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I mean it's totally not possible people can gain experience as they invest more time doing something. That would be crazy.

 

Unless we're talking about reading certain blogs. Then we can gradually ascend the ladder to Objectivist Heaven.


lol Muppet. Dark humor ;). Some of the hardcore objectivists have been getting extra irritating as of late.... Like the EQ can make your Sansa Clip sound exactly like a DX100 or Hifiman 601.... Give me a break....rolleyes.gif It's nothing more than over-simplifying the concept of sound.


Edited by lee730 - 2/18/13 at 9:01pm
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Alright, like I said I don't have a lot of death the sub genre isn't really my forte. Heavy metal, progressive, symphonic, older thrash and a lot of technical and melodic death is more up my alley. In any case the bands Nile, Atrophia Red Sun, Quo Vadis (Canadian band not the Polish one) Necronomicon, and Alethian sound rather stellar on the M-100. I tried the odd Opeth song and most of it sounded like crap although the odd vocal growl here and there sounded not to bad. In Vain also sounded like crap as did Martyr and Becoming the Archetype. Mind you Becoming the Archetype is more death like vocals with a more metalcore like sound so it wasn't to surprising to me the music didn't work very well with the M-100. Kataklysm, some of it sounded stellar but some of their music sounded a bit off on the M-100. It's just not fast enough in it's mids and lows in how it handles guitars and the northern sound blast style of drumming. It's decay in the mids and lows is just to slow and the music can become a smeared mess in certain spots It's especially obvious when the drummer kicks it up a notch and pounds as fast as humanly possible on the bass drum and floor tom ( and other toms) which is a important element in northern sound blast drumming. It's interesting though, Niles drummer isn't known for being slow and neither is Quo Vadis. I'm wondering if it's a case of bad source or if the Kataklysm drummer is actually that much faster then the Quo Vadis drummer. Up until now I've always thought the drummer in Quo Vadis was one of the most capable the Canadian metal scene had but after tonight I'm starting to think the Kataklysm drummer might be that much better.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 2/18/13 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by driver 8 View Post

ipod -> ES5 is more tolerable for some of my music than my more elaborate home systems, I'd have to say.  Also, I often find myself getting more engrossed in a thing with Conductor -> LCD 3 than NAD M51 -> ECBA -> HD800's.  Of course the latter is more rewarding with other stuff, but yeah.  I could never dwindle my collection down to the most accurate or revealing stuff because some of it just sounds better with a warmer presentation.

 

I'm pretty sure I can get your LCD3 to sound the best with all your collection with my setup:

From left to right: ReaFIR spectral compressor acting as de-esser, system wide VST host (Cantabile Lite) control panel, individual parametric EQ for left and right channels

 

Harshness in recordings are mostly brought out / excerbated by uneven peaks in headphones' frequency response--I find the frequency and magnitude of these peaks using methods outlined here

http://www.head-fi.org/t/413900/how-to-equalize-your-headphones-a-tutorial (written by PiccoloNamek)

http://www.head-fi.org/t/615417/how-to-equalize-your-headphones-advanced-tutorial-in-progress (written by me)

 

This pretty much tames out all equipment-related harshness and a complete retuning of the frequency response makes every headphone in my collection (none of which are that expensive) sound better than anything I've auditioned without a custom parametric EQ (and that includes heavyweights such as the legendary Sony R10).

 

Nevertheless there will always be recordings that hit you with ice-picks of sibilance, this is where the spectral compressor on the left comes in.  It acts as a spectrum analyzer and infinite-band compressor at the same time.  See what frequencies are spiking causing unplesantness in real time, squish it with the compressor.  I leave it on a default setting which is bit-transparent unless treble levels hit the predefined discomfort zone, at which point it will kick in automagically.

 

With these enhancements in place the first post in this thread sums up my thoughts on listening to the most expensive headphones I can get my hands on "dry" vs just about just about any phones in my budget collection with the enhancements in place (ie. they suck).  Now imagine how much more I care about boutique amps, which by all accounts make less difference than headphones to start with.

 

I did upgrade to the Fiio E17 which in my limited testing has the most gain of portable DAC/amps in my price range to drive hard-to-drive headphone-EQ combos. (headphones that are relatively insensitive AND have big nulls in the frequency response, combined with the all-cut-no-boost EQ rule, can make for some very power hungry combinations) That's a purchase I'm happy with.


Edited by Joe Bloggs - 2/18/13 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


lol Muppet. Dark humor ;). Some of the hardcore objectivists have been getting extra irritating as of late.... Like the EQ can make your Sansa Clip sound exactly like a DX100 or Hifiman 601.... Give me a break....rolleyes.gif It's nothing more than over-simplifying the concept of sound.

 

 

At the same time I cringe and reflexively want to combat those who make extraordinary claims about their expensive gear. I bring up the Tera player again as an example, where the owners (I feel like I should narrow this down to only the ones who are most vocal on the TP thread) speak of nothing more than the "emotional connection" the TP brings to their music. This would seem like the FAD Piano Forte series, where you know that the phones have an extreme coloration that works magic with some types of music, and wreaks havoc on the rest. The problem is that no one describes just what the TP sounds like, other than the recent comments by James stating that they have a bass roll-off that works especially well with the Senn IE800. It seems the only way to get a sense of what you're dealing with is to buy into the club, unless you have a benevolent friend.

 

The human mind is a funny thing though. I honestly didn't get the fuss about the FI-BA-SS (I feel like I need to hear it again though, as so many owners, whose ears I respect, can't possibly be wrong), but the FADs James had on tour floored me, and I'm going to buy a set if it's the last ****ing thing I do. That's why I reserve judgement just a tiny bit when it comes to things like that.

 

Pre-existing bias also plays a massive role in our everyday lives, not just audio. I remember doing projects where I'd medicate people who had headaches. Some got actual meds, and some got starch tablets. Interestingly enough, the ones who got the placebo also claimed to feel better. This blew my mind. I fully expect the same thing can happen here. People go into something expecting something to be better/different, and they hear it. Also, like MF mentioned, one can also ignore differences as the result of expectation bias.

 

 

Maybe I'm just a bit jaded after 2 years of reading "OMMMGGGG!!! This is the best evaaarrr", buying the product, only to end up getting it and going "meh." rolleyes.gif

 


I'm also pretty fed up with humanity in general. Here's what happened to me a few hours ago:

 

Tonight I found a phone that the owner dropped in front of the library. I posted a status on her facebook (through her phone), called her sister, and left my phone number anywhere I thought she could find it. An hour later I got a call from a campus police officer who talked to me in an accusatory tone. A few minutes later she was in my office. She looked at me as if I had stolen her phone, and barely managed to grunt out "thanks."

 

People disgust me sometimes.


Edited by eke2k6 - 2/18/13 at 9:38pm
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Pretty disgraceful behavior.

About a month ago, a customer left their iphone 5 at my store. I knew who it was and looked up their account for their address. They only lived about 2 miles away so I drove to their house after we closed and dropped it off to them and they were very grateful because they had been all over town to the shops they had been to and couldn't find it. Just a few days ago, the lady who owned the phone came to my store and handed me a $25 gift card to AMC theaters as a token of her appreciation for my deed. I was happy to have just reunited her with her phone, but the gift card was very generous.
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

 

At the same time I cringe and reflexively want to combat those who make extraordinary claims about their expensive gear. I bring up the Tera player again as an example, where the owners (I feel like I should narrow this down to only the ones who are most vocal on the TP thread) speak of nothing more than the "emotional connection" the TP brings to their music. This would seem like the FAD Piano Forte series, where you know that the phones have an extreme coloration that works magic with some types of music, and wreaks havoc on the rest. The problem is that no one describes just what the TP sounds like, other than the recent comments by James stating that they have a bass roll-off that works especially well with the Senn IE800. It seems the only way to get a sense of what you're dealing with is to buy into the club, unless you have a benevolent friend.

 

The human mind is a funny thing though. I honestly didn't get the fuss about the FI-BA-SS (I feel like I need to hear it again though, as so many owners can't possibly be wrong), but the FADs James had on tour floored me, and I'm going to buy a set if it's the last ****ing thing I do. That's why I reserve judgement just a tiny bit when it comes to things like that.

 

Pre-existing bias also plays a massive role in our everyday lives, not just audio. I remember doing projects where I'd medicate people who had headaches. Some got actual meds, and some got starch tablets. Interestingly enough, the ones who got the placebo also claimed to feel better. This blew my mind. I fully expect the same thing can happen here. People go into something expecting something to be better/different, and they hear it. Also, like MF mentioned, one can also ignore differences as the result of expectation bias.

 

 

Maybe I'm just a bit jaded after 2 years of reading "OMMMGGGG!!! This is the best evaaarrr", buying the product, only to end up getting it and going "meh." rolleyes.gif

 

It's all a matter of degree, there's this Chinese proverb that goes something like "He who ran screaming away (from something scary) for 50 paces shall not laugh at the one who ran for 100 paces".

 

There you are laughing at the Tera player owners and the Clip owners, and I'm sorta laughing at you laughing at the Clip owners.  But I'm thinking that maybe the only sane people audio-wise are those rocking out to their favourite tunes on dollar store earbuds on the crappy Galaxy S2 tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

 

At the same time I cringe and reflexively want to combat those who make extraordinary claims about their expensive gear. I bring up the Tera player again as an example, where the owners (I feel like I should narrow this down to only the ones who are most vocal on the TP thread) speak of nothing more than the "emotional connection" the TP brings to their music. This would seem like the FAD Piano Forte series, where you know that the phones have an extreme coloration that works magic with some types of music, and wreaks havoc on the rest. The problem is that no one describes just what the TP sounds like, other than the recent comments by James stating that they have a bass roll-off that works especially well with the Senn IE800. It seems the only way to get a sense of what you're dealing with is to buy into the club, unless you have a benevolent friend.

 

The human mind is a funny thing though. I honestly didn't get the fuss about the FI-BA-SS (I feel like I need to hear it again though, as so many owners can't possibly be wrong), but the FADs James had on tour floored me, and I'm going to buy a set if it's the last ****ing thing I do. That's why I reserve judgment just a tiny bit when it comes to things like that.

 

Pre-existing bias also plays a massive role in our everyday lives, not just audio. I remember doing projects where I'd medicate people who had headaches. Some got actual meds, and some got starch tablets. Interestingly enough, the ones who got the placebo also claimed to feel better. This blew my mind. I fully expect the same thing can happen here. People go into something expecting something to be better/different, and they hear it. Also, like MF mentioned, one can also ignore differences as the result of expectation bias.

 

 

Maybe I'm just a bit jaded after 2 years of reading "OMMMGGGG!!! This is the best evaaarrr", buying the product, only to end up getting it and going "meh." rolleyes.gif

 


I'm also pretty fed up with humanity in general. Here's what happened to me a few hours ago:

 

Tonight I found a phone that the owner dropped in front of the library. I posted a status on her facebook (through her phone), called her sister, and left my phone number anywhere I thought she could find it. An hour later I got a call from a campus police officer who talked to me in an accusatory tone. A few minutes later she was in my office. She looked at me as if I had stolen her phone, and barely managed to grunt out "thanks."

 

People disgust me sometimes.


To be fair eke until we hear the Tear player for ourselves we can't fully pass judgment on it either. There must be some merit to it being several owners of even the DX100 along side this particular unit prefering the Tera player (not all the time but a lot of the time). That alone has me very curious to at least hear it and I should later on this year. Thing is I won't be going into thinking it will floor me or that it won't . I just go into it with an open mind. But still would have some negative thoughts on it as there is no screen and such so it is very limited in usage. But at least from what I gather it is a very musical player. I was under the impression from early comments that is had roll off in its frequencies, more so in the treble as it is said to be non-fatiguing and easy to listen to for hours at a time. I felt the same way about the Hifiman 601 and indeed it has rolled off treble. But hearing the Tera has rolled off bass was a bit of a surprise to me....

 

Wow that lady sounds like a real bitch. I'd have said thank you without question. If you meant to steal the phone you would not have even tried to make contact. She was probably upset that you even opened her phone up and probably expected you to just drop it off at the police station. Some people I tell ya.....


Edited by lee730 - 2/18/13 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

 

At the same time I cringe and reflexively want to combat those who make extraordinary claims about their expensive gear. I bring up the Tera player again as an example, where the owners (I feel like I should narrow this down to only the ones who are most vocal on the TP thread) speak of nothing more than the "emotional connection" the TP brings to their music. This would seem like the FAD Piano Forte series, where you know that the phones have an extreme coloration that works magic with some types of music, and wreaks havoc on the rest. The problem is that no one describes just what the TP sounds like, other than the recent comments by James stating that they have a bass roll-off that works especially well with the Senn IE800. It seems the only way to get a sense of what you're dealing with is to buy into the club, unless you have a benevolent friend.

 

The human mind is a funny thing though. I honestly didn't get the fuss about the FI-BA-SS (I feel like I need to hear it again though, as so many owners, whose ears I respect, can't possibly be wrong), but the FADs James had on tour floored me, and I'm going to buy a set if it's the last ****ing thing I do. That's why I reserve judgement just a tiny bit when it comes to things like that.

 

Pre-existing bias also plays a massive role in our everyday lives, not just audio. I remember doing projects where I'd medicate people who had headaches. Some got actual meds, and some got starch tablets. Interestingly enough, the ones who got the placebo also claimed to feel better. This blew my mind. I fully expect the same thing can happen here. People go into something expecting something to be better/different, and they hear it. Also, like MF mentioned, one can also ignore differences as the result of expectation bias.

 

 

Maybe I'm just a bit jaded after 2 years of reading "OMMMGGGG!!! This is the best evaaarrr", buying the product, only to end up getting it and going "meh." rolleyes.gif

 


I'm also pretty fed up with humanity in general. Here's what happened to me a few hours ago:

 

Tonight I found a phone that the owner dropped in front of the library. I posted a status on her facebook (through her phone), called her sister, and left my phone number anywhere I thought she could find it. An hour later I got a call from a campus police officer who talked to me in an accusatory tone. A few minutes later she was in my office. She looked at me as if I had stolen her phone, and barely managed to grunt out "thanks."

 

People disgust me sometimes.

You did the right thing although I agree she acted like an arrogant pig. Most people would have just yanked the SIM and either kept the phone for themselves or sold it. If neither of those options worked they would have just chucked the phone into the nearest garbage. Be happy you're above all that

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My friend told me that I should have accidentally dropped the phone on the sharp corner of my desk, screen down...accidentally.

 

 

Overall, I'm not judging the TP itself. I'm judging the behavior of the ones who are opposed to talking about it in a rational way, claiming that subjective enjoyment matters above all. I believe both sides are inseparable, like the colors in an oil painting blend together at the edges. Afterall, science is an art, and art is a science.

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IMO, Grados are non-audiophile-approved equipment. biggrin.gif

 

Unless we're talking about Joe Grados.

 

 


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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

The times I've read anything written by nwavguy can be counted on one crippled hand.

havefunwithstereotypes.jpg

moving on... wink.gif

 

 

Speaking of having fun with stereotypes, I have a guess as to why that one hand is crippled. : 3

 

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Re: Mobile girl & eke2k6

 

It's quite possible that she's a decent person. That became overwhelmed with fear, anxiety and discomfort. And simply could not function well under the circumstances. 


Edited by Silent One - 2/18/13 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

 

I'm pretty sure I can get your LCD3 to sound the best with all your collection with my setup:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

From left to right: ReaFIR spectral compressor acting as de-esser, system wide VST host (Cantabile Lite) control panel, individual parametric EQ for left and right channels

 

Harshness in recordings are mostly brought out / excerbated by uneven peaks in headphones' frequency response--I find the frequency and magnitude of these peaks using methods outlined here

http://www.head-fi.org/t/413900/how-to-equalize-your-headphones-a-tutorial (written by PiccoloNamek)

http://www.head-fi.org/t/615417/how-to-equalize-your-headphones-advanced-tutorial-in-progress (written by me)

 

This pretty much tames out all equipment-related harshness and a complete retuning of the frequency response makes every headphone in my collection (none of which are that expensive) sound better than anything I've auditioned without a custom parametric EQ (and that includes heavyweights such as the legendary Sony R10).

 

Nevertheless there will always be recordings that hit you with ice-picks of sibilance, this is where the spectral compressor on the left comes in.  It acts as a spectrum analyzer and infinite-band compressor at the same time.  See what frequencies are spiking causing unplesantness in real time, squish it with the compressor.  I leave it on a default setting which is bit-transparent unless treble levels hit the predefined discomfort zone, at which point it will kick in automagically.

 

With these enhancements in place the first post in this thread sums up my thoughts on listening to the most expensive headphones I can get my hands on "dry" vs just about just about any phones in my budget collection with the enhancements in place (ie. they suck).  Now imagine how much more I care about boutique amps, which by all accounts make less difference than headphones to start with.

 

I did upgrade to the Fiio E17 which in my limited testing has the most gain of portable DAC/amps in my price range to drive hard-to-drive headphone-EQ combos. (headphones that are relatively insensitive AND have big nulls in the frequency response, combined with the all-cut-no-boost EQ rule, can make for some very power hungry combinations) That's a purchase I'm happy with.

 

 

 

I hope one day I can understand how to work a setup like that one day. I tried (albeit not very hard) and failed. 

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I'm going to crash for the night. I got a long day at work tomorrow and I'm guessing it's going to be another long miserable cold day tomorrow like today was. for the last day in a half we've had a bitter north wind hitting us and it's made life outside a rather trying affair. I was lucky I had today off but tomorrow is the start of my workweek. Night guys and you all take care of yourselves. See you all tomorrow when I get home and out of the deep freeze.

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Cheers DF! Good thing you got good music as your salvation.

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Anyone know if it's possible to put a hyperlink into your "location" in your profile? There's an article I'd love to link to that explains the context of my location...

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