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post #1036 of 3233

So I got notification that my pair shipped. I was hoping it would come the day after but it is expected on Thursday. I have no idea why a 30-40 minute drive takes 2 days of shipping time but oh well.

post #1037 of 3233
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

2enty3, please do us a favor and swap the pads, to see if the K701 sounds like the Annie, and vice versa. Need to know if the pads are what changes the sound completely, or if they retuned the drivers as they stated. Also, I know you're not happy with the headband's size, but I find the smaller contact area much more appreciable, and the headband is infinitely more conforming to one's head shape, not forgeting to mention the huge comfort boost of not having bumps.

So it seems that the bass is the main difference. Not surprising. However the addition of bass does tend to make things smoother overall. Like the D7000, the bass tends to linger a little, warming up the sound to my ears. Something that definitely doesn't happen with the older models. As is the rule of audio, when you emphasize something, something else will be lessened. As is typical with bass boosts, either mids or treble will be lessened. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the uppermid/treble range that is audibly lessened, as that is how I hear it. That's why the upper mids don't seem fatiguing to me now.

I wish I had the newer K701, which seems to be quite improved over the old 7 bump version I owned. That one was...ugh. The Q701 was quite a leap in enjoyment over that old K701.


Right, I did this but forgot to mention it. To re-fresh my memory, I tested it again just now, and the results are... odd.

First I did one headphone with different pads, then same pad, different headphones, in that order.

 

65th+Angled vs 65th+Memory:

The angled pads give it less bass, but not by much, but end up increasing the high frequencies quite a bit as well. During A-B, hi-hats with some songs were many times louder, enough so to stand out from the rest of the songs. It felt like the hi-hat was supposed to be the main focus of the songs. Otherwise, the clarity and soundstage remained unchanged.

 

K701+Memory vs. K701+Angled:

The memory generally made things louder, most likely because of the closer distance, however the bass was indeed increased. That gain was at the cost of quality though, because the mids in general sounded very muddy.

 

Angled+65th vs. Angled+K701:

The heightened treble previously mentioned makes its appearance once again, and it surprisingly is more prominent than with the K701. The K701's treble is "tamed" I should say, where as the 65+angled it's just super emphasized. My hypothesis is that in order to have the 65th have more bass and retain it's clarity they upped both ends of the spectrum.

 

Memory+65th vs Memory+K701:

Here the K701 does develop a slight bass boost, making it a little closer to the 65th, but at the cost of a significant reduction in soundstage and clarity. It sounds like a defective 65th. In fact it now seems to be closer to the K240 in terms of quality, but the sound signature is still treble favored.

 

I don't know what kind of voodoo the people at AKG pulled, but there's most definitely something different going on inside those ear cups.

 

EDIT: Oh, and I got # 738

post #1038 of 3233
So there is definitely a difference past just the pads then...

So in short, would you say the K701 is ideal with the stock pads, and the 65th ideal with it's stock pads?
post #1039 of 3233
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

So there is definitely a difference past just the pads then...

So in short, would you say the K701 is ideal with the stock pads, and the 65th ideal with it's stock pads?

 

Exactly, switching pads makes either headphone worse.

post #1040 of 3233
That's gonna suck for those who ordered the memory foams for the Q and Ks. frown.gif

So it seems the Annie needed a treble boost to offset the muddying the memory foam pads would have done if they retained the same sonic character as the older models. AKG wasn't lying in that it retuned the Annie then.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/29/13 at 7:20pm
post #1041 of 3233
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Originally Posted by 2enty3 View Post


Right, I did this but forgot to mention it. To re-fresh my memory, I tested it again just now, and the results are... odd.

First I did one headphone with different pads, then same pad, different headphones, in that order.

 

I don't know what kind of voodoo the people at AKG pulled, but there's most definitely something different going on inside those ear cups.

 

How old is your K701?

post #1042 of 3233
Just for giggles I borrowed my friends HD 650s to compare with the Annies on this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27oxG1g8-t0 - the low end is just as I remembered: over-emphasized, somewhat boomy and crowding out significant details. I am glad that I chose the Annies.
post #1043 of 3233
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

That's gonna suck for those who ordered the memory foams for the Q and Ks. frown.gif

So it seems the Annie needed a treble boost to offset the muddying the memory foam pads would have done if they retained the same sonic character as the older models. AKG wasn't lying in that it retuned the Annie then.

 

I'm going to take all these impressions of the pad differences with a grain of salt. Not that I don't believe them, but there's so many things that could make impressions different, including the amps and DAC etc.

I once modded my Q701 and it sounded fine with one setup and then AWFUL with another. There goes that idea.

 

I knew that buying the 65th pads would probably be a waste, but I don't care. I'm very curious. Maybe they'll sound amazing with my K601 and terrible with my Q701.

 

Any changes made to my K601 don't seem to work with my Q701, which is bizarre.

 

My guess is that when I get the 65th pads they will be too shouty in the mids or make everything muffled. I may be required to use the K601 inner grills to reduce the warmth.

Maybe the 65th pads on MY Q701 with stock inner grills will be TOO WARM. Wouldn't that be funny!

 

Do the memory foam pads actually compress when you use them on your head? I have zero clamp with my Q701, so if they did, it wouldn't a whole lot.

 

Another 2 weeks until my pads come in. They told me 3 weeks in total. That's unless they come in early..

 

BTW it's interesting that my K601 was ALWAYS warmer/fuller sounding than the K702, but when I put it on after the Q701 it seems so much thinner and way less warm. Weird.

 

After using the K601 more lately, there does seem to be more of a mid-bass hump. It still doesn't seem warmer, but yet male vocals are fuller sounding than the Q701. I know it makes no sense.

 

What I would really like to know is how the imaging of the 65th compares to the K601. The K601 has some amazing imaging and it's better than the Q701 when it comes to this. I have no clue how.

post #1044 of 3233
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

How old is your K701?


#65831, about 1.5 years old now.

 

I had another one the year before that, #20XXX, IIRC, and they were both 8-bumps. When did they start making the 8 bumps....?

post #1045 of 3233
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Originally Posted by toschek View Post

Just for giggles I borrowed my friends HD 650s to compare with the Annies on this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27oxG1g8-t0 - the low end is just as I remembered: over-emphasized, somewhat boomy and crowding out significant details. I am glad that I chose the Annies.


Wow, weird. It's boomy on EVERY headphone I tried it with. DJ100, both KRKs and HD-650. Ok not the Q701.

Lots of my songs have severely bloated and boomy bass IN the recording.

 

OK, I know what you're saying since most HD-650's have a fairly large mid-bass hump  normal_smile%20.gif

 

BTW why does 75% of ambient music sound really muffled?

 

That song makes my DJ100 seem like a D1100. confused_face_2.gif

 

EDIT: That song has some of the worst bass i've ever heard. I never knew I could get bass fatigue from the DJ100.


Edited by tdockweiler - 1/29/13 at 8:01pm
post #1046 of 3233

Have to say I love very simple ambient electronica on the Q701 (or 65th too I imagine). Right now I like stuff like Helios, Stars of the Lid, Loscil, Near the Parenthesis and Boards of Canada.

Anything that's very simple and doesn't bombard me with noise. I imagine it would bore some people to death:

 

 

If there's anything similar you love on the Anniversay or Q701, let me know!

 

BTW you should download this album (100% free and legal from Helios) and try it on the Anniversay:

 

http://www.unseen-music.com/albums/free/

post #1047 of 3233

This is one of my go-to tracks for testing raw bass.  After :44 the bass gets INTENSE.

 

"The Joker", Dave Supplee:

https://soundcloud.com/dave-supplee/the-joker-dubstep

 

If the link doesn't work just reload the page and it should be good.  It doesn't seem to work the first time you link to it...

 

DON'T listen to the version on youtube, it has awful distortion and sounds nasty whenever there is any bass.  The version above is HQ and sounds clean.

 

 

 
 

Edited by chicolom - 1/29/13 at 8:50pm
post #1048 of 3233
Weird, the bass is "just right" on my setup, it could very well the tube I am using in my DAC/amp which delivers the best bass I have heard yet. OTOH the same setup with the HD 650 reveals everything I didn't care for with the HD 650, so I'm confused. I keep wanting to give the Senns another chance, but I have to accept that they are just not for me.

I have been listening to a lot of Stars of the Lid and Mark McGuire lately and you're right -- the Annies really are a treat with that genre. You ought to check out Brian Eno's incidental music from The Lovely Bones, it's simple but pretty nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDgx7aUlShw
Edited by toschek - 1/29/13 at 9:33pm
post #1049 of 3233
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

This is one of my go-to tracks for testing raw bass.  After :44 the bass gets INTENSE.

 

"The Joker", Dave Supplee:

https://soundcloud.com/dave-supplee/the-joker-dubstep

 
 

 

Definitely nice bass... will take that with me to the next sound check on a nice PA system :-)

post #1050 of 3233

I got my Anniversary edition headphones some days ago and when I was going to change the earpads to original K-702 pads (because with the new pads my ears hits the net inside them) I saw that the copper wire was almost lying on top of the diaphragm. Is this ok or is it going to affect the sound ?

 

http://postimage.org/image/r53i7vkev/

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