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Oh right. Backwards compatibility.
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We have been playing with the idea of tablets as the primary machines for some users. There are some issues with that in a corporate environment - mostly with very basic problems like trying to run old business applications on the latest HW/SW. Oracle eBusiness Suite is the worst. We are running on the latest available version, and it still has specific requirements for the browser version, Java JRE & OS that are back at least one major rev. It's pathetic. You might be able to hack it into running OK, but the vendor won't provide support for that configuration, and you would need to prove to them that whatever issue you are having is also happening on the "supported" HW/SW. The other issue is the ridiculous way some corporate users try to use their computers. Try running a pivot table on a 2 gigabyte Excel spreadsheet on your tablet... rolleyes.gif When I tell them that's a silly, stupid thing to try to do on ANY computer - well, you can imagine the response... biggrin.gif
We're looking at a software package where the front end GUI targets IE8 or IE9 32bit. This is for patient records. Realllly?? eek.gif
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We're looking at a software package where the front end GUI targets IE8 or IE9 32bit. This is for patient records. Realllly?? eek.gif

Welcome to my world! We also have software we get directly from UPS that *REQUIRES* 32 bit Windows - it simply can't be installed on a 64 bit OS. It simply baffles me that companies can get away with that cr@p!! So, all of our shipping department has to run 32 bit Windows. We tried using a 32 bit VM that they could use via RDP, but it was a disaster - way too complicated for those guys. They couldn't seem to remember what apps they should run in the RDP window and what they should run on their local desktop. We finally gave up and just re-imaged their workstations to 32 bit Windows.
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"You mean I'm using a computer that's using a computer??"

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This is our typical user - Jack not name, Jack job!


Edited by billybob_jcv - 2/7/14 at 8:49am
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We have been playing with the idea of tablets as the primary machines for some users. There are some issues with that in a corporate environment - mostly with very basic problems like trying to run old business applications on the latest HW/SW. Oracle eBusiness Suite is the worst. We are running on the latest available version, and it still has specific requirements for the browser version, Java JRE & OS that are back at least one major rev. It's pathetic. You might be able to hack it into running OK, but the vendor won't provide support for that configuration, and you would need to prove to them that whatever issue you are having is also happening on the "supported" HW/SW. The other issue is the ridiculous way some corporate users try to use their computers. Try running a pivot table on a 2 gigabyte Excel spreadsheet on your tablet... rolleyes.gif When I tell them that's a silly, stupid thing to try to do on ANY computer - well, you can imagine the response... biggrin.gif

I have always liked cats, and cats like me - but I'm a dog person - big, silly, slobbery dogs... tongue.gif


We're going the hybrid route - with the Lenovo Yoga 2.  I have mine now for about a week and LOVE it.  Does everything my Dell tower could do but better and faster (that is only because my tower was 3 years old).  Loving the Windows 8 environment as well.   I'd guess that 2GB pivot table would run just fine on my Yoga. 

 

We did a small sampling test on Surface's but the Yoga won out easily. 

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Welcome to my world! We also have software we get directly from UPS that *REQUIRES* 32 bit Windows - it simply can't be installed on a 64 bit OS. It simply baffles me that companies can get away with that cr@p!! So, all of our shipping department has to run 32 bit Windows. We tried using a 32 bit VM that they could use via RDP, but it was a disaster - way too complicated for those guys. They couldn't seem to remember what apps they should run in the RDP window and what they should run on their local desktop. We finally gave up and just re-imaged their workstations to 32 bit Windows.


You talking about Worldship?  That's good to know - I'll tell my IT guy tho I'm sure some people will still be on towers like my Engineering guys running SolidWorks for the designing they do. 

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My work went with uberlaptops. Almost maxed out I7s. We're fairly stationary anyways so no need for tablets. Some of the guys ( Management) got Surface Pros. They're nice but I can't justify spending that much for one. frown.gif
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q.q I need to get out of College so I can work as an IT guy in a fancy firm 

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Yeah, fancy firms with totl i7 workstations with 16gbs of ram! I think it's a bad idea giving your software dev team computers that powerful because we start coding ridiculous programs that other depts can't run. lol tongue.gif
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The IT guys usually get the leftover scraps for their workstations. Sometimes it works out OK - we'll keep the "special" laptop that an executive just *had* to have, but then they hated it or they got canned. Since it's a non-standard machine we can't let it out into the wild, so we keep it for IT consumption.

I actually try to be good - I use what *looks* like one of our standard Dell worker-bee laptops. I want to make a statement to the other managers that our standard machine is plenty good enough. Now, what I don't tell them is that my "standard" laptop actually has 256GB SSD drive, extra memory and a Verizon 4G card built-in. There has to be *some* perks for having the thankless job of head of IT... wink.gif
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

We have been playing with the idea of tablets as the primary machines for some users. There are some issues with that in a corporate environment - mostly with very basic problems like trying to run old business applications on the latest HW/SW. Oracle eBusiness Suite is the worst. We are running on the latest available version, and it still has specific requirements for the browser version, Java JRE & OS that are back at least one major rev. It's pathetic. You might be able to hack it into running OK, but the vendor won't provide support for that configuration, and you would need to prove to them that whatever issue you are having is also happening on the "supported" HW/SW. The other issue is the ridiculous way some corporate users try to use their computers. Try running a pivot table on a 2 gigabyte Excel spreadsheet on your tablet... rolleyes.gif When I tell them that's a silly, stupid thing to try to do on ANY computer - well, you can imagine the response... biggrin.gif

I have always liked cats, and cats like me - but I'm a dog person - big, silly, slobbery dogs... tongue.gif

How do you even get a single worksheet to 2 gigabytes??

I had about 15 columns and 3.5 million lines of an Access table and tried to run a pivot on it in Access a couple of days ago. 8 gigs of memory is apparently not enough. That file was like 50 megabytes I think.
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The IT guys usually get the leftover scraps for their workstations. Sometimes it works out OK - we'll keep the "special" laptop that an executive just *had* to have, but then they hated it or they got canned. Since it's a non-standard machine we can't let it out into the wild, so we keep it for IT consumption.

I actually try to be good - I use what *looks* like one of our standard Dell worker-bee laptops. I want to make a statement to the other managers that our standard machine is plenty good enough. Now, what I don't tell them is that my "standard" laptop actually has 256GB SSD drive, extra memory and a Verizon 4G card built-in. There has to be *some* perks for having the thankless job of head of IT... wink.gif
Rule of thumb is to make sure it doesn't look flashy. Our workstations are pretty unassuming. It's huge and looks like a brick. Does not impress the execs. But, the specs will make a nerd drool. biggrin.gif

workstation-precision-m4700-overview2.jpg
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Nothing means business more than a maxxed out ThinkPad in black, my weapon of choice.
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How do you even get a single worksheet to 2 gigabytes??

I had about 15 columns and 3.5 million lines of an Access table and tried to run a pivot on it in Access a couple of days ago. 8 gigs of memory is apparently not enough. That file was like 50 megabytes I think.

To be honest - I have no frigging idea how he got it that big. I think one of the issues is that they dump huge .csv files out of our ERP system, then they bring the .csv files into Excel. If you don't save it as an .xlsx before you start screwing with it, Excel doesn't optimize the file - and .csv files are waaaay bigger than the corresponding Excel file.

Also, they don't have just one sheet. They dump these huge .csv files, that have hundreds of columns and a bajillion rows, then they try to load 3 or 4 of them into Excel at the same time and then have other sheets that combine data from the source sheets. We had to install 64 bit Excel to try to keep the thing from corrupting the files. This particular guy is one of those really annoying business managers - he thinks he is waaay smarter than he really is - and if *your* computer can't do what *he* wants it to do, well that's *your* problem. I have told him repeatedly that we have a $2 million ERP system that is sitting on a very nice Oracle database - and databases are *made* for joining tables and doing queries - so, gee - why don't you simply define the report you need and we'll let the database do it for you. His answer is always the same - he needs to "see" the data in order to create the report he needs.

I've been doing this a long time, and I know what that really means - it means the data his people put into the system is cr@p, and he doesn't know how to create a clean report from that pile of cr@ppy data. So, instead of fixing the real problem - his own people and his cr@p processes - he wants IT to perform magic on the back end. That just ain't gonna happen, so he spends his weekends pounding his head on Excel, and then b!tches about IT every week. rolleyes.gif

Oh - and this is the same guy that will go weeks without ever powering down his laptop. He will travel across the country, stay in a hotel, go to the office, then go back to the hotel - then call us at 11 PM b!tching that his WiFi & VPN connection is "screwed up". He never wants to power off his laptop because it takes too long to load those giant spreadsheets.

Now see what you all did? You got me monologing... tongue.gif
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