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I'd be very interested in reading that review, or watching it if it's on youtube.

 

Here ya go! It turns out it was on backwards for parts of this video. Some of the comments on the video page are quite interesting so far.

 

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Here ya go! It turns out it was on backwards for parts of this video. Some of the comments on the video page are quite interesting so far.

 

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Damn. I haven't seen the video yet, I'll watch it at work, but I saw the comments.

 

Here's the thing: I love the D2000, and I think they sound really, really good. A lot of folks are always praising its openness to the sound, saying it almost sounds like a open backed headphone. I don't really care about that. I do however care about the way it sounds detailed with really good bass extension and so on and so forth. The one, and this used to be a big one, issue I had with them is that the clamping force and the sheer size/weight of them in tandem, made them actually less comfortable. I always felt that should I rock my head forward or backwards, they would fall off, and knowing this made my neck muscles tense and in the end it just hurt. So much for being comfy.

 

However, I solved this by accident by pulling off the top cushion that sits on your head, off of my old Sennheisers (that I later stripped and used as spare parts for my Koss headphones and mailed the drivers the ssrock64 here on head-fi) -- and I put it one the Denons. I say by accident because the Denons headband cushion actually hurt too, so I wanted something softer. I guess the added "height", with the weight of the earcups, somehow added downwards pressure, resulting in:

 

A: Added clamping force (they do NOT fall off my head no matter how much I rock it, I can actually headbang)

B: Added comfort due to not being afraid of dropping them

C: ...and lastly, added comfort on the top of my head.

 

It may sound weird, but for some reason it worked for my and my Denons. I'll definitely try it with the UE's if I feel the same way about the clamping force. I do feel it a bit with the HP-800, but because of the design it's not really possible to remedy like that. The UE looks like it could be remedied like that though.

 

I'll watch the video later at work.

 


 

So, I've looked at your video for the UE6000. I'm looking forward to getting them now to see whether we agree on things. I may have not have the biggest head in the world, but I'm on the other hand pretty fat. Have you tried the D2000/D5000/D7000? How would you compare the clamping force of the UE6000 to one of them?

 


 

The HP-800. So I've had time with it, and probably not enough to give full and final impressions but I can at least say that I both like them and dislike them. I've seen members reviewing them as rather bassy, but honestly, I can't see that. Yes, they have bass and possibly more than some head-fiers would like, but it's sort of as I always thought of the Pro 900's: it's overstated. Properly EQ:ed headphones with "less" bass will be better, such as the HD25-1 II which in my opinion are the most EQ-friendly headphones I have.

 

The bass is there, but it's not especially forceful or intrusive in any way which is a good thing and a bad thing. For certain hiphop and trap I want that intrusive sort of bass that not only hits me enough to tickle my ears, but does it in loads. These are not your leafblowers. It does bass, but there's more a sound of the bass, and not a feel of it. Sort of oozing clouds of it, but not a thunderstorm. As for mids, I don't know, they seem recessed but not to a level where I miss them. Vocals and instruments sound pretty darned good in these headphones, at the same time as they sound sharp/lifeless. I would like to hear more string based music on them, but I can't seem force myself to do it, like some headphones can. Treble, well, there's lots of it. Comfort wise they're actually pretty good, but there's a bit of the D2000 conundrum going on here: they're soft and the clamping force is non-intrusive, however they are perhaps suited to bigger heads than mine. I'm not afraid to drop them though, as they both seem to survive a (big) fall, and I'm really not afraid of breaking them as they were bought on impulse and not really paid a lot for -- I wouldn't cry if they were stolen, so to say, but I'd miss them.

 

I really don't know how to describe them. They're clear and effortless, but not neutral or even natural. They're bassy, but far from punchy or flabby. They have mids, but the mids are sort of "cold" and sharp. There's treble, and it's intrusive alright, but gives a nice perception of details. There's a nice soundstage to them, and I don't even like a big soundstage. There's life to it in the normal, non-audiophile, sense of the word, at the same time as it's rather lifeless to my ears. Really, it's yin and yang to me, but it's not a balance. I sort of like them, and dislike them. I really wish I could feel stronger for them because at the end of the day they're not bad at all, but I don't.

 

I really wish there was more, but at the same time, there's already enough.


Edited by Coq de Combat - 1/23/14 at 4:21am
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I think someone here wondered why there's no other IEM manufacturer make their product with adjustable nozzles. Apparently, Audio Technica does now, and released a new line: This is the low end model.
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Originally Posted by jgray91 View Post  I think someone here wondered why there's no other IEM manufacturer make their product with adjustable nozzles. Apparently, Audio Technica does now, and released a new line: This is the low end model.

 

Not that easy to implement?

 

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Looks like Westone has a new flagship.....

Colorado Springs, CO and Anaheim, CA (NAMM) - January 22, 2014 - Westone, the leader in high performance audio and in-ear monitoring technology, will unveil the much-anticipated Elite Series ES60 for the first time at NAMM (National Association of Music Merchants trade show.) The ES60 is the newest in-ear monitor in the Elite Series of high performance earphones designed by musicians specifically for music professionals and audiophiles. The ES60 features Westone’s legendary custom True-Fit technology, providing the musician with earpieces that are cast, sculpted and polished by hand from actual impressions of the individual’s ears. This precise customization provides the world’s most accurate and comfortable fit and acoustic seal possible for the musician, resulting in the best audio performance of any in-ear monitor on the market.

The ES60 is handcrafted with six balanced armature drivers in each earphone and a multistage crossover design that yields unrivaled sonic purity. Westone's Dual Bore technology allows for the IEM's high and low frequency sound components to be channeled through separate passages in the sound port and sum within the user's ear canal instead of the earpiece. This approach results in a more convincing and transparent transition between frequency ranges.


Other notable features of the ES60 custom in-ear monitor include a two material approach to the monitor design consisting of a flex canal, a body temperature-reactive, semisoft earpiece canal additive that offers the user increased comfort and acoustic seal for incredible noise isolation. The cold-pour acrylic earpiece housing provides increased durability and enclosure stability. The ES60 is the ultimate custom in-ear monitor, exceeding even W60, the Westone audiophile earphone that shares many of the same internal components and was named Digital Trends’ CES 2014 “Best in Show headphone winner.

Unique custom ES60 options range from real abalone shell to sleek carbon fiber faceplates. Additional materials for the ES60 in-ear monitor faceplates include exotic woods, laser engraving and additional carbon fiber selections. The Elite Series faceplates can be customized with thousands of new colors, materials and design combinations through Westone's online Customizer.

Each Elite Series in-ear monitor is supplied with Westone's robust EPIC cable constructed of bifurcated, high-flex, ultra-low resistance tinsel wire, reinforced with a special aramid fiber. The new EPIC cable is removable and attached to the IEM by a single connector allowing for use with other premium cables from Westone. Additional cables include Apple MFI control and Android control cables.

Westone combines 55 years of experience with in-ear applications that yield a low-profile, lightweight, universal earpiece which delivers maximum comfort and in-ear coupling for dynamic music monitoring. Each ES60 is meticulously custom-built by a staff of dedicated artisans and lab technicians who ensure that every set of custom in-ear monitors exemplify the best in sound and fit available on the market today.

Westone ES60 In-Ear Monitor Features:

Designed with six individual balanced armature drivers and multistage crossover designs
Dual driver for the tweeters, mid-ranges and bass for a powerful yet balanced sound that offers great detail and high energy output
Flex canal and cold-pour acrylic earpiece for durability and enclosure stability
EPIC replaceable cable with Up & Over™ cable routing helps prevent microphonics and keeps the earphone securely in place.
Executive monitor vault – weather resistant travel case
The ES60 is the ultimate in-ear monitor for the serious musician, said John F. Lowrey, Vice President, Audio Group at Westone. Westone Audio created the first in-ear monitors for Rush and Def Leppard, and we’re honored and humbled to work with the talented artists who today use our products and trust us for providing top-rated monitors. The ES60 was created and designed by musicians for musicians, and we are elated to be part of the on-stage presentation of music, the one art form that’s universally appreciated.

The ES60 is available with a base MSRP of $1299.99 (price varies based on custom materials and configurations selected) through authorized dealers and e-retailers.

A portion of sales of the ES60 will be donated to Hearing Health Foundation as part of Westone’s ongoing support of music, hearing protection
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the footage from FLCL matches the song uncannily well. I don't think Japanese animators were listening to late-80s Boston noise bands when they worked on this, though.


Edited by ardgedee - 1/23/14 at 7:03pm
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the footage from FLCL matches the song uncannily well. I don't think Japanese animators were listening to late-80s Boston noise bands when they worked on this, though.

That... was a good song actually! My question is... why does Late 80's UK Rock, sound like early 90's US Rock :O did the whole Punk Alternative Rock thing start over there too! 

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the footage from FLCL matches the song uncannily well. I don't think Japanese animators were listening to late-80s Boston noise bands when they worked on this, though.

 

Oh, I dunno. I wouldn't want to put too definitive a finger on what they were listening to when they made FLCL...

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Looks like Westone has a new flagship.....
 

 

 

You don't know the half of it.

 

http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/ces-2014-headphone-earphones-and-related-electronics-part-3/?page=4

 

"Last but not least, we should give you notice that Westone is in the process of developing a potentially spectacular new full-size headphone that will feature—get this—a beryllium-foil tweeter/midrange ribbon driver pair with a beryllium diaphragm-equipped mid-bass driver. Projected pricing for this super-phone is roughly estimated at about $5,500, with release slated for late in Q3, 2014 or possibly Q4, 2014."

 

 

Looks like my prediction is coming true: ribbon drivers are the new craze for manufacturers. We've got those Obravos with their AMT and ribbon hybrid designs, a true-ribbon driver from RAAL that will require its own amp, and now Westone has a hybrid ribbon. I can also confirm there are at least two other manufacturers working on ribbon headphones right now, one of which is another true-ribbon (and will hence require its own amplification) while the other is another hybrid.

 

Oh, and another manufacturer is working on a hybrid e-stat / dynamic like the cult-classic AKG K340.


Edited by MuppetFace - 1/24/14 at 4:47am
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Oooooh Beryllium. Let me consult my speaker design handbook:

 

 

I'll leave it to someone else in the thread with some engineering background to tell us more. All I know is that they use Beryllium in some very high end tweeters, like say those in the Focal Grande Utopia EM.

 

I love this one factoid: Beryllium is the only metal able to scratch glass.

 

EDIT: "At ordinary temperatures, beryllium resists oxidation in air, although its ability to scratch glass is probably due to the formation of a thin layer of the oxide." Awww. That's no fun.

 

I wonder if this means Beryllium is very brittle.

 

I haven't heard the Grand Utopia's myself, but I understand they were the target reference for the VSonic GR07?


Edited by a_recording - 1/24/14 at 5:31am
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OMG, someone tell me we won't see 10 000 dollar plus flagships by the end of 2020. Such over the top pricing would be the end of the little guys like myself. I want to see the hobby put out bigger and better sounding headphones but 5000, 7500, 10 000 bone flagships plus the audio chain needed to drive it would be untouchable for 80% of us in this crazy hobby.
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Humph, the new Westone headphone looks rather unassuming for a 5500 bone flagship


Hey Lachlan, you're a stickler for design and function. Going from the early pic you think this new headphone may be a ergonomic Godsend? It doesn't look like it'll weight that much, matter of fact it looks a little flimsy.
Edited by DigitalFreak - 1/24/14 at 9:14am
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I knew these phones reminded me of something...the shield of He Man!

heman2.jpg
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I knew these phones reminded me of something...the shield of He Man!

heman2.jpg

 

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