picture your posting is the same part your thinking of though.  It looks like it's either underneath the part you can visibly see when you open them or is the back of the part you see when you open them.

 

post #1715 of 3253
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Chico, what number is your Annie?

 

Anniversary = #752

Q701 = #4165

post #1716 of 3253
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

 

 

 

Relax, they are the same.  Something that obvious would have been pointed out A LONG time ago.

 

I"m not sure the picture your posting is the same part your thinking of though.  It looks like it's either underneath the part you can visibly see when you open them or is the back of the part you see when you open them.

 


Okay, fair enough, I'll relax.   You're right, I'm sure someone would have noticed, but not having all the models, I wanted to know if I had an old style 702, and that without the (now known to be imaginary) extra openings perhaps adding Annie pads wouldn't yield the same results as others were hearing.  

 

The picture is of that part, as shown in the latest pdf. You can see the slots in the exploded view too.  Perhaps it was the original design and they never updated the schematic.

Anyway, thank you very much for taking the time to calm me down; I really do appreciate it. I'm going to order the new pads now.

 

post #1717 of 3253

K702.65 meet the Q701.

 

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post #1718 of 3253
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post

K702.65 meet the Q701.

 

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One of them should be wearing blue glasses. And maybe a different scarf. 

post #1719 of 3253

But what happens when they swap hats... eek.gif

 

But seriously, the recent posts about pad changes have been really informative.

post #1720 of 3253
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

But what happens when they swap hats... eek.gif

 

But seriously, the recent posts about pad changes have been really informative.

Ya I agree.  Thanks guys for the up dates.  I guess when I get my 65th's I'll be selling them after I do some A/B comparisons also.  If I find it different I will also chime in. 


Edited by Hawaiiancerveza - 3/1/13 at 12:47pm
post #1721 of 3253
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post



I'm not able to swap FAST enough, but I SWEAR, Tdock's Q701 is voiced just a hint brighter than my Annie. Not sure if it's driver variation or burn-in, etc, but it is brighter, even with Annie pads. Either way, I do prefer the Q701 with Annie pads than the Q701 pads, so whether it's the same exact sound out of the headphones or not, I say the Annie pads are worth it, IMHO.

Either way, make no mistake, they are either the same sonically, or they are nearly 98% the same with a slight more warmth out of the Annie, though my Annie isn't as burned in as tdock's Q701, if you believe in that... what I do know is that my Annie is warmer and more bottom heavy and not as airy as his Q701 with the Annie pads.

edit: Absolutely. My Annie is warmer. Not a huge difference, but I can hear it. So it doesn't sound identical to HIS Q701, but it's close-ish. I don't want to commit to saying it is or isn't the same, but either way, the sound is very close, so if you own the Q701 and are fine with the headband, it's worth trying out the Annie pads.

Just remember, two of the same headphone can sound slightly different. Case in point, I had THREE DT990/600ohms in my house at the same time, and they all sounded a hair different from one another, one of them being noticeably more bassy and mid recessed compared to the other two.

 

 

I know it's hard to believe, but there is always a TINY possibility that the reason my Q701 is slightly brighter is due to the outer grill and foam behind it. I imagine the difference is barely audible. I tested some minor grill changes and did hear some slight differences. The biggest difference SOMEHOW was when removing the outer grills foam. I know I didn't like my Q701 as much with the K601/K701 outer grill (stock pads). It made it very very slighly less warm and thinner sounding. We're probably talking like a 3-5% difference. It only is noticeable in specific music. I was using some Tony Bennett songs with a good soundstage biggrin.gif It's actually as bad as comparing the graininess of the HD-650 vs the HD-600. That also was only noticeable in music with a large soundstage. Some won't be able to hear any difference with most music.

 

I used the heck out of my Q701. I bet I have about 1000+ hours on it. I spent 120 hours in Skyrim alone. I don't recall my number, but I bought it in October 2011. I didn't notice any changes along the way, but it's possible.

 

I think comparing the difference in grills is a waste of time. Best thing for someone to do is to try one grill for a week and then switch to a different one. Otherwise the sound is way too similar. Only a complete nerd would do this (like me).

 

I imagine if I wanted the Q701 with Annie pads to sound 100% like the 65th, it would be a good idea to remove the Q701s outer grill foam OR get some K701 outer grills (slightly more open). 

 

My old K601 actually got warmer/bassier when I removed it's outer grills. Weird. Maybe the 65th is similar in that it gets warmer/bassier when being made more open? Doubt that!

 

Strangely the same thing didn't apply to my Q701! I could be wrong though.

 

Feel free to remove any grills if you get bored. They turn counter clockwise normal_smile%20.gif Sounds weird, but those free priority mail tags work better than tape! Less sticky too.

 

 

My guess is that the foam and outer grill will make some area of the mids sound a tad more forward than the 65, but maybe not. The 65th probably has more forward (and fuller sounding) lower mids, but maybe not.

Sometimes it seems that when you have more warmth and more forward lower mids you get less forward upper mids and less treble. Guess it's all some weird balancing acting that i'll never figure out.


Edited by tdockweiler - 3/1/13 at 12:54pm
post #1722 of 3253
Putting the Q701 pads on the Annie, it reminds me a lot of the Q701 I had. So if there is any difference, it is definitely slight. Again the difference in pads is mostly in specific genres of music. It is perfect believable that some songs will sound near identical with both pads, while other songs, you can easily tell whichpad you're using.
post #1723 of 3253

So really, the annies are just K702 65th Padniversary edition biggrin.gif

 

Pad-fi strikes again!

post #1724 of 3253
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

So really, the annies are just K702 65th Padniversary edition biggrin.gif


Pad-fi strikes again!

The best you could hope for with Akg is new pads. No way they'd redesign a driver
post #1725 of 3253
I figured they'd at least change something internally, like damping or something, but it does seem to be just the pads, though my Annie definitely sounds different from tdock's Q701. Like 5%. More, thicker bass, less treble, even with the same pads. Still it's close enough to blame it on either driver variation or if you want to believe in it, burn in. Tdock says he has 1000 hours on his. My Annies probably have around 100 hours, and that's being generous.

Basically as different my one Dt990/600 that was warmer and more bassy, while the two other 990/600s I had on had that were not as bassy, and brighter.

Too bad no two headphones sound exactly alike.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/1/13 at 8:27pm
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