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post #1531 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post

 

Looks like you're already there ...as far I remember my 702s got the sound changes in the first 200hrs, the last change that I notice was around 250. I definitely agree with you, another 200hrs will close this case. Maybe a silver cable can open the sound of the 65s.

 

You're bad! Silver cable on an K70X? No thanks!

Silver MIGHT make the 65th sound closer to a K702. Why would you want that? confused_face.gif

 

Mogami or stock is best. I love the Mogami cable I made for my Q701. A bit fuller sounding than stock. Probably due to a thicker gauge of wire or it's capacitance.

 

I've tried ALO SXC on the Q701 and it was awful. At first it was nice but then I realized I lost warmth, but everything was more distant sounding and clearer (more transparent?)

This cable distortion nonsense almost makes sense to me. The science guys will just love that comment..

 

Often a cable that's technically crappier sometimes sound better. Weird right?


Edited by tdockweiler - 2/23/13 at 8:52am
post #1532 of 3252
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

 

You're bad! Silver cable on an K70X? No thanks!

Silver MIGHT make the 65th sound closer to a K702. Why would you want that? confused_face.gif

 

Mogami or stock is best. I love the Mogami cable I made for my Q701. A bit fuller sounding than stock. Probably due to a thicker gauge of wire or it's capacitance.

 

I've tried ALO SXC on the Q701 and it was awful. At first it was nice but then I realized I lost warmth, but everything was more distant sounding and clearer (more transparent?)

This cable distortion nonsense almost makes sense to me. The science guys will just love that comment..

 

Often a cable that's technically crappier sometimes sound better. Weird right?

 

 

Maybe the silver cable will help Blackmore to fool in love with the 65's, you never know! tongue_smile.gif I like my Mogami quad W2534, but soon I'll try out the Sommer Galileo 238 that is a very balanced cable.

post #1533 of 3252

Thanks blackmore, for your review.

 

Interesting to see a different take on the pad switching. Maybe there might still be difference's between the K701vsK702?

 

This is just confusing. On one hand I can't ignore your findings, but on the other, I can't really argue with my own hearings either.

 

and AKG's secret upgrades don't help remove any doubt either.

post #1534 of 3252
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Thanks blackmore, for your review.

 

Interesting to see a different take on the pad switching. Maybe there might still be difference's between the K701vsK702?

 

This is just confusing. On one hand I can't ignore your findings, but on the other, I can't really argue with my own hearings either.

 

and AKG's secret upgrades don't help remove any doubt either.

 

I think the pads on the K702 might be harder and bassier than those of the K701. They're obviously NOT the same part number, but that's not the reason. My K701 pads are really soft and not hard at all. Q701 pads..not so much.

 

My guess is that K701 and K601 pads sound basically the same (despite the K701 pads being angled).

 

K702 and Q701 pads are the same (same #). These pads on the K601 make it a bit bassier. When I switched to the K701 pads on the K601 they had much less bass than the Q701 pads. No clue why.

post #1535 of 3252

But my K701's are 'a lot' bassier and warmer sounding than my old K702's...?

post #1536 of 3252
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

But my K701's are 'a lot' bassier and warmer sounding than my old K702's...?

At this point, I feel like I should just declare that every K/Q70X is different. Why are there so many differing opinions?

 

 

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I think the pads on the K702 might be harder and bassier than those of the K701. They're obviously NOT the same part number, but that's not the reason. My K701 pads are really soft and not hard at all. Q701 pads..not so much.

 

My guess is that K701 and K601 pads sound basically the same (despite the K701 pads being angled).

 

K702 and Q701 pads are the same (same #). These pads on the K601 make it a bit bassier. When I switched to the K701 pads on the K601 they had much less bass than the Q701 pads. No clue why.


It's not the fact that the 65th sound like K702's, its the opposite that has me confused. Because if the newer K701's are essentially the same as Q701 & K702, then our findings should've matched up. Do the K702's come with angled or flat pads? Or did they change that halfway through as well?

post #1537 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

Yesterday, the postman was really nice and deliver them to my place, so, here are my first impressions compared to original K702.

 

In stock configuration, mean stock pads and cable, Anniversary impressed me with electronica / trance music only. Classical and Jazz were not my liking, their midbass umph I was afraid of is there, but also the whole signature have kind of coating, which makes them sound like many already described, more forgiving, warmer and upfront.

While they still kept the detail, they turn in the air and clarity, which, at the end, translated in less linearity with much more "fun" instead. But if I have to be critical, they just lost their balance.

 

For example, when you listen to orchestral and trio jazz, you just hear it, there is no natural sparkle of string tone or deep and tight acoustic bass, even piano, while still have that typical tone, but because of already mentioned coating and upfront umph in sound, makes it sound like you put your head inside piano and not just sitting in front of orchestra. The whole specturm is more compact and do not deliver the natural feeling to be in concert hall, but just direct or inside the orchestra. Also, because of prominent lower end, they sound clearly louder with the same volume settings. I found them sound like closed back with some tracks than open air one.

 

Another story guys when you put normal pads on Anniversary model, they just become normal K702, so, basically and based on my first session, I conclude that pads make them sound like this. I did put Anniversary pads on normal K702 and here we go, Anniversary were back. To make the final call, I need more time. What I mean, is, if they sound fully identical when you switch pads, but right now, I would say, try Anniversary pads on your K702 and you will get very close sound to the original Anniversarys. Less exciting news is, the Anniversary pads seem to be not cheap and this may be the reason why, cos guys at AKG/Harman knew this will show up sooner or later, so, if you want Anniversary sound with your normal K702, you must pay the bill.

 

THX

 

If the K702 with 65th pads sound identical to the 65th, I'd hate to hear what the Q701 sounds like with the 65th pads. Maybe it will be magically downgraded to an HD-650 (sorry,only kidding!).

 

How old is your K702? My K702 I had in early 2011 was quite a lot different than the Q701. Had them both at the same time. Perhaps your K702 is one with possible new drivers. Nobody has ever confirmed if they had a K702 that sounds 100% identical to the Q701 though. Was your K702 purchased in 2012 or 2013?

 

My guess is that to get the sound of my Q701 closer to the REAL 65th, i'd have to install K702 outer grills and remove the foam.

 

BTW did you know that the K601 gets bassier with no outer grill? This is totally opposite of my Q701 (based on memory).

 

I wonder how the 65th would change with the outer grill removed or the  Q701 foam and button added. biggrin.gif

 

It'd be funny if my Q701 with 65th pads was warmer and bassier than the stock 65th. Hardly possible..

post #1538 of 3252
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Originally Posted by 2enty3 View Post

At this point, I feel like I should just declare that every K/Q70X is different. Why are there so many differing opinions?

 

 


It's not the fact that the 65th sound like K702's, its the opposite that has me confused. Because if the newer K701's are essentially the same as Q701 & K702, then our findings should've matched up. Do the K702's come with angled or flat pads? Or did they change that halfway through as well?

 

K702, K701 and Q701 pads are all angled. Q701 and K702 pads have both the same part numbers.

My guess was that K701 pads are less bassy than the Q701 and K702 pads due to different materials etc. If this is the case they'll only sound similar, but not the same. Of course there's the grill and foam on the Q701.

 

If the K701 has upgraded drivers (it's discontinued though isn't it?) you'd still need K702 and Q701 pads I'd imagine.

 

Maybe the K701 and K702 aren't as similar as everyone has said in the past. Can't really measure pad differences can you?

 

I'd like to swap pads on the K701 and K702.

 

Wow, i'm just making things even more confusing..

 

If I buy a new K702 made in 2013 that's 100% identical to my Q701 it'll be hilarious. You know the K501 alone had like 3 revisions. Maybe there is 3 for the K702 biggrin.gif Ten years from now we'll know!


Edited by tdockweiler - 2/23/13 at 2:51pm
post #1539 of 3252

Yup it is confusing! Must also say that the pads on the K701's are softer and more comfortable than my 702's. I used to get a pain in my lower jaw with them. I personally think that the K701's had a revision at the same time as the Q's came out. Well and truly tweaked. Now whether it was with the actual driver or the acoustics within the housing... Who knows? But peoples decription of the the older K701 is not how mine sounds at all. Mine are as bassy as a 650 but with more extention. The soundstage is also narrower than my old K702's. From all of the posts I've read on the Q's they fit the same description.

 

Why don't we hire a private detective..? To find out once and fall all, what the hell is going on!!

 

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post #1540 of 3252

Little update.

 

Got some time today and listen to Anniversary with other material

 

- Deep Purple live, recorded on February 27, 1976 in Long Beach, California. This is 2CD's edition from King Biscuit Flower Hour that comes with 4 bonus tracks, recorded on January 226, 1976 in Springfield, Mass

 

- Robert Plant "Fate of Nations" 12 tracks studio album from 1993

 

- Deep Purple "Purpendicular" studio album from 1996

 

 

First record have very nasty sounding cymbals, I guess the tech guys placed the mics to close to them or sound engineer didnt pay enough  attention to the final results, so, while the rest is simply amazing, cymbals are the worse part. I remember the time I was listen to this CD through my NAD player + TrendsAudio T10 integrated> AKG K1000 and I was shocked, in the good way I mean, it was the first and the last time I enjoy this record and the reason, at least one of them for sure, was the T amp, which sounded very warmish, full and punchy, which also helped push down that nasty tssss to the acceptable level.

This time, I was not shocked, but really surprised and the reason of that are Anniversaries. While the cymbals still annoying, the rest remind me of that moment from the past, when it felt like you are on stage with the band, having fun by playing hard rock. All I can say, just listen to track "Gettin' Tighter" and you may share that feeling with me to, who knows:-)

This time, their warmish, upfront and punchy signature were very welcome and as with electronica music, they lived up with very first notes and kept me tapping the whole time.

 

Second record have same tsss issue, but this time its the Plant voice or just edge sibilance, but also here, Anniversary absorb this for a big part and let the rest rule. Track "Calling To You" , from start to end, is very intense and while Anns are good, but they start to show their limits as well, limits in the sense of be unlimited tolerant, which they  simply not, so, at this point, I can imagine that folks want more warmth from their system, to get the most of them, however to me, its only concerns such records.

 

Last CD are the best in my hard rock collection, mean record quality up here. Dont know how, but they did an fantastic job in the studio and at the moment that I thought I got enough impressions, this album only proved already great ability of Anniversaries to get wild. Of course, they arent Grado's and will not deliver that coloration, but compared to original K702, they simply rock.

 

Strange or not, but it didnt felt like they were not balanced this time, kind of transforming, I must say.

 

THX

post #1541 of 3252
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

 

K702, K701 and Q701 pads are all angled. Q701 and K702 pads have both the same part numbers.

 

 

My first K702 N° 18xxx pads were not angled at all , perfectly flat ... the second K702 n°33xxx  that i had pads were clearly angled .


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 2/23/13 at 5:06pm
post #1542 of 3252
One thing I definitely remember is that my K701 had a different pad material than the Q701's pads. Perhaps that is precisely why that old K701 was so shouty in the upper mids, bass light, and borderline sterile sounding? The Q701 was a pretty nice jump in warmth and musicality.

I absolutely hated that ancient 7 bump K701 for music. It was just fatiguing.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/23/13 at 5:15pm
post #1543 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

Little update.

 

Got some time today and listen to Anniversary with other material

 

- Deep Purple live, recorded on February 27, 1976 in Long Beach, California. This is 2CD's edition from King Biscuit Flower Hour that comes with 4 bonus tracks, recorded on January 226, 1976 in Springfield, Mass

 

- Robert Plant "Fate of Nations" 12 tracks studio album from 1993

 

- Deep Purple "Purpendicular" studio album from 1996

 

 

First record have very nasty sounding cymbals, I guess the tech guys placed the mics to close to them or sound engineer didnt pay enough  attention to the final results, so, while the rest is simply amazing, cymbals are the worse part. I remember the time I was listen to this CD through my NAD player + TrendsAudio T10 integrated> AKG K1000 and I was shocked, in the good way I mean, it was the first and the last time I enjoy this record and the reason, at least one of them for sure, was the T amp, which sounded very warmish, full and punchy, which also helped push down that nasty tssss to the acceptable level.

This time, I was not shocked, but really surprised and the reason of that are Anniversaries. While the cymbals still annoying, the rest remind me of that moment from the past, when it felt like you are on stage with the band, having fun by playing hard rock. All I can say, just listen to track "Gettin' Tighter" and you may share that feeling with me to, who knows:-)

This time, their warmish, upfront and punchy signature were very welcome and as with electronica music, they lived up with very first notes and kept me tapping the whole time.

 

Second record have same tsss issue, but this time its the Plant voice or just edge sibilance, but also here, Anniversary absorb this for a big part and let the rest rule. Track "Calling To You" , from start to end, is very intense and while Anns are good, but they start to show their limits as well, limits in the sense of be unlimited tolerant, which they  simply not, so, at this point, I can imagine that folks want more warmth from their system, to get the most of them, however to me, its only concerns such records.

 

Last CD are the best in my hard rock collection, mean record quality up here. Dont know how, but they did an fantastic job in the studio and at the moment that I thought I got enough impressions, this album only proved already great ability of Anniversaries to get wild. Of course, they arent Grado's and will not deliver that coloration, but compared to original K702, they simply rock.

 

Strange or not, but it didnt felt like they were not balanced this time, kind of transforming, I must say.

 

THX


I hope you'll keep swapping pads to compare 702+65pads to your breaking-in 702.65s  Thanks for the updates!

post #1544 of 3252
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

Little update.

 

Got some time today and listen to Anniversary with other material

 

 

Nice. Thanks for the sequel. We all hope for pad swapping

post #1545 of 3252

can anyone recommend a store to buy these online (hopefully they will ship to Oz)

 

cheers

Serg

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