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I agree, but the restrained praise itself is a bit damning. Industry insiders like Tyll know better than to preemptively pan new products based on prototypes, because there's no good point to nipping in the bud something still in development and presumably undergoing improvement. But for being among the most expensive headphones in production they could use a bit more praise behind them than "promising" to get me interested.
I think it's interesting mostly that the appearance is entirely different now but the price is exactly the same. I like the appearance more now -- the spider web design was silly -- though it looks unfinished, like a metal shop Stax knockoff. JDS could benefit from getting an industrial designer to consult on this, because they seem to be flailing for a design.

 

To me they look like the lovechild of the SR-009 and TakeT H2+. Maybe that's why I like them so much? Really though, I think this is very much a case of form following function. Even the goofy spiderweb design had a purpose in acting as a diffuser. The box-like look of the arc assembly comes from having both horizontal and vertical adjustments, which I think is actually pretty cool.

 

I do agree regarding the restraint thing: for something so expensive to be "okay" or even "pretty darn good" is not particularly inspiring, and the whole thing snowballs and becomes a bigger issue versus what it would be otherwise. Therein lies one of those conundrums with regard to impressions: people going into an audition may be expecting middling performance from the outset, the mindset that they couldn't possibly measure up to their price. I suppose that's something of an opposite to the much more commonly discussed halo effect among people who paid great sums of their own money.

 

A buddy of mine---someone with a lot of experience listening to and repairing orthos---really liked the sound of the Abyss. He described them as having a bit of the character of high-end horn speakers (not the vintage horn speakers of FAD however ... lol). I keep harping on the engineering behind these, but it has a few ortho lovers I know rather excited. It would be nice if some of that could "trickle down" to a more reasonably priced device.

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Yeah. I've not been paying much attention to the Abyss; unless they can drive the price down without diluting its qualities, it's mostly not going to be relevant to my interests. The price point seems calculated and deliberately high; I know that appearance is not the point, performance is, but appearance is also a form of emotional reinforcement for the performance; it doesn't make the thing sound better, it makes me feel better about the thing because it implies to me that the designer considered all aspects of the thing.

I'm rambling. In other thoughts, Talking Heads' Remain in Light is still a brilliant album.

And here's a horse playing Grand Theft Auto:

(Edit: Updated the post to display the video inline.)


Edited by ardgedee - 1/7/13 at 1:50pm
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And here's a horse playing Grand Theft Auto:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rt4p9A-U4Ko

Thank you for that. I've been having a really terrible headache for the past few days and this video somehow helped quite a bit.

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Yeah. I've not been paying much attention to the Abyss; unless they can drive the price down without diluting its qualities, it's mostly not going to be relevant to my interests. The price point seems calculated and deliberately high; I know that appearance is not the point, performance is, but appearance is also a form of emotional reinforcement for the performance; it doesn't make the thing sound better, it makes me feel better about the thing because it implies to me that the designer considered all aspects of the thing.

 

I actually really like the way the Abyss looks now.

 

Heeeee....

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Sennheiser presents... Club Orpheus!

 

 

http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_en.nsf/root/club_orpheus_club_orpheus_about

 

 

 

...Which seems to have nothing to do with the Orpheus. Basically it's a dealer network. Sennheiser seems to be restricting the sales of their high end gear now.

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Sennheiser presents... Club Orpheus!

 

 

http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_en.nsf/root/club_orpheus_club_orpheus_about

 

 

 

...Which seems to have nothing to do with the Orpheus. Basically it's a dealer network. Sennheiser seems to be restricting the sales of their high end gear now.


I found their statement in the introduction a bit awkward: "Released in 1991, Orpheus is still regarded as the most exclusive and expensive headphone ever produced" Knowing them, it wouldn't hurt to just say that the Orpheus is regarded as one of the best headphones on the planet right? Exclusive and expensive aren't really the words I believe should describe the Orpheus.

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That site won't load at all for me, but the idea of Sennheiser restricting sales of their gear more than they already have sounds dumb. 

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It looks like it's only for the UK for now though. I wonder how they will pull it off - will they just ignore orders of Club Orpheus models from shops that aren't part of it?

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I keep seeing Club Orpheus and thinking Club Penguin. I won't try to analyze that.

But otherwise it looks more to me like a dealership certification program to ensure that Sennheiser's premium line (the Momentum? Seriously?) is equally represented in their reseller network.

Or, in other words, Iain's Tweedy Audio Shop isn't allowed to take orders for the HD 800 unless they stock the HD 700 and RS 220 too. No matter how few of Iain's customers care about the latter.

(Edit: What's in it for the dealer to subscribe? Usually the advantage the reseller gets is priority in the order queue for in-demand items. Which could begin meaning something if Sennheiser really does ship a new electrostatic.)
Edited by ardgedee - 1/7/13 at 9:33am
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Yeah, I think the whole Orpheus thing is a little awkward on Sennheiser's part, at least as far as the reference goes.

 

"Hey guys, remember that super expensive headphone we released a long time ago that was limited to only 300 models? Yeah? Cool. We ourselves actually just now remembered we made that! Anyway, we've got this new gear that is exclusive and expensive too. Let's make an exclusive club to celebrate it being exclusive and expensive"

 

I mean, their acknowledging the Orpheus for the first time in ages and displaying it publicly is for that? At this point I'm seriously doubting there'll be an announcement for a new stat at the show, but I'd like to think they're planning to use this "Club Orpheus" thing as a build up to it later on at some point.

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Yeah, I think the whole Orpheus thing is a little awkward on Sennheiser's part, at least as far as the reference goes.

 

"Hey guys, remember that super expensive headphone we released a long time ago that was limited to only 300 models? Yeah? Cool. We ourselves actually just now remembered we made that! Anyway, we've got this new gear that is exclusive and expensive too. Let's make an exclusive club to celebrate it being exclusive and expensive"

 

I mean, their acknowledging the Orpheus for the first time in ages and displaying it publicly is for that? At this point I'm seriously doubting there'll be an announcement for a new stat at the show, but I'd like to think they're planning to use this "Club Orpheus" thing as a build up to it later on at some point.

Haha to the quote. 

Now that I think about it, it's kind of weird how companies like Sony and Sennheiser, which both created the headphones and were AGESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ahead of their time, didn't expand on their top shots :/ They were by far light years ahead of today's generic lo-fi brands. I'm not sure about audio technica, beyer, etc, but Sony and Senn both built the kings that still reign over today's flagships. Not sure where AKG's k1000 stands, but those seemed to be also good. 

Just mind boggling. I remember somewhere 2 years here on head-fi about someone saying that senn lost money from the orpheus. But man, if they'd kept going, who knows what wonders they could've made.

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But man, if they'd kept going, who knows what wonders they could've made.

That's part of the problem, isn't it? Sennheiser went and made their ultimate headphone. And now... what? They made their ultimate headphone. Everything else is downhill from there. Because that's it; that was their ultimate.

"But surely technology has progressed...?" you are asking, because you yourself are familiar with how often you've upgraded your computer, microwave and car.
Nope. Headphones don't work like that. That was their ultimate headphone -- they can't do better. That's it.

And, yup. They lost a mint on each one. So unless somebody in the company decides that making a profit isn't as important as it used to be, they're unlikely to make more of 'em. They might make something else instead. But it won't be the ultimate headphone, they already did that.
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That's part of the problem, isn't it? Sennheiser went and made their ultimate headphone. And now... what? They made their ultimate headphone. Everything else is downhill from there. Because that's it; that was their ultimate.
"But surely technology has progressed...?" you are asking, because you yourself are familiar with how often you've upgraded your computer, microwave and car.
Nope. Headphones don't work like that. That was their ultimate headphone -- they can't do better. That's it.
And, yup. They lost a mint on each one. So unless somebody in the company decides that making a profit isn't as important as it used to be, they're unlikely to make more of 'em. They might make something else instead. But it won't be the ultimate headphone, they already did that.

Never thought that headphones had hit the ceiling in terms of development :s Thanks ardgedee

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Well, they could have made a similar stat with less crazy materials in that time, but it's very understandable why they wouldn't.  I like how Hifiman's gone about things where they made their best and then worked on ways to better mass produce similar, cheaper models.

 

Anyways, I put in an order for the EC Electra ^_^ .  Now I just need to get a nice stat sometime between now and the 3-4 months I'm assuming it'll take.


Edited by driver 8 - 1/7/13 at 11:37am
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Teenage Engineering Wireless Cloud Speaker at CES

 

I like it's analog dial and overall simple but clean design. 


Edited by mutabor - 1/7/13 at 11:40am
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