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That was actually my point --- and not just people in education, but people in general.

 

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People are generally dumb. I've come to accept that.

 

Agreed. My point was that... well, we all know that people are generally dumb, but if school principals/directors enforce and focus on getting "educated educators" (:-p), maybe future generations will not suffer what we are suffering right now. (i.e. it's easier focusing on educators first since most childhoods are spent at school, and THEN ppl in general.)

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Agreed. My point was that... well, we all know that people are generally dumb, but if school principals/directors enforce and focus on getting "educated educators" (:-p), maybe future generations will not suffer what we are suffering right now. (i.e. it's easier focusing on educators first since most childhoods are spent at school, and THEN ppl in general.)


It sort of turns into a chicken-and-egg type of feedback loop. Can't change attitudes until people learn, but then you can't learn unless you're at least somewhat willing and general attitudes change. Take sex education for example and topics like condom use. Whether this is even a subject in school is indicative of broader social attitudes. If a teacher decides to just start teaching it on a whim, then that teacher would be fired because the school district doesn't want to deal with the drama of irate parents calling up (just as an example). I wholeheartedly agree that teachers have an important role in bringing about social change, as they are helping to shape the schema of young people. Teachers only have so much power, however. It's also largely up to parents as educators. Before they can even begin to teach social change and tolerance for something like that it has to be approved by society on a larger scale.

 

However I do think sensitivity training is something that could be easily done in this instance.

 

Of course, teachers are only human. They have their own personal convictions, and even if you do "educate" them, that's no guarantee it'll limit that type of behavior. Their own upbringing, culture, and values has a lot to do with it, and that's at a functionally societal level. Consider the example itself: the class was divided into two teams, boys versus girls. I'd say that's actually more of a deeper social thing than a curriculum type of thing. Either way,  K-12 education tends to be more reflective of broader social ignorance in my experience. There's certainly an alarming amount of it in higher education too, but in that instance professors tend to have slightly more freedom when it comes to what they teach.

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However I do think sensitivity training is something that could be easily done in this instance.

 

Every school should have a Social Worker AND an organizational/industrial psychologist at hand to kind of prevent these types of treatment on students.

 

And I get and agree on what you are saying. It is sad though that we might never see this type of behavior change any time soon...

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Just peeping into this thread a little quickie to say hey to you guys. I'm on my third week of being sick, this time with a cough that rips my lungs in two, and a mouth and throat filled with blisters and stuff. I really have no idea what's going on, and I have that nagging feeling that since it's been going on for three weeks, just maybe I should confront my fear of MD's and just call a doctor. Good thing my wife still has her cough medicine even though her pneumonia is over, so I've been taking a bit of that (mmm, ephedrine) along with some NSAIDs to make it easier on me (mostly aspirin though, since it works best on me and isn't as dangerous on the liver as some of those others). Getting tobacco is a hassle, especially when I use only smoke-free tobacco products that are meant to be inside the mouth. Gah.

Anyway, I hope you all are doing great. See ya!
be careful with that...and go see à specialist, they will ******** you less than generalist. And careful with ephedrine...it is too close to cocaine to be all that healthy.
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Apparently in 29 US states you can be fired for being gay.

....And people wonder why I don't post YouTube videos of myself.

From that same article, I was struck by this:

Destin Holmes, now 16, was in middle school when a teacher divided the class into two groups -- boys versus girls -- for a quiz game. The teacher told Destin, an out lesbian who dresses in baggy sweatshirts and track pants, to sit in the center of the class because she was neither male nor female, Destin told me. "Literally, there was girls on this half, the boys on this half -- and I was in the middle," she said. "Instead of participating and getting my grade for the day, I laid my head down (and) cried."

Not only is that a horrible thing to do to someone (singling them out and putting them in the middle to be gawked at on all sides), but it also shows a pretty big conflagration of gender and orientation.
Yeah well the US are a desert of open mindedness apart from a few islands. My sister is gay lives in tue bay area, but apart from there, NY, Portland and a few other places...not so easy...she suffered quite a bit in DC.
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No... what that shows is that there are some members in the "Department of Education" that need some 'educating'....
Recently CNN did a story on two high school jocks and football champs who were charged with raping a student. CNN felt sorry that young boys with such promising futures had their lives ruined...but no mention of the rape victim. Hello America.
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Yeah well the US are a desert of open mindedness apart from a few islands. My sister is gay lives in tue bay area, but apart from there, NY, Portland and a few other places...not so easy...she suffered quite a bit in DC.


I grew up in Texas, which actually wasn't as bad when it came to that sort of thing as some might think. Austin is quite a progressive city (like Portland of the South), and in Houston people are too antisocial and concerned with making money to really care what you're doing with your life.

 

Of course when you get out of the larger cities and go to some of these smaller rural areas in the Texas countryside, all bets are off. For instance people have been hitched to pickup trucks and dragged to death for being different.

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I grew up in Texas, which actually wasn't as bad when it came to that sort of thing as some might think. Austin is quite a progressive city (like Portland of the South), and in Houston people are too antisocial and concerned with making money to really care what you're doing with your life.

Of course when you get out of the larger cities and go to some of these smaller rural areas in the Texas countryside, all bets are off. For instance people have been hitched to pickup trucks and dragged to death for being different.
Some parts.of the US scare me...China is quite different..it is all about appearances. If you get married and have a kid, you can be gay "on.the side" and no one cares. France is a complex thing...as we are a leftist country people pretend to be open minded, until it happens to their kid.
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I gotta say, I'm liking the FAD Heaven C. (Hope James sees this).

 

Sure, its coloured. Real coloured. It's all thick and throaty and the sound reminds me of honey. It has this rich, rich mid-band emphasis and a surprising bass kick (doubly so considering that it's a single BA earphone, it hardly sounds like one). It totally makes the XBA-1 look sheepish as a single BA. For some music it doesn't quite pull it together, just sounding gooey. Other times its nice, mellow but authoritative. Despite the runaround with the trade I'm very happy with it.

 

He sees and likes. wink.gif  Glad you're happy with the Cs after all your hassle with the trade. And once again, be sure to try adding 33 ohms, I think you might like what it does to the bass.

 

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BTW, did you guys notice that FAD came out with a new Heaven V? The "aging" version is pretty cool...

 

Meh, they stole that idea from the EX1000. ph34r.gif

 

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Yeah, I'm tired as well, but not to an extreme level. I don't think it's mono (mono as in mononucleosis?) actually. What I do however suspect is streptococcus, since the kindergarten where we have our kids has had bad outbreaks of that this winter.

 

Most doctors are just fine and I have nothing against them personally, or anything like that. I just often feel that I'm taking up space from someone who really needs help if I go there, and feel a bit ashamed. You know the feeling "Oh, I've just had a cold for a couple of weeks, another week and it'll be over by then - better help this old fellow here who can barely walk" <-- that kind of feeling. Also, it's rarely good news when I go to the doctors, so I guess my brain goes "I know this place, this is where they deliver bad news so best stay out of here and avoid bad news" kind of illogical "logic".

 

Stop overthinking and go see a doctor asap. That's the only logic I can think of. Oh, and get well soon... smile_phones.gif

 

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People are generally dumb. I've come to accept that.

 

Yup, that's pretty much a universal truth. Even the dumbest people I've met agreed on it.

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Recently CNN did a story on two high school jocks and football champs who were charged with raping a student. CNN felt sorry that young boys with such promising futures had their lives ruined...but no mention of the rape victim. Hello America.

 



To be fair, pretty much every media and blog reaction I've read, mostly american-based, have been very critical of CNN.

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78 posts in one night. I refuse to believe in such madness. Well I guess I might as well join some other thread like the stax thread since the anime thread has been quiet lately :/

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Some parts.of the US scare me...China is quite different..it is all about appearances. If you get married and have a kid, you can be gay "on.the side" and no one cares. France is a complex thing...as we are a leftist country people pretend to be open minded, until it happens to their kid.

The 'on the side' arrangement really infuriates me, but then I have read accounts of similar arrangements where there is genuine affection between the married couple despite there being a lack of intimacy. Human beings are complex.
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It sort of turns into a chicken-and-egg type of feedback loop. Can't change attitudes until people learn, but then you can't learn unless you're at least somewhat willing and general attitudes change.

After some thought over the years I've come to the conclusion that completely secular using education without replacing the religious component with ethics or philosophy is a huge mistake for modern society. While I hate the idea of moral prescriptions, at the same time basic ethics and philosophy teach people that some questions just cannot be answered like algebra, and I like to think that it makes people more sensitive to ambiguities and thoughtful inquiries. Ethics/ philosophy and behavioral economics are the two things that I think should be absolutely mandatory from a young age. Most of societies ills today seem to stem from the fact that market mechanisms work well when people believe in making a genuine contribution with their talents, and work badly when people are greedy, corrupt or do not believe in genuine competition. Or they believe that because the strength of their convictions entitles them to press these convictions on others.

In Australia there is actually an effort to introduce ethics classes as elective alternatives to scripture classes, but this has met with strong resistance from religious groups who see it as secular interference. This means that kids who attend religious private schools and do not want to participate in scripture classes literally just sit in classrooms for an hour doing nothing.
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The 'on the side' arrangement really infuriates me, but then I have read accounts of similar arrangements where there is genuine affection between the married couple despite there being a lack of intimacy. Human beings are complex.
After some thought over the years I've come to the conclusion that completely secular using education without replacing the religious component with ethics or philosophy is a huge mistake for modern society. While I hate the idea of moral prescriptions, at the same time basic ethics and philosophy teach people that some questions just cannot be answered like algebra, and I like to think that it makes people more sensitive to ambiguities and thoughtful inquiries. Ethics/ philosophy and behavioral economics are the two things that I think should be absolutely mandatory from a young age. Most of societies ills today seem to stem from the fact that market mechanisms work well when people believe in making a genuine contribution with their talents, and work badly when people are greedy, corrupt or do not believe in genuine competition. Or they believe that because the strength of their convictions entitles them to press these convictions on others.

In Australia there is actually an effort to introduce ethics classes as elective alternatives to scripture classes, but this has met with strong resistance from religious groups who see it as secular interference. This means that kids who attend religious private schools and do not want to participate in scripture classes literally just sit in classrooms for an hour doing nothing.


Still I don't get the "being gay on the side" bit... If anything that's bi-sexual... There is no such thing as being straight and gay. It's bi :P.

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Still I don't get the "being gay on the side" bit... If anything that's bi-sexual... There is no such thing as being straight and gay. It's bi :P.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the labels are invalid, even if they aren't necessarily helpful in complex cases. For sure there are people who are exclusively interested in homosexual or heterosexual relationships.

 

The discussion is made more complex by the idea that sexual orientation can be considered on factors of actual physical intimacy, or on emotional / physical attraction (which are separate things). There's that whole 'men who have sex with men' label, or other efforts to make distinctions along those lines. And that's not even getting into the genderqueer or transgender side of things.

 

Personally I understand the convenience of the labels but after a certain point they become distinctly unhelpful. It's especially a shame when people who should be most aware of the power of labels to discriminate and exclude are strong enforces of labelling and use labelling as a reason to exclude others; ie, the discrimination that bisexuals face in the broader LBGT community.


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Most doctors are just fine and I have nothing against them personally, or anything like that. I just often feel that I'm taking up space from someone who really needs help if I go there, and feel a bit ashamed.

 

Oh... I see.  You didn't get the memo on this.  Right now, it's your turn to be the person that needs help.  wink.gif  That's just how the cosmic lottery works.

 

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I read about it! Must've been awful, and I think Tyll also got something from that CES show. 

 

Snus is lovely ... Do you snus? I'm actually going to quit snus in a week or so. An old promise I made to wife last fall when I ordered my last snus order (which just happened to be... quite a few rolls rolleyes.gif), and now they know it at my work so everyone is kind of on me "This is your last snus, right?". (FYI, I have about 3 tins left from that order).

 

I'm not sure what kind of bug it was, but it literally stopped me in my tracks.  Even now, I'm dealing with projects that were slowed down because I was out of commission.

 

I did snus for a little while, but I stopped mainly because I do quite a bit of oral speaking in my work, and it was getting in the way of my enunciative powers.  The most popular brand around here is General, have you heard of that brand?  Also, a quick question... by the terms of your agreement, what happens if someone gifts you snus?

 

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LOL... but not the Anime thread?

 

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Finally they decided I'd have to go for surgery after all that.. I was so scared. Even had to watch that video on it.... The day came for surgery and it was gone. The doctors didn't understand either lol. Wasn't explainable. I give God all the credit :).

 

He didn't want to see you go through that.  smile.gif  Bet you were happy, happy, happy!

 

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Apparently in 29 US states you can be fired for being gay.

 

I'm not surprised.  Oregon's not one of them right?

 

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....And people wonder why I don't post YouTube videos of myself.

 

Do people actually wonder that?

 

LOL, snap!  Actually, I did wonder that a little bit.

 

I'm somewhat apprehensive about my first vid.  I've agreed to do a video to be featured on a buddy's channel, kind of a guest reviewer thing.  And while I won't be on camera, I've still got the jitters.  I'm basically afraid of doing something like this:

 

 

"Well a very, very hevay - uh - heavy dut bertation tonight.  We had a very darse darrison by it let's go hit taris tazen luss coulda beh the heh the peh."

 

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@ Warren
About your comment involving me getting even more new gear. Lets just say although its not exactly new I do have a deal in the works. Only time will tell if it actually bares fruit action

 

I'm just sayin', general discontent with one's current gear selection is usually the first sign of a new purchase.  Hey, since you and I have somewhat similar gear in one area, lemme ask you a question... don't you wish the K240 and the Q701 would have a kid together?  I'd adopt that little sucker in a millisecond!

 

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On the upside, I'm now one more piece of gear down the rabbit hole....

 

Your profile is empty, so I can't even begin to guess.  Portable or home rig based?

 

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People are generally dumb. I've come to accept that.

 

+1  And this is the part that I don't get.  More often than not, arguments in favor of equal rights for gays and lesbians is framed around that of pointing out obvious merits.  I don't think this is particularly effective because the opposition does not employ reason.  Why can't it just be said that "hey you crazy bigots, while the way you feel is valid, the way you're thinking about is way off the rails and just plain wacky!"  Kinda like this:

 


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