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Ha!

 

My personal faves:

 

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lolol Slick Willy! Perfect :D 

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Catching up on something I meant to post earlier.

 

The perceived spatial character of audio gear---IEMs in particular---is a subject that fascinates me to almost no end. There's certainly a whole plethora of variables at work, and our minds are basically taking signals and constructing an itty bitty aural microcosm from certain cues. I think this makes it one of the most personal and subsequently difficult to discuss aspects of this hobby. I used to have discussions with kiteki about a certain type of presentation one finds among some in-ear monitors: a certain "heady" quality that translates into an intercranial aural microcosm of sorts. It's a quality I happen to like quite a bit.

 

I think an important distinction should be made here. On some transducers with phase issues, it sounds like two little speakers piping music into your ears; it's localized and lacks that illusion of space. For whatever reason our brains have more trouble making a cohesive whole out of it. When people speak of this, they sometimes say it sounds like it's "in their head" and they very much mean this in a negative context. That's not what I'm talking about here however. With certain earphones there's a quality I've taken to calling interior depth. It's "in the head" so to speak, but it's still a convincing illusion of space. For lack of a better descriptor: one seems to plumb the depths of a track without actually going anywhere. This is how I hear the Phonak Audeo PFE232. It's also how I hear the Flat4. With the Flat4, I don't hear an expansive out-of-head type of presentation. It definitely sounds large in scale, but for me it's still in a certain headspace.

 

To better explain, I'll compare it to the 1Plus2 which I feel is sort of the opposite of the Flat4 in terms of presentation. With the 1Plus2 I feel as though I'm most certainly in the audience observing a performance. The soundscape is always relative to my position: it's taking place in front of me, to the sides, etc. This is what I call "out of head." In fact, the 1Plus2 is one of the most "out of head" ear monitors I've ever heard. It's like sitting in a room with very high-end speakers and professional room treatments. There's a definite distance between me and the performance. I think Tom nailed a head with a hit when he said it's like being enthroned on a grand seat in a concert hall.

 

So now the Flat4. I never get a sense of an immediate relationship between my position as observer and the soundfield as a separate entity. Everything that happens does so more as a dream unfolds than as a performance on some stage relative to a viewer. It's as if the music is unfolding without me, and indeed If I forget myself for a moment and concentrate on the music I find that in a glorious moment of the ego's dissolution, I insofar as I am "me" have been replaced by an oceanic expanse, the rotary pulsation of soundwaves expanding and contracting on the shores of consciousness. As soon as I am reminded that there must be some observer, I realize that my only plausible position is outside looking in: the God's eye view. There is a vast expanse, but it has never actually left the confines of my ego's border. That vastness---the sense of scope you might call the "stage" of the music---is merely another detail in a crystal flower forever growing through folding, unfolding, and re-folding like infinite origami.

 

That's what intrigues me so much about the Floats. They seem to do both of these things simultaneously, cutting through my head like I wasn't even there while still maintaining a definite exterior relative to my position. It's as if I'm in the midst of a performance, but haunting it as a restless spook. Voices in particular seem to pass right through me. It's delightfully unnerving.

 

I don't for a moment harbor the assumption that anyone else hears things this way. I just thought I'd finally [try] to articulate something I've been meaning to for a while now, regardless of how obfuscatory it ends up being by necessity.


Edited by MuppetFace - 3/25/13 at 5:45pm
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These are apparently useful... for something? Some kind of room treatment. Bass traps in the shape of a tea ceremony set? Audiophile magic at its best.


Edited by MuppetFace - 3/25/13 at 5:42pm
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You do have a good point on how the 1Plus2 images. I can close my eyes and picture them on stage just above me. Like I'm in the third row and I can see the band in front performing. That is amazing in itself. The pinpoint accuracy of it all. But on the Flat 4 as you said it isn't the same. Not even close. Although they do share some traits as both being fun IEMs to an extent. The Flat 4s presentation to me is very big and full. On certain tracks it feels as if the music is emanating from a stadium (the ambiance), yet I can't pinpoint myself in a particular area sitting down relevant to the presentation as you had mentioned. I still do feel the Flat 4s portray a bigger sense of space however even compared to the 1Plus2. While I feel the 1Plus2s are more intimate in its presentation in comparison yet you have an idea of where you would physically be relative to the presentation. But one phenomena I really associate with out of head experiences is where you'll find yourself turning around in bewilderment of what just happened. Something that was in the track made you think you heard something in real life.
 


Edited by lee730 - 3/25/13 at 6:25pm
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@jazzerdave

I like my UERM. Preferred them over the JH13/16, UM Miracle/Merlin/Mage, Westone ES-5 and Audeo PFE-232.
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@jazzerdave

I like my UERM. Preferred them over the JH13/16, UM Miracle/Merlin/Mage, Westone ES-5 and Audeo PFE-232.

 

Cool.  I'll probably try some more options when I go to RMAF again, but I probably won't be buying anything in the IEM side of things for a while as I don't do all that much listening with them.  Right now, the HE-6, LCD-3, Mad Dog, and ESP-950's are getting the vast majority of head time for me, and I've got an HD800 that should be arriving later this week.

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Yes, that's the best time to try them, almost all the customs manufacturers give 20-30% off at meets and some even bring audiologists to take impressions when you order, which are, naturally, free. The money I saved on my UERM paid for almost my entire trip to RMAF.
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I've been blankly staring at this for the last 10 minutes

 

Twilight Fan Fiction in a Nutshell

 

 

His facial expression is priceless.


Nice :) blankly looking at priceless expressions is what my wife and I were doing while watching these movies. Yes, we watched all of them, so as to understand the phenomenom. I wonder why he always expresses inner turmoil by making a face like he is withholding a fart.

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That's what intrigues me so much about the Floats. They seem to do both of these things simultaneously, cutting through my head like I wasn't even there while still maintaining a definite exterior relative to my position. It's as if I'm in the midst of a performance, but haunting it as a restless spook. Voices in particular seem to pass right through me. It's delightfully unnerving.


Sorry about the stupid question but are the Floats ? The electrostats ?

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:).

WHY LEE?!

 

Wait, you guys serious on getting discounts for CIEMs during meats meets? eek.gif mind=blown

Does it work like that for other gear too?

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WHY LEE?!

 

Wait, you guys serious on getting discounts for CIEMs during meats meets? eek.gif mind=blown

Does it work like that for other gear too?


Fitear gives discounts on the CIEMS during the Fujiya festivals.

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WHY LEE?!

Wait, you guys serious on getting discounts for CIEMs during meats meets? eek.gif
 mind=blown
Does it work like that for other gear too?
No, it's unique to CIEM manufacturers for whatever reason. Occasionally you'll see some discounts on 'normal' gear, but it's pretty much across the board with CIEMs.
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Fitear gives discounts on the CIEMS during the Fujiya festivals.

And I'll never make it to one since they're always in the fall. 

 

Poor C435 and wallet.

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Originally Posted by MrViolin View Post

WHY LEE?!

 

Wait, you guys serious on getting discounts for CIEMs during meats meets? eek.gif mind=blown

Does it work like that for other gear too?


Because "Y" is a crocked letter lol ;)...

 

Certain vendors also have promotions at different times of the year so you may want to keep an eye on that as well. I got my 8As for 25% off.


Edited by lee730 - 3/25/13 at 8:20pm
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And I'll never make it to one since they're always in the fall. 

 

Poor C435 and wallet.


Nope. There is one on the 11th of May.

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