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compoopers there's also this:  http://us.hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=50

 

it's cheaper from their china web page but then you have to wait for shipping.. there's also an asynchronous usb version for like 10 bux more..  I've had it and it's good

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Wow, are they really going to do this? If this isn't misinformation, I don't know what is.

 

Look, I get it; they're not saying how they're quantifying this so-called "quality", but it's apparent they're just going by bit rate, but if that's the case, I especially like how 16/44.1 digital files are somehow better than 16/44.1 CD.

 

Can someone explain to me how that works? Maybe I forgot a math class or four in college? :mad:

 

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Who needs to hate on Monster Beats when we now have Pono. Neil Young should have
either found different business partners or forgotten about the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Wow, are they really going to do this? If this isn't misinformation, I don't know what is.

 

Look, I get it; they're not saying how they're quantifying this so-called "quality", but it's apparent they're just going by bit rate, but if that's the case, I especially like how 16/44.1 digital files are somehow better than 16/44.1 CD.

 

Can someone explain to me how that works? Maybe I forgot a math class or four in college? :mad:

 

Warning: not drawn to scale :p

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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

Wow, are they really going to do this? If this isn't misinformation, I don't know what is.

Look, I get it; they're not saying how they're quantifying this so-called "quality", but it's apparent they're just going by bit rate, but if that's the case, I especially like how 16/44.1 digital files are somehow better than 16/44.1 CD.

Can someone explain to me how that works? Maybe I forgot a math class or four in college? mad.gif


I don't think they're saying that 16/44.1 digital is better than 16/44.1 CD. I think it's a optical illusion and of the bar graph itself. If you use the numbers that they list, their min for the Ponos store is 1411 kbps which matches up with the CD's max of 1411 kbps.
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Now, had that appeared in a copy of Architectural Digest...:dt880smile: 

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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Wow, are they really going to do this? If this isn't misinformation, I don't know what is.

 

Look, I get it; they're not saying how they're quantifying this so-called "quality", but it's apparent they're just going by bit rate, but if that's the case, I especially like how 16/44.1 digital files are somehow better than 16/44.1 CD.

 

I don't think that is being claimed, especially since they're asserting the white bar represents 44.1/16 uncompressed audio, which is audio CD / LPCM.

 

The chart is a poorly-drawn isometric bar chart, but the tops and bottoms of the blue and white blocks line up. I checked.

 

There are two primary misrepresentations, and those blue and white blocks aren't among them.

 

First, I'm seeing the confusion of compression and lossless compression. All FLAC files are compressed, and they're all lossless.

 

Second, the chart is graphing relative data density, but the chart's title makes a clear implication that the chart represents audio quality. As we all know, a linear increase in data density does not correlate to a linear increase in perceptible quality. Rather, the law of diminishing returns applies. So that's a bit of poop.

 

But I dunno. This is relatively innocuous as audio marketing claims go. Since the goal really is to make high-density lossless digital audio a format with general popular appeal, I'm finding it hard to get too upset about this.


Edited by ardgedee - 3/25/14 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by ardgedee View Post  I don't think that is being claimed, especially since they're asserting the white bar represents 44.1/16 uncompressed audio, which is audio CD / LPCM.

 

The chart is a poorly-drawn isometric bar chart, but the tops and bottoms of the blue and white blocks line up. I checked.

 

There are two primary misrepresentations, and those blue and white blocks aren't among them.

 

First, I'm seeing the confusion of compression and lossless compression. All FLAC files are compressed, and they're all lossless.

 

Second, the chart is graphing relative data density, but the chart's title makes a clear implication that the chart represents audio quality. As we all know, a linear increase in data density does not correlate to a linear increase in perceptible quality. Rather, the law of diminishing returns applies. So that's a bit of poop.

 

Really? It sure looked like they didn't.

 

Perhaps I'm just on a hair trigger these days --- lots of stuff going on here locally.

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A company called me an hour ago to arrange for an interview, but I was driving and asked if she could call me back when I'm safer to receive a call. One hour later with a few calls to them... sigh I'm in despair.
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:popcorn:

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Fair warning. FWIW, on the way to the meet, I didn't listen to anything, the first thing I listened to was the DITA, followed by the 334, another DITA (well it's actually the same model but with an upscaled, cost-no-object cable) and then the 846. And there's something in between those, but I didn't manage to write it down.

 

The DITA is a very impressive earphone, no doubt. I'll be talking a bit more about it assuming I can ever get enough time to collect and format all my notes from the last several months. I think fans of Sony's EX line---especially the EX1000---will take to the DITAs easily, as it's the sort of earphone that has a very immediate and obvious wow factor. Very holographic out-of-head type of sound, very coherent thanks to only using a single driver.

 

Regarding the SE846, I'm seriously wondering if the guy didn't have the bass filter installed even though he claimed otherwise, because I'd be a little puzzled over their sounding noticeably more bassy than the DITA with the default filters.

 

Personally I don't think the DITA is better than the SE846 for my tastes, especially after listening for a while when the DITA's more sibilant treble becomes more obvious, however the DITA is definitely one of the IEMs I'll be keeping by my side for a while. Frankly it puts many 8 and 10 driver models to shame with its single dynamic driver. 

 

Unfortunately, the way the cables attach to the DITA is frankly very unnerving and does not inspire confidence that it will last in the long run unless babied. The Shures have superior build quality in my opinion.

 

 

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Which amp do you like the best with the SR-009?

 

Cavalli's prototype tube e-stat amp which may or may not make it into production.

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The DITA is a very impressive earphone, no doubt. I'll be talking a bit more about it assuming I can ever get enough time to collect and format all my notes from the last several months. I think fans of Sony's EX line---especially the EX1000---will take to the DITAs easily, as it's the sort of earphone that has a very immediate and obvious wow factor. Very holographic out-of-head type of sound, very coherent thanks to only using a single driver.

Regarding the SE846, I'm seriously wondering if the guy didn't have the bass filter installed even though he claimed otherwise, because I'd be a little puzzled over their sounding noticeably more bassy than the DITA with the default filters.

Personally I don't think the DITA is better than the SE846 for my tastes, especially after listening for a while when the DITA's more sibilant treble becomes more obvious, however the DITA is definitely one of the IEMs I'll be keeping by my side for a while. Frankly it puts many 8 and 10 driver models to shame with its single dynamic driver. 

Unfortunately, the way the cables attach to the DITA is frankly very unnerving and does not inspire confidence that it will last in the long run unless babied. The Shures have superior build quality in my opinion.


 



Cavalli's prototype tube e-stat amp which may or may not make it into production.



Suh-weet. Was hoping to collect more info on the DITA before springin. Sold off the SE846 so I got some money burnin a hole in my pocket

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Unfortunately, the way the cables attach to the DITA is frankly very unnerving and does not inspire confidence that it will last in the long run unless babied. The Shures have superior build quality in my opinion.

Yikes. I really hope that spiel they had on flex testing the cables 50,000 times has some merit :l
Edited by Idsynchrono_24 - 3/26/14 at 10:34am
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:popcorn:

The silent one observes... :ph34r:

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The silent one observes... :ph34r:

When lying in wait, dang popcorn makes too much noise! :tongue_smile:

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compoopers there's also this:  http://us.hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=50

it's cheaper from their china web page but then you have to wait for shipping.. there's also an asynchronous usb version for like 10 bux more..  I've had it and it's good

Cool, thanks for the link.

Meanwhile, my RE-400s arrived. I like how they sound so far.



Ahh, phone camera quality...

I had a question for IEM users -- I personally use IEMs for when I'm out and about and headphones for when I'm at home. My last IEMs broke, I think because of the way I used them. I generally wrap my IEMs around my hand with that tying method and then throw them in my pocket, but since these ones a little more expensive I don't want them to break. Is there a way to make sure that my IEMs will be safe without too much hassle?
Edited by compoopers - 3/26/14 at 6:07pm
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