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This is bad. I'm really getting used to a trackball, and I want a more modern one with scroll wheel and two more buttons for changing tabs......
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Which version of the Kensington Orbit? Most of them have scrollwheels. Well, scroll-rings. Also configuration software that lets you get pretty detailed with acceleration profiles.

The classic Kensington Expert Trackball has long been my favorite pointer tool, because computer mice are awful. The Apple trackpad has supplanted it, but the Expert Trackball is still my favorite gaming controller. Trackpads are awful for gaming.
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

 

Anyway imma let you finish, but I just wanted to turn in a bit of an initial written report: the Beats Studio 2013 is a good headphone. It's not mind-blowingly good, but it's definitely well executed. It seems like they might have taken something out of their swimming pools of cash and actually invested in some R&D. It's still an aggressive, bombastic kind of headphone that's not going to please anyone who wants neutral bass, but it's actually punchy instead of flabby. Just about the worst aspect is the hiss of the active noise cancelling and the unfortunate inability of the headphone to function without it.

 

I am always always looking for a good circumaural headphone that is comfortable, sounds good and folds up, and the Beats Studio is probably the most ideal candidate I've found so far. I actually feel nervous saying this because I feel like a rabble of Head Fi cognoscenti is going to kerb stomp me to death.

 

It's sort of absurd that I might have to feel defensive about praising a headphone, but this is a wonderful world where people follow technology brands and sports teams instead of invading other territories and slaughtering the women and children. Most of the time.  

 

I just posted on the Sony MDR7520 thread that I actually tried the new Beats for a few minutes and I definitely liked them. The only thing I don't like is the noise cancelling non-sense :p

Hopefully they will release a version without this!

 

And why be defensive? Screw the haters!!! ;-)

I praised the Monster N-Pulse cans and I still feel that they are a great buy especially if found cheap (at $100 or less) but they are worth it.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/668530/surprised-monster-ncredible-n-pulse-are-kicking-my-general-musings-impressions-reviews-etc-thread

 

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Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post
 

It's pretty silly, isn't it?

 

You keep listening to your beats, and be happy. I'm so done with the headphone snobism on head-fi.. Not only is it pathetic, childish and petty, but it's also rather tasteless and closed minded. If it sounds good to you, then it sounds good to you, and that's the end of story. Just smile to yourself when haters go "waah waah waah, you can have soooo much better headphones for soooo much less money and your just a noob if you think they sound good" (note my spelling on "your/you're").

 

+1

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Isn't the real question: Is the Beats Studio 2013 a good *$300* headphone? How does it compare to the usual suspects at ~$300 (Momentum, Mad Dogs, SRH1440, AD900X, HD598, M100, ER4p, etc, etc)?
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post
 

I am always always looking for a good circumaural headphone that is comfortable, sounds good and folds up, and the Beats Studio is probably the most ideal candidate I've found so far. I actually feel nervous saying this because I feel like a rabble of Head Fi cognoscenti is going to kerb stomp me to death.

 

 

*Thumbsup*

 

I feel you. Beats have become this remainder in our hobby, something outside the head-fi bubble that nevertheless helps keep it intact: folks disavow them to be part of the community. I've always felt the original Beats weren't as bad as they were made out to be, but that's sort of beside the point. The disdain for Beats has become an ideology, and like the most effective forms of ideology there is an element of truth underlying it; Beats were expensive and sounded a bit like mud. The passion engendered by this is really something to behold though. 

 

I'm glad you're sharing here in any case. Your impressions mean a lot to me because you approach them from a holistic standpoint, appreciating not just sound quality but also the design, build, and comfort. Basically you look at what it's like to live with a headphone, which is the main impetus behind my using the diary for impressions in the first place. 

 

 

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I'm not sure what anything anyone says actually means.

 

That is your inner Frenchman talking. Let's go deconstruct something!

 

 


 

Also:

 

A CEE TEE sighting!

 

Got another blurry photo of a shadowy upright humanoid to add to the scrapbook.

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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Isn't the real question: Is the Beats Studio 2013 a good *$300* headphone? How does it compare to the usual suspects at ~$300 (Momentum, Mad Dogs, SRH1440, AD900X, HD598, M100, ER4p, etc, etc)?

 

Well, it's definitely more comfortable than the Momentum and I prefer their sound sig over those Senns (even though I do have the Momentum on-ears with even more bloated bass but at least they are more comfy), no question I'd pick those Beats over the SRH1440, the only Shure's I didn't buy because I didn't like them... I'd still pick the Mad Dogs though as I really dig them. I guess it would depend on different priorities whether one values comfort, looks, sound, open vs close, etc. etc.

 

I think that a version without any electronics, much like PSB did with their M4U2s and M4U1s will be welcomed (at least by me lol) and I'd probably recommend them but of course, I need more time with them. I'll see if I can get them some time in the future...

 

In the meantime, talking with Martin to "Woodify" my Beyer T5p's!!!! w00t!!! ;-)

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Originally Posted by ardgedee View Post

Which version of the Kensington Orbit? Most of them have scrollwheels. Well, scroll-rings. Also configuration software that lets you get pretty detailed with acceleration profiles.

The classic Kensington Expert Trackball has long been my favorite pointer tool, because computer mice are awful. The Apple trackpad has supplanted it, but the Expert Trackball is still my favorite gaming controller. Trackpads are awful for gaming.

It's a really old one; it's analog even! Here's hoping that that software supports mine. It doesn't. frown.gif
But I have to say I got pretty used to it now. Not as dextrous as I was using a normal mouse, but surprised that I adapted to it up to this point. Bummer about no scroll wheel (ring) and just 2 buttons. Too used to having 6 :P
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post
 

Wow I have been wondering how long these references could go on and it seems like the answer is 'indefinitely'...

 

Congratulations Arly on your channel btw, now when can I book you in for a hangout eh eh?

 

Anyway imma let you finish, but I just wanted to turn in a bit of an initial written report: the Beats Studio 2013 is a good headphone. It's not mind-blowingly good, but it's definitely well executed. It seems like they might have taken something out of their swimming pools of cash and actually invested in some R&D. It's still an aggressive, bombastic kind of headphone that's not going to please anyone who wants neutral bass, but it's actually punchy instead of flabby. Just about the worst aspect is the hiss of the active noise cancelling and the unfortunate inability of the headphone to function without it.

 

I am actually sort of surprised, and a little annoyed that I could not get the matte black model on sale because I would probably keep them around with that colour variation. I have a very flashy red pair which looks cool but probably a little too brash for my overwhelmingly monochrome wardrobe.

 

I am always always looking for a good circumaural headphone that is comfortable, sounds good and folds up, and the Beats Studio is probably the most ideal candidate I've found so far. I actually feel nervous saying this because I feel like a rabble of Head Fi cognoscenti is going to kerb stomp me to death.

 

It's sort of absurd that I might have to feel defensive about praising a headphone, but this is a wonderful world where people follow technology brands and sports teams instead of invading other territories and slaughtering the women and children. Most of the time.  

Is it less dark than the Momentum? 

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This is bad. I'm really getting used to a trackball, and I want a more modern one with scroll wheel and two more buttons for changing tabs......


You'd love the Logitech M570 wireless. 

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Thread Starter 

To Hugo or not Hugo, that is the question.

 

(...Preorder? Hmmm.)

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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Isn't the real question: Is the Beats Studio 2013 a good *$300* headphone? How does it compare to the usual suspects at ~$300 (Momentum, Mad Dogs, SRH1440, AD900X, HD598, M100, ER4p, etc, etc)?

 

See, the thing is, the only headphones on that are on that list that I think are valid comparisons are the Momentum and the M100. None of the other headphones are portable. I think the Studio is definitely on par with the MDR-1R and ES10, though it definitely has a bit of an unnatural sound signature. (I just read a review that said 'honky' and I actually kind of agree). I like them about as much as I remember liking the M80 and around the same level as the KEF M500, which means its not quite at the level of the Amperior and Momentum (which I really like). But the Studio has the virtue of being very comfortable.

 

The noise cancelling is not actually such a bad idea, the passive noise isolation is already quite high and the added ANC would be great for a commute. The omnipresent hiss is a bummer though and it basically means the noise floor is raised and the dynamic range of the studios is severely reduced. You won't notice it with the kind of music that I guess they intend the target market to listen to (which is all sound all the time) but not so great for quiet passages of music...

 

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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post
 

I'm glad you're sharing here in any case. Your impressions mean a lot to me because you approach them from a holistic standpoint, appreciating not just sound quality but also the design, build, and comfort. Basically you look at what it's like to live with a headphone, which is the main impetus behind my using the diary for impressions in the first place. 

 

Thank you mam. Honestly ergonomics are a bigger reason for me to reject a headphone than sound signature, unless the sound signature is so extreme that it actually becomes an ergonomic hazard - the CKM1000 and its painful screeching for instance.

 

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Originally Posted by veyrongatti View Post
 

Is it less dark than the Momentum? 

 

I will have to get back to you on that but I'm pretty sure it's darker. It's also a bit mid scooped.

 

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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post
 

To Hugo or not Hugo, that is the question.

 

(...Preorder? Hmmm.)

 

I remember playing this old series of adventure games called Hugo when I was a kid:

 

 

They were excellent. On that basis I recommend you go ahead.

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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post
 

Beats have become this remainder in our hobby, something outside the head-fi bubble that nevertheless helps keep it intact: folks disavow them to be part of the community. I've always felt the original Beats weren't as bad as they were made out to be, but that's sort of beside the point. The disdain for Beats has become an ideology, and like the most effective forms of ideology there is an element of truth underlying it; Beats were expensive and sounded a bit like mud. The passion engendered by this is really something to behold though. 

 

Beats frustrates head-fiers because we're the headphone otaku; we obsess about details, we try thousands of models, we compare, argue, test, complain and mod... there should be NOTHING we don't understand about headphones! And all those people wearing Beats... they can't possibly like them! They can't be happy! We have proven demographically and scientifically that Beats headphones represent a wrongness of technology and misguidance of morals. HOW CAN THEY BE HAPPY?

 

The head-fi collective's train of thought avoids the likelihood that Beats owners usually have different goals in headphone ownership than head-fiers do.

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The other side of the coin, I guess, is that Beats are fashion and status items. For a lot of teens and twentysomething nerds/geeks/etc, Beats represent an inappropriate use of technology but also serve as symbols of particular insider/social caste that excludes them. So there's that resentment feeding into the dynamic too.

 

It gets hard to tease apart the emotional and logical aspects of Beats-hate.

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I think you're on the right track - I suspect a lot of the hate is the belief that a lot of the Beats buyers did not buy them because they sounded good. They bought them for a whole other reason that is not considered a valid "head-fi" reason. It's the equivalent of seeing an middle-aged divorcee driving a Ferrari. You *know* they didn't buy it because of the 0-60 time & cornering ability... smily_headphones1.gif
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