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post #1621 of 3294
Like I said, even if they sound the same, the Annie is worth it to me due to the increased comfort of the headband.
post #1622 of 3294

The Q's bumps don't bother me so I'd save some money.  

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Like I said, even if they sound the same, the Annie is worth it to me due to the increased comfort of the headband.
post #1623 of 3294

No one?

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Originally Posted by Dougr33 View Post

has anyone determined if the grill (name?) that the pads attach to looks the same on these models? The opening's sizes, shapes etc could be a 'tuning' element besides the pads and the foam disc.  My 702's doesn't look like this from the new shared parts list (most significantly, has none of the openings on the outside ring marked in red. Is this what the 65's look like?..

post #1624 of 3294
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This is exactly why I was waiting on his impressions. biggrin.gif

Chico, wait until you try it for gaming. I think Dolby Headphone will make the soundstage differences not as different as you may think. The Annie thows a pretty large soundstage for gaming and movies. Maybe even more natural than the Qs which are undoubtedly, and majestically huge, but not the most natural.
 

 

Yes, you're on the right track.  I did some dolby headphone tests and the anniversaries behaved more similar to the Q701s in terms of soundstage-presentation than they did in stereo.  Dolby Headphone doesn't care much if a headphone pans sounds to the side, and once it's turned ON it makes the anniversaries soundstage wrap around similar to the Qs.

 

So the differences become less obvious, and I had to run more passes to pick up on them then I did in stereo.

 

 

Still there are a few.  The Q's will still throw certain sounds a couple feet farther.  This is more noticeable with the closer sounds - the farther away sounds get from you, the less you notice a difference in their distance. 

Also, the Q701s greater separation means the 65s end up require just a split second more concentration to pinpoint things.

 

Also the Q701's air is lovely in surround, especially since dolby headphone will slightly softens your highs,which means the 65s take another hit to their air...

 

 

On the other hand, the 65s greater body throughout the spectrum gives them a definite edge in the "fun" department, and they sound more home-theater-y.  Could be enough to make any differences in the soundstage irrelevant...

 

So both are good.  Q701 would hold and advantage for competitive, and 65s for fun. 

post #1625 of 3294
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No one?

My K702 65th doesn't have the outermost holes and I haven't seen any picture of any other x70x that do.  Maybe that was diagram for a very early model?  

post #1626 of 3294
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Originally Posted by JWahl View Post

My K702 65th doesn't have the outermost holes and I haven't seen any picture of any other x70x that do.  Maybe that was diagram for a very early model?  


It's from the brand new parts PDF for the 702 & 702.65.

post #1627 of 3294
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

 

Here's something to try...

 

See what the Q701 with 65th pads sounds like with the 65ths outer grill (no foam) installed. Maybe it will sound just VERY slightly better when it comes to the soundstage. Maybe even try it without a grill. I know my old K601 got warmer/bassier with no grill, but my Q701 did not..

 

I wonder if the 65th sounds worse with the Q701s foam and grill installed (using stock pads). You'd think so, but maybe even better? Highly unlikely.

 

 

If the sound changed when swapped the outer grills on the K702 (original) and the Q701, it was too miniscule for me to even notice or care about - so I'm not really expecting it to be different this time.

I will probably try them with NO grill though...

 


EDIT: So I imagine that with just the K702 and Annie pads you can't get the 65th sound. No confirmation yet I guess if some of the late 2012 or 2013 K702s sound identical to the Q701. Highly unlikely..

It still is baffling why the K702 sounds so much different than the Q701.

That is even more confusing than the Q701 vs the 65th.

 

 

The K702 (original) and Q701 I tested had more drastic differences in sound (especially in bass) then the anniversary and Q701.  So I still don't know what the Q701 had inside that the original K702s didn't, or if the current K702s now sound the same as Q701s...

 

 

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BTW I think flat pads without memory foam would never work on the Q701. It'd be too "shouty" without AKG using different materials.

 

Your probably right.  The K400 pads made the Q701 more shouty, and they were pretty flat and didn't have much seal at all.  Q701s pads added a lot of bass to the K400s when you put them on them.

 

 

I also wonder if there was a way to reduce the warmth of the 65th pads on the Q701. Kind of perfecting it's sound...

I doubt switching out the grills is enough..

 

Chicolom, can you try the Q701 with 65th pads without the driver foam? I bet this might sound even better. Or maybe make the lower mids too forward..

This should bring forward the treble a bit. Barely audible though..

 

If that's not enough to perfect the sound you can also try to swap grills.

 

Who knows..maybe some will prefer the 65th with no driver foam?

 

EDIT: My Q701 doesn't need any more warmth really, but it still might be kind of nice. I'd be afraid it'll sound too much like an HD-650 with a larger soundstage and clearer sound.

 

 

I kind of wish the memory foam pads were angled like the originals, because I think angling them helps with the depth and reduces the amount of hard left-right panning, which are things I likey.  I don't see any easy way to "phat-pad" mod them in the back and angle them (not without taking a knife to them eek.gif)

 

I wish some j$ type modder would just design some pad variations and mount them on a knockoff of AKGs bayonet lock so you could tune the sound on your own.

 

I will have to try them without the inner foam ring, as I've never removed it.  If it adds treble back, it might give some air back to the 65s.

 

 

BTW, I think you feel the same way as me about the Q701s in that you don't think the Q701s really need to be warmer and that they are already great as is.  You will probably hear the anniversary pads as an interesting "mod" and variation on the Q701s sound, but will still love the Q701s stock sound too.  That's sort of how I feel. 

 

So just hang on to those Q701 pads tongue.gif


Edited by chicolom - 2/27/13 at 8:50pm
post #1628 of 3294
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Originally Posted by Hawaiiancerveza View Post

I'm waiting for those.  I know chico said they sounded the same but if they don't than I'll keep the 65th and sell the Q701.  If not... I'll sell the 65th and just get the pads.  

 

Which one(s) do you have know? 

 

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I'm sure chico will chime in with some final thoughts on the matter after he's had them a while longer too.

 

Yeah, I'm note done yet...

 

My first listening said they were the same, apart from the pads, but I will swap pads again and give them another pass on the next session to double check.

 

And I still have some more in-depth notes I've yet to post.  I'll write them all up in review style and consolidate them with my other impressions when I've had a bit more listening time.


Edited by chicolom - 2/27/13 at 9:02pm
post #1629 of 3294

 I have the Q's right now but the 65th's are on their way.  

I checked on the AKG site and the phones have the same specs so I'm assuming the ear pads are whats making the difference.  

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

Which one(s) do you have know? 

 

 

Yeah, I'm note done yet...

 

My first listening said they were the same, apart from the pads, but I will swap pads again and give them another pass on the next session to double check.

 

And I still have some more in-depth notes I've yet to post.  I'll write them all up in review style and consolidate them with my other impressions when I've had a bit more listening time.


Edited by Hawaiiancerveza - 2/27/13 at 9:46pm
post #1630 of 3294
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Originally Posted by Hawaiiancerveza View Post

 I have the Q's right now but the 65th's are on their way.  

I checked on the AKG site and the phones have the same specs so I'm assuming the ear pads are whats making the difference.  

 

A little earlier in the thread I think an AKG rep confirmed that the drivers are identical.

post #1631 of 3294

Ya I didn't read through the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

A little earlier in the thread I think an AKG rep confirmed that the drivers are identical.

post #1632 of 3294
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

A little earlier in the thread I think an AKG rep confirmed that the drivers are identical.


I swear that earlier marketing material said something to the effect of them being hand picked or specially matched for the 65th. Guess not!

 

In the PDF file, the 65th goes to 8hz and not the Q701's 10hz. It's now a total BASS MONSTER!!

 

Probably just a typo..

post #1633 of 3294
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post


I swear that earlier marketing material said something to the effect of them being hand picked or specially matched for the 65th. Guess not!

 

In the PDF file, the 65th goes to 8hz and not the Q701's 10hz. It's now a total BASS MONSTER!!

 

Probably just a typo..

 

I think they said the drivers were picked to match each other or something.

 

"The Anniversary Limited Edition K702s, though, vary slightly from the standard model. They boast identical specifications, but the drivers of the Anniversary edition are matched for optimum stereo performance,"

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan13/articles/akg-k702.htm

 

Here is the post about the drivers being the same as regular K702: http://www.head-fi.org/t/626971/akg-k702-65th-anniversary-edition/1290#post_9161214

post #1634 of 3294
So at least tbe Annie's drivers are cherry picked in comparison to the standard models. That means a lot actually, as following say, Beyerdynamic and its horrendous driver variations, much of that could be avoided with cherry picking drivers.
post #1635 of 3294

I don't know if it means cherry picked, or just that they take two  of 'em that measure the same to avoid channel imbalances or whatever.

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