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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I just heard the greatest portable amp I've ever encountered this morning.

 

 

And alas, I can't really talk about it yet. This thing is going to be amazing....


Oh snap, you're going to have me on pins and needles until it finally gets released. If this new amp has anything to do with Nick Leckerton or Pete Millet I'll be the first guy putting my name down on the preorder list. Since you're gagged until release date any idea when it will hit the market.


Alright guys as some of you may know I recently grabbed a Q701 off of the FS forums. The reason I wanted the Q can so badly was to finally get some questions answered. The AKG K/Q701 in my opinion has got to be one of the most highly debated amongst the AKG faithful. There doesn't seem to be any in between with the K series people either seem to really love it or hate it outright. Today I finally received my Q701 and started my first series of tests to see exactly what this headphone was all about. So far the few experiments I've done with it has yielded pretty much what I suspected and affirmed in my mind that one you really don't need a nuclear power plant to drive this can and two the boards seem to be full of a lot of Johnny wanna be Audiophiles who love to throw a lot of BS around involving this can.

 

The first thing I did when I got this can was hook it up to what I like to call my low rider rig. Some days I don't feel like wandering around with a brick in my pocket so instead I opt for a ALO MKII paired straight into my iPod Classic. So how did it sound? Well, I was able to easily drive it to listenable levels and then promptly yanked the headphone off my head and slapped myself to make sure I wasn't having a nightmare. Although Itoru (ALO MKII) easily drove the Q can it sounded like utter rubbish. The lows were anemic with no extension whatsoever while the mids sounded, well no other way to describe it, the mids for a lack of a better word sounded incredibly brittle. What I mean by brittle is the whole sound signature sounded almost disjointed to the point both top and bottom end seemed incoherent in regards to how they transitioned into the mids. I know I'm probably not explaining what I heard very well but please bare with me for a little while longer. On top of the brittle like mids the whole sound signature seemed to be infected with an almost metallic tinge that left vocals sounding shouty. The highs, well the highs were a complete wreck of tinniness and peakiness that felt like someone was driving nails into my skull via my ears. I tried a few songs to see if maybe I could find a halfway happy medium with Itoru but no dice.

 

In disgust I yanked the Q can off and sat back and gave what I just heard a good think. I've easily had Itoru for almost 2 years now and I know she doesn't sound like the nightmare I just heard. Now before I go on I'd like to make perfectly clear that the Q can could probably be judged as passable by the I buy my headphones at WalMart uninformed. Unfortunately I was one of the informed so I knew better and knew the problem was either terrible synergy with Itoru (which I highly doubted) or a very glaring wear link in the chain that was causing the Q can to sound utterly horrid. On a lark I went into my backpack and got out my Studio V. I luckily had the same test tracks on it's internal memory as I had on my iPod so it was an easy task to fire up some of the same music I had already experimented with. What was going to happen next nearly floored me and affirmed that from here on in I was going to keep close company with those on Head-Fi I trusted and no more John Wanna Be Audiophile types. although I had to push the volume to near max the Studio V easily drove my Q can with authority. If that wasn't enough my Q can now sounded like a decent headphone. The brittleness was gone in the mids and the bass now had a little better extension and authority. Feeling I was onto something I rigged up my V Player to Itoru set the volume on the V player to max and gave it a listen. Now the tinniness and spiky highs seemed to be less noticeable and there seemed to be some actual air up top. Overall I was quite pleased with my results and the sound was now quite passable.

 

Long story short I eventually got my Q can to sound like a good headphone. Once I got home I hooked up my CLAS Leckerton combo and fired her up with excellent results. This can really does need a good chain to make it shine well and the CLAS seems to fix a lot of the garbage I was noticing when I was just going with a iPod/amp combo. I can hardly wait until my ALO MKIII B arrives to see what this can will sound like then. Right now I'm guessing the iPod DAC really makes this headphone sound like utter schiit.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 3/19/13 at 10:13pm
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I've heard the K701 a few times and I've never been quite convinced. Maybe I'd like it more now, but it always struck me as... I don't know, somehow 'rubbery' sounding. Like if you took an elastic band and strummed it and used that as the basis of a headphone. As if there was this over smooth mid-band emphasis and not enough micro-detail.

 

I think I'm partly spoiled by the fact that I had a K242HD for a bit and that was just ghastly rubbery. 

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Detail retrieval for me seems to be pretty good. My problem with the Q can so far is some of the music sounds rather forced as in it's not very natural sounding. It's as if an alien computer is trying to imitate music and a mechanical overly computer like rendition of music is coming out. I really need to hook this can up to a nice tube amp. I foresee a Continental  V3 in my near future. The CLAS seems to have done wonders for the Q701 thus far though. Note to self, never use the onboard iPod DAC on a Q can.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 3/19/13 at 10:17pm
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Whatever you do, don't hook it up to an O2.  That pairing is like liquid nitrogen for your ear drums. 
 

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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

Whatever you do, don't hook it up to an O2.  That pairing is like liquid nitrogen for your ear drums. 
 


Lmao, right now I have opamp 209 rolled into Eva and I was contemplating rolling in opamp 8610 to try and give my Q can just a slight touch of warmth. I'm not sure it would be a good idea though. Might just wind up adding a veil to the mids.

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Not necessarily true for audiophiles but still funny

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Alright this is rather interesting. I just started listening to Nik Bartsch Ronin on my Q cans. For those of you who don't know Ronin does minimalist jazz and I find a lot of his work exceptional both production value wise and music fan wise. That forced sound I was talking about before is now gone when I'm playing music from Ronin. Matter of fact the Q701's large sound stage with pinpoint instrument placement clarity makes the music feel more alive. Does what I'm describing make sense to anyone out there?


Edited by DigitalFreak - 3/19/13 at 10:40pm
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UPDATE

I've switched back to the Studio V and it definitely does a very respectable job with the Q can. I can see this pairing slowly growing on me.

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The Q701 is the one pair of cans I have where I don't mind some coloration once in a while.  I'm not saying I don't like analytical on occasion, but I don't like analytical on occasion.  It's kind of like a black and white film... where you admire it for what it is.  But sometimes you want this: 

 

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I just got a reply back from shure and apparently I have been "Misusing the tool". So there is no warranty........ 

Any idea where I could get them reshelled cheaply? and where should I get the mold? How much should everything cost? Should I add another unit?

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Originally Posted by veyrongatti View Post

I just got a reply back from shure and apparently I have been "Misusing the tool". So there is no warranty........ 

Any idea where I could get them reshelled cheaply? and where should I get the mold? How much should everything cost? Should I add another unit?

Inearcustom is the cheapest I know of.

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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Yeah - to really do it right, the same clock source needs to be used throughout the digital chain.

It sort of IS the chain, more or less. Transport, DAC, and preamp built into one unit.
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Thread Starter 

I remember for the longest time people were insisting (and some still do) that the K701 is neutral / uncolored / whatever.

 

There is no truly neutral gear, but the K701 isn't even close.

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The SR-009 w/ SRM-717 is as close to neutral as I've heard with headphones.
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So who wants some "mind-reading" headphones that can supposedly choose music to match your mood?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/mico-headphones-neurowear_n_2902436.html

 

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