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:3 so us animu thread members have come here too, I see. 

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My friend told me that I should have accidentally dropped the phone on the sharp corner of my desk, screen down...accidentally.

 

 

Overall, I'm not judging the TP itself. I'm judging the behavior of the ones who are opposed to talking about it in a rational way, claiming that subjective enjoyment matters above all. I believe both sides are inseparable, like the colors in an oil painting blend together at the edges. Afterall, science is an art, and art is a science.


You have a point but also the objective-extremist was really pushing it too far. I mean others have tried measuring the unit. It is not as simple as plug and play. I tried myself and followed the directions to a T and still could not properly measure my DX100 at the time (which is suppose to measure flat). I was able to do a proper test on the sound card itself though which came out excellent and very good across the board....

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Unless we're talking about Joe Grados.
Have yet to experience any of the legendary Joes. Look forward to the day when I can.
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I'm a student, and I find this offensive  smile.gif


I understand what you're saying though. It seems that the ability to distinguish between opinion/fact, and knowing that there are gray areas between right and wrong, is one of the last hurdles one has to overcome before reaching maturity.

DF, that wasn't even close to giving him a piece of my mind. I wanted to say some things, but I remembered the forum rules...rolleyes.gif

Ahh that university student hubris... I'm one too and I've seen, and been, this stubborn in many an argument.
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I really don't mean to dismiss anyone's experience with amps if they genuinely don't hear a difference between them. The only reason I even had a reactive "twitch" in the first place was seeing AMB getting trashed. And not because I'm some AMB fan (I sold my B22 quite happily), but rather because it's something you see all the time among certain dedicated O2 fans. Something the creator of the O2 just so happened to be very vocal about. I was mainly curious if this latest batch of comments was actually based on personal experience or not. This time it was, so I was pretty content to just move on with a playful nudge. Only I miscalculated, and it opened up a whole boring cascade of rehashed nonsense. That's really what my "not having synergy" comment was about. I obviously didn't know there were so many O2 fans there. I'm not on any sort of personal crusade, and I honestly don't care enough to try to "convert" people to my views. I have no delusions of being some head-fi messiah. So I try to ignore that sort of engagement, as no real good can come from it.

Anyway, this whole thing seems a little weird to me, because it's actually not something certain well-known objectivists even advocated in the first place. It comes from a misunderstanding of what said individual said. A certain someone never said all opamps sound the same. Stick a different opamp in the O2 and it'll change it's sound, in fact! What was said is that opamps are misused when used for such purposes. That you're paying a lot of money for "distortion" with high end amps that are colored. That argument isn't the same as "all amps sound the same." The actual argument should be "all good amps sound the same." Which I still don't agree with, but at least makes sense. Irony being there's a pretty strong subjective facet in this argument (which is probably why some objectivists turn it into a completely objective---albeit weird---argument of "all amps sound the same"). And that's just it. It never was an absolute scientific statement, but rather one ideology versus another.

I think it's fair to say that most of the cultists are of university aged or lower, or being educated enough to have New Student Hubris. Good that b1o has had experience with the B22 (which he is building right now btw; 2 in fact IIRC) so I guess he has some base to go off of.
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The times I've read anything written by nwavguy can be counted on one crippled hand.

havefunwithstereotypes.jpg

moving on... wink.gif

Sorry joe, but I have to side with the Diary Thread on this one. I'm going to risk that you're the one that started on the stereotype attack first.
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Talking about objectivism and subjectivism, I did once post on the Anime thread that the MDR-1R is only worth it if you are willing to spend extra on an aftermarket cable. I know this because I've tried an 1R with the stock cable and compared it with a Mogami Quad Microphone Cable and the sound was quite noticeably better on the Mogami cable. The bass is more controlled and the treble is a bit more defined.
After I posted this remark on the Anime thread, obviously someone then began to mumble that cables don't make jack of a difference and that it's just snake oil. I didn't want to argue back then but my point is, believing if cables make a difference kind of determines if you're on the objective or on the subjective camp. I believe that high end cables do make a difference up to a certain price point. Even Tyll, to a certain point, believes that it does make a difference even if his measurements between different cables seems to contradict him.
I tried 2 different ALO cables for my HE-500, a custom 16 braid Reference 16 cable and the Salty Pepper cable. The Ref 16 did make the sound lusher and more laid back but it did have a much broader and more realistic soundstage.
If cables didn't make a difference, then we would have coat wire hangers as cables on the HD800.

I'm still waiting for this experience. But considering this hobby, the "changing point" for such a component that affects at best 20% (ass-pulled number I know) of the sound quality is quite high in the price point, or so some claimed. If the cable being more expensive, heck, or even half the price of the headphone, I don't view that as worth it IMO. But, with that said, I'm still open to hearing things out, just that there's a much better way to change sound than through cables.
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lol Muppet. Dark humor wink.gif. Some of the hardcore objectivists have been getting extra irritating as of late.... Like the EQ can make your Sansa Clip sound exactly like a DX100 or Hifiman 601.... Give me a break....rolleyes.gif It's nothing more than over-simplifying the concept of sound.


At the same time I cringe and reflexively want to combat those who make extraordinary claims about their expensive gear. I bring up the Tera player again as an example, where the owners (I feel like I should narrow this down to only the ones who are most vocal on the TP thread) speak of nothing more than the "emotional connection" the TP brings to their music. This would seem like the FAD Piano Forte series, where you know that the phones have an extreme coloration that works magic with some types of music, and wreaks havoc on the rest. The problem is that no one describes just what the TP sounds like, other than the recent comments by James stating that they have a bass roll-off that works especially well with the Senn IE800. It seems the only way to get a sense of what you're dealing with is to buy into the club, unless you have a benevolent friend.

The human mind is a funny thing though. I honestly didn't get the fuss about the FI-BA-SS (I feel like I need to hear it again though, as so many owners, whose ears I respect, can't possibly be wrong), but the FADs James had on tour floored me, and I'm going to buy a set if it's the last ****ing thing I do. That's why I reserve judgement just a tiny bit when it comes to things like that.

Pre-existing bias also plays a massive role in our everyday lives, not just audio. I remember doing projects where I'd medicate people who had headaches. Some got actual meds, and some got starch tablets. Interestingly enough, the ones who got the placebo also claimed to feel better. This blew my mind. I fully expect the same thing can happen here. People go into something expecting something to be better/different, and they hear it. Also, like MF mentioned, one can also ignore differences as the result of expectation bias.


Maybe I'm just a bit jaded after 2 years of reading "OMMMGGGG!!! This is the best evaaarrr", buying the product, only to end up getting it and going "meh." 
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I'm also pretty fed up with humanity in general. Here's what happened to me a few hours ago:

Tonight I found a phone that the owner dropped in front of the library. I posted a status on her facebook (through her phone), called her sister, and left my phone number anywhere I thought she could find it. An hour later I got a call from a campus police officer who talked to me in an accusatory tone. A few minutes later she was in my office. She looked at me as if I had stolen her phone, and barely managed to grunt out "thanks."


People disgust me sometimes.

Well I'm already jaded (i think) seeing as all of this unintentional warring looks like This Political Party vs That Political Party from my country. Why must I found something I really hate in a hobby that's kind of awesome. /sigh


All this depressing talk..

Here have a song that's based on humanity dying out soon, and that there's hope still:


Go back to your holes anime threaders!!! >:-(
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Go back to your holes anime threaders!!! >:-(

Says a fellow anime thread member...

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Thread Starter 

All anime thread members are welcome, provided they observe our customs and ways. Observing periods of remembrance for the Turtles, for example.

 

 

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Go back to your holes anime threaders!!! >:-(
Says a fellow anime thread member...

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I really want to vacuum right now but its 3 in the morning and my walls are paper thing........ sigh.

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I really want to vacuum right now but its 3 in the morning and my walls are paper thing........ sigh.


lmao!

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I'll be getting a neat-o amp soon, the ECP Black Diamond. You can read all about it here. What makes this amp so unique is that is uses transformers to increase signal voltage rather than tubes and resistors. The designer made two of them. A head-fi buddy of mine is getting the blue acrylic one, whereas I'm getting the metal and wood one.

 

 

 

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I'll be getting a neat-o amp soon, the ECP Black Diamond. You can read all about it here. What makes this amp so unique is that is uses transformers to increase signal voltage rather than tubes and resistors. The designer made two of them. A head-fi buddy of mine is getting the blue acrylic one, whereas I'm getting the metal and wood one.

Dat volume knob...
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I really like that blue one.
 

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The cases are actually pretty interesting. The side panels were made using a laser cutter and a template, basically making a bunch of small "2-D" (okay, really thin 3-D) cutouts that are then stacked one on top of the other. 

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I really want to vacuum right now but its 3 in the morning and my walls are paper thing........ sigh.

In the event blink.gif of an emergency clean up, then what...would you wait? Or you're simply feelin' it @ this hour?

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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I'll be getting a neat-o amp soon, the ECP Black Diamond. You can read all about it here. What makes this amp so unique is that is uses transformers to increase signal voltage rather than tubes and resistors. The designer made two of them. A head-fi buddy of mine is getting the blue acrylic one, whereas I'm getting the metal and wood one.
That is really cool! Can't wait for your thoughts.
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