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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

Due in part to the discussion last night, as well as this thread, I find myself revisiting the HD650 today.  I feel like everyone's in on some kind of joke except me, and it's really starting to bug me.

 

In particular, I'm running some tracks from The Beautiful South's Blue Is The Colour album.  I had forgotten how much I enjoyed this album until I recently rediscovered it.  Here are some track selections (excuse the poor YT quality):


I gotta say, I'm still not blown away.  The music just doesn't come to life with the HD650.  Bless it's little neodymium heart, it seems to want to, but just can't quite get there.  If I had to sum it up in a word, that word would be meek.

 

Did you give them lots of burn in? I hear they take several hundred hours to fully settle in. Plus as you had mentioned earlier the amp could play a big role on things. But the HD650s are colored. Mid centric with bass emphasis and treble roll off. But I was under the impression it has a rather big sound stage being an open back can? So I'm a  bit baffled by your comments regarding the sound stage being small?

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Nine Inch Nails vs. Call Me Maybe.

 

This is incrediawesome.

 

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/4/4064574/nins-head-like-a-hole-mashed-with-call-me-maybe-is-perfect

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I gotta say, I'm still not blown away.  The music just doesn't come to life with the HD650.  Bless it's little neodymium heart, it seems to want to, but just can't quite get there.  If I had to sum it up in a word, that word would be meek.

 

That's why I'm so glad fate gave me the 600. Most people who I've spoken to that have owned both, all seem to come away with the conclusion that the 650 is too dark to be practical for everything.

I had the HD600 in for over a month. Now have the HD650 for a few months but limited playtime. Based on my music library, amps/sources and listening prefs, I'd keep the latter.

 

That said, they're still not my tea but do have a place in my sessions.

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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

I gotta say, I'm still not blown away.  The music just doesn't come to life with the HD650.  Bless it's little neodymium heart, it seems to want to, but just can't quite get there.  If I had to sum it up in a word, that word would be meek.

 

Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

That's why I'm so glad fate gave me the 600. Most people who I've spoken to that have owned both, all seem to come away with the conclusion that the 650 is too dark to be practical for everything.

 

I listen to a good bit of rock, and a few other semi aggressive genres that require more present treble to be portrayed correctly.

 

Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

Did you give them lots of burn in. I hear they take several hundred hours to fully settle in. Plus as you had mentioned earlier the amp could play a big role on things. But the HD650s are colored. Mid centric with bass emphasis and treble roll off. But I was under the impression it has a rather big sound stage being an open back can? So I'm a  bit baffled by your comments regarding the sound stage being small?

 

Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

 

I had the HD600 in for over a month. Now have the HD650 for a few months but limited playtime. Based on my music library, amps/sources and listening prefs, I'd keep the latter.

 

That said, they're still not my tea but do have a place in my sessions.

 

I'm actually considering the HD600 based on what I've been reading and seeing in HeadRoom's graphs.  I'll have to get in an audition first of course, but it looks like a promising option.

 

I haven't given this specific pair any burn-in at all.  It's a loaner from someone who got it second-hand from someone else, so I presumed that there are quite a few miles on it as-is.  Actually, now that I inspect it, it looks suspiciously new and free of wear and tear.  Should I pink noise it for a hundred hours or so to see if that makes a difference?  Keep in mind that it's not mine.

 

Oh, and I didn't mean to imply that the had a small soundstage.  Rather, I was trying to describe how elements within that stage appear to be far more intimate with me.  Sorry for the confusion there.  Also, I should point out that the other full-size can that's getting my attention lately is a Q701.

 

I'm definitely witholding any/all judgment until I've heard it in an ideal pairing with an amp that has good synergy.  It appears that I'll simply have to wait on this, as I don't know when the next meet (mini or otherwise) will come around.  But I've got time and patience so it's alright.

 

Silent, what about it troubles you?  Is it anything similar to what I've been trying to describe?

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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

Nine Inch Nails vs. Call Me Maybe.

 

This is incrediawesome.

 

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/4/4064574/nins-head-like-a-hole-mashed-with-call-me-maybe-is-perfect

hilarious.

 

at least a few tween-turds will be exposed to classic NIN.

well, not really....

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I have to say, I'm really really really liking the XBA-40. The tweaks have been subtle but meaningful. The XBA-4 was deeply flawed (and as much I liked the XBA-4 I don't think anyone can argue that metallic tinge wasn't just plain odd). The XBA-40 largely corrects that (on a low impedance source anyway) and brings with it a deliciously rounded low-end.

It's still sounds muffled and congested. In fact it probably sounds even moreso now, once the metallic ring is gone. It's by no means balanced, and it quite even possibly qualifies as a basshead IEM.

But I don't think I have ever heard a better earphone for electronica or synthpop. It's visceral and holographic and ethereal. It's detailed but completely non-fatiguing. I think I like it as much if not more than my (now long gone) SM3's.

And at $200 from Amazon.co.jp / Tenso I think it's a steal provided this is the sound you want.
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Is there any difference between the various models or is it just different color options? Took a glance at the thread and ClieOs seems quite taken by them. Odd since he tends to like balanced phones

 

I do, no denying that. However, I also like H-100 for the same reason I like TF10 (*another well love/hate IEM before H-100), except H-100 sounds closer to an ideal curve to me. As I have said in my multi-IEM thread, a V-shaped sound is also the least liked sound signature (I believe I called it the riskiest choice or sort). But to me, that is the kind of sound that is closest to full-size / portable that I like, something along the line of DT1350 with a ZO2. Sometime I like IEM upfront, sometime I like IEM being reference, and sometime I also like IEM V-shaped. Well, different sound for different occasion. I don't listen to Classical with an upfront IEM, or Hip-hop with a reference IEM, or vocal with V-shaped IEM. I can live with just one IEM, but fortunately there is no need to. That's why I have asked a couple of times which IEM is my favourite and I really don't have an (*one) answer.

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After reading all this talk concerning the Sennheiser HD600 vs 650 I'm starting to wonder if maybe looking into the 598 would be a better idea and forgoing the others. I remember Max really liked the 598 and once commented although they didn't finish in first place in any one category once the 2nd and 3rd place finishes were added up they came out ahead for being able to not do anything overly offensive. Hey Max once you have some time could you maybe give me a quick run down of what exactly appeals to you concerning the 598? At least I think it was the 598 and not the 595?


I downloaded the pics from my email this morning before leaving for work. I was sent 3 pics all in high res which I was able to zoom once I had them on my laptop and on my phone. Originally I ordered Black Mamba because I liked the idea of an almost dark shell that had a purple luster when the light hit it a certain way. Upon closer inspection of the pics I've realized the shell with red canals shows a hint of red luster while the shell with blue canals shows a hint of blue luster. At first I was a little put off about it but the more I inspect the picture the more it's starting to grow on me. I also like the fact the colored canals don't look sloppy like some others CIEM's I've seen posted on these boards.


@MF

Sorry for the silly comment earlier involving the other thread etc. I've just seen to many sites where bullies have the run of the place. In any case sorry for overstepping my bounds. I have to admit though the review was incredibly amusing to read.


In the ridiculous category, I just finished messaging a potential buyer (I told him he should look elsewhere) involving my FXT90 and shipping. Did any of you guys know a 4x4x4 inch package weighing 0.125 lbs would cost almost 44 bones Canadian to ship to Brazil and it doesn't even have tracking and would take forever to get there!!! I knew some S American countries it was pricey to ship stuff to but that's so crazy.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 3/4/13 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

After reading all this talk concerning the Sennheiser HD600 vs 650 I'm starting to wonder if maybe looking into the 598 would be a better idea and forgoing the others. I remember Max really liked the 598 and once commented although they didn't finish in first place in any one category once the 2nd and 3rd place finishes were added up they came out ahead for being able to not do anything overly offensive. Hey Max once you have some time could you maybe give me a quick run down of what exactly appeals to you concerning the 598? At least I think it was the 598 and not the 595?


I downloaded the pics from my email this morning before leaving for work. I was sent 3 pics all in high res which I was able to zoom once I had them on my laptop and on my phone. Originally I ordered Black Mamba because I liked the idea of an almost dark shell that had a purple luster when the light hit it a certain way. Upon closer inspection of the pics I've realized the shell with red canals shows a hint of red luster while the shell with blue canals shows a hint of blue luster. At first I was a little put off about it but the more I inspect the picture the more it's starting to grow on me. I also like the fact the colored canals don't look sloppy like some others CIEM's I've seen posted on these boards.


 

Wait a minute are you saying you didn't ask for blue and red tips? I'm trying to understand where you are coming from here? I still think they look nice although I'm more a fan of clear tips on the dark shells :).

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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

After reading all this talk concerning the Sennheiser HD600 vs 650 I'm starting to wonder if maybe looking into the 598 would be a better idea and forgoing the others. I remember Max really liked the 598 and once commented although they didn't finish in first place in any one category once the 2nd and 3rd place finishes were added up they came out ahead for being able to not do anything overly offensive. Hey Max once you have some time could you maybe give me a quick run down of what exactly appeals to you concerning the 598? At least I think it was the 598 and not the 595?


I downloaded the pics from my email this morning before leaving for work. I was sent 3 pics all in high res which I was able to zoom once I had them on my laptop and on my phone. Originally I ordered Black Mamba because I liked the idea of an almost dark shell that had a purple luster when the light hit it a certain way. Upon closer inspection of the pics I've realized the shell with red canals shows a hint of red luster while the shell with blue canals shows a hint of blue luster. At first I was a little put off about it but the more I inspect the picture the more it's starting to grow on me. I also like the fact the colored canals don't look sloppy like some others CIEM's I've seen posted on these boards.

 

I have the 598; I like it a lot as well, but it doesn't "scale up" as well as something like the HD650; it pretty much runs at 90+ % of its potential even with a rudimentary setup and won't really get as much out of an advanced setup. I've heard 650s sound like crud, and heard awesome 650s as well. I like it most, though, because right now I really don't have the space to run a big huge Liquid Fire or whatever (nor can I afford one), so the 598 still sounds great with my tiny little amps.

 

I wouldn't put too much stock into those pictures. While Heir has improved on their photography, it still isn't their strong suit (not good news, considering they use looks to sell their products). I don't think you'll be disappointed when you finally see it in person. Strange that your bores are so far onto one side, though, but it looks like they were trying to minimize curvature of the sound tubes. Also, it's difficult to see exactly how your canals are shaped, even in those pictures, it should just be that the bore face is orthogonal to the canal axis at the point of termination.

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Well, as there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that my signal path sucks ass right now, I'll have to hold off on any definitive HD650 impressions for now.  Ugh, first-world problems...

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Someone around town should drop off a piece of kit for you. Some head-fiers are so flushed with gears, they don't even dust anymore. biggrin.gif Might as well loan some stuff out.

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Someone around town should drop off a piece of kit for you. Some head-fiers are so flushed with gears, they don't even dust anymore. biggrin.gif Might as well loan some stuff out.

 

Strangely enough, I don't know all that many guys locally.  I know that purrin and Anax are local, but they certainly don't know me well enough to loan me gear.  I wouldn't even feel comfortable asking.

 

But, I've been thinking about getting one of these for a long time:  http://www.head-fi.org/t/537704/calling-all-vintage-integrated-receiver-owners/2040#post_7624510  It's within my amp budget, and the thing just looks gorgeous.  Think it'll have any problems driving cans?

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Thank you very much Max beerchug.gif

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

Wait a minute are you saying you didn't ask for blue and red tips? I'm trying to understand where you are coming from here? I still think they look nice although I'm more a fan of clear tips on the dark shells :).

I ordered the colored canals but the dark mamba from what I researched was supposed to have a purple luster but instead they seem to have the luster of the canals. If you go on the Heir site and run your mouse over the black mamba (far right second last row) you'll see on the bottom of the picture the description of "deep blue purple, almost black (barely transparent)". I'm not really complaining I actually like what I'm seeing it just surprised me is all. Like Tom said though, photography isn't Heirs strong suit so maybe it's just bad photography. Either way I doubt I'll be disappointed but at first I did wonder if they had taken a red and blue shell and painted it with a coat of black mamba? From the pics the shells do seem to have a barely transparent see through quality about them though so I'm kind of doubting it. If they had double coated the shells the shells would be solid black with no luster or transparency of any kind.

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I have the 598; I like it a lot as well, but it doesn't "scale up" as well as something like the HD650; it pretty much runs at 90+ % of its potential even with a rudimentary setup and won't really get as much out of an advanced setup. I've heard 650s sound like crud, and heard awesome 650s as well. I like it most, though, because right now I really don't have the space to run a big huge Liquid Fire or whatever (nor can I afford one), so the 598 still sounds great with my tiny little amps.

 

I wouldn't put too much stock into those pictures. While Heir has improved on their photography, it still isn't their strong suit (not good news, considering they use looks to sell their products). I don't think you'll be disappointed when you finally see it in person. Strange that your bores are so far onto one side, though, but it looks like they were trying to minimize curvature of the sound tubes. Also, it's difficult to see exactly how your canals are shaped, even in those pictures, it should just be that the bore face is orthogonal to the canal axis at the point of termination.

I have very weird ears. When I insert my EX600 I have to angle the nozzle a certain way to get a proper seal and give them a good push to get a nice deep insertion of they eventually pop out. If I don't angle them correctly the tips rub against the side of my canals midway in and the sound signature becomes muffled. It's the same thing with my W4 and my K2 sp although for whatever reason the complys on my K2 sp seem to line up better then with my W4 complys and all my other IEM's. With the W4 the whole housing sits weirdly angled and is wresting on the bottom of my antitragus. Because my canals are so weird I usually stay away from IEM's that I have to wear down and gravitate towards over ear setups. They seem to work better for me seal wise. The X10 for example was designed to be worn down and that thing was a pain in the arse for me to get a proper fit. I usually would just wear then over ear anyways but they would jut out of my ears at weird angles looking completely ridiculous. That's one of the reasons why I've been hot and cold about getting customs made. The fear is that my canals are to angled to ever get a proper fit or that it would be a huge pain to get them properly inserted because of my weird angled canals. Of coarse on the other side of the fence the back of my mind keeps thinking maybe customs could be the answer to ending the constant fidgeting I seem to go through when I first get a new IEM. Once I've had the IEM awhile I can get the proper angle within 30 seconds but the first few days it's a hassle.

 

In your opinion Tom which of your amps make your 598 sound it's best? Considering I'm a mobile amp guy myself the 598 is sounding more up my alley.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 3/4/13 at 10:57pm
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