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Wish beyond two souls will be another wacky ass game like indigo prophecy and that other earlier game by david cage. Because it makes a wacky ass let's play seties.
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post
 

I'm maintaining healthy skepticism when it comes to the Roxanne.

 

I'm actually very fond of the sound of Jerry Harvey's CIEMs---especially with the Freq-Phase updates---but the build of their products has disappointed me. Their former flagship, the JH-3A, has a lot of issues. The amp produces a lot of electrical noise, including ground loop type buzz (regardless of where I use it), and there's a low level whine present when the bass is boosted using the amp. The cable sockets on the shells aren't finished well, and the pins stick out quite a bit; despite that they're actually incredibly difficult to remove and re-insert. The stems of the shells aren't fully finished and are instead left rough, which is problematic on something meant to go in your ears. Obviously not everyone has had these issues, but they are all present on my set which was ordered earlier this year. This was their previous flagship product, and it's a product that costs roughly what the Roxanne is slated to cost. The demo unit in Jude's video looked really nice, and I'm sure the initial batch will be of similar quality. I just hope they maintain this standard later on too.

 

Also from a conceptual standpoint, there are two things I'd worry about potentially going wrong. The first is the sheer number of drivers. I don't subscribe to the "moar drivers = better" school, and some of the most impressive CIEMs I've heard recently have fewer drivers than a lot of these newer models. More drivers tend to strike me as more opportunities for things to go wrong, more chances for the sound to be disjointed and lack cohesiveness. Secondly, the bass boost in the new cable system seems like an opportunity to introduce distortion into the mix. From Jude's brief impressions however, I'm looking forward to these getting it right. Despite my not finding a particular advantage to cramming as many drivers as possible into a shell, I do maintain an interest in hearing these "boundary pushing" models just because they are so complex, and overcoming the difficulty of getting everything to cooperate in tandem is impressive in its own right if ultimately excessive. After all, audiophilia is often about excess and the indulgence therein.

 

As is so often the case, I find the attachments I form to these things seemingly arbitrary. This new flagship appeals to me first and foremost because it's named Roxanne. The entire shell being made of carbon fiber is particularly obscene in the non-functional way a car steering wheel or shifter knob being made of carbon fiber is obscene, a yuppie ornament that implies a performance boost: the psychosomatic whisper that these things sound faster. Still it reminds me of the Sony Qualia 010 in all of its excessive, obscene glory.

 

There are four CIEM companies I'm thinking about doing business with in the coming months. That's kind of disturbing.

 

Pretty much my thoughts also - JH13 already has a lot of drivers, twice as much to go wrong as a 3 driver IEM, 3 times a dual driver.  With 12 drivers, how would you even know if something went wrong?  I had the same thoughts re carbon fibre - difficult material to work with just increases the chance that something is going to go wrong with the fit - probably take longer to make - and really nobody's going to see the inside of your CIEM when being worn, and when not being worn don't nobody want to see your wax covered customs.  Bass boost - again another chance to introduce coloration or distortion into the system, and then to redesign the connector just of the bass boost circuit...  Typically when I see bass boost on anything, or when bass is the main marketing point, this is what tells me the product is not for me.  But yeah, I', sure that for some people it could be a delightfully excessive thing to consume/desire, and just maybe there will be some sort of performance gain from more drivers, but personally I'm really not hyped.

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Originally Posted by jgray91 View Post

Wish beyond two souls will be another wacky ass game like indigo prophecy and that other earlier game by david cage. Because it makes a wacky ass let's play seties.

 

Lemme guess - you watch Two Best Friends Play too? :3

post #18919 of 21761
That sounds mainstream. I only watch the best high quality non content: Jesse Cox.
post #18920 of 21761
@Muppet, I agree on the moar drivaz issue. Right now I am impressed at what Vision Ears can do with 2, and 4 drivers.
However carbon fiber plus roxanne...cannot resist. And it souds even just a bit better than the supposedly excellent jh13 than I m good.
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Cable failed, it hit concrete and the shell broke.  So yeah, the cable broke first (DIY, so that's on me), but concrete finished them off and I suspect that a carbon fiber shell would have just cost me the time to redo the cable, not the month or so for a replacement shell to be completed.  Of course, knowing my luck, it still would have hit in the exact right way to do the same thing and I'd be out more for a reshell XD

 

If they do end up being a kind of layered whatever, I'm in your camp at that point.  Carbon fiber because yay carbon fiber is meh and would make it easier for me to put them out of my mind as a replacement for my jh13s.

 

Carbon fiber, as a material, is the fabric weave. It's incredibly strong but it isn't stiff enough on its own to be a structural element. You can deform it easily (relative to whatever material you intend to use it to replace). In order for it to be useful it has to be bonded with resin.

 

When you see it on bike frames or auto body chassis, it's the resin bond that locks the fabric in place, limits its tendency to deform, and it's the resin that provides the smooth finish. The gotcha is that resin is really heavy -- if you've ever hefted a lucite trophy or an acrylic paperweight, you get the idea -- so the goal is to use as little of that as possible. Production scale moulding includes things like balloons that squeeze moulded components from the inside to press out excess resin.

 

In the shots of the Roxanne in Jude's video, you could see acrylic plastic refracting light, which means the carbon fiber set deep below the surface of the plastic. This makes me suspect the shell uses about as much plastic as any other acrylic custom IEM. So even if the carbon fiber contributes structural integrity, I'm not certain the real-world difference is affected at all; It's not sufficient for your IEM to not shatter -- it has to resist deformation (you don't want the electronics to get squished). It has to be chip-proof and scratch-proof in order to be useful after impact -- and there's too much plastic to make the IEM any more durable in that regard than any other acrylic shell. I'm not sure exposed thread ends in carbon fiber mesh can be made sufficiently smooth and sanitary if they're exposed -- if your custom scrapes across concrete, it's ruined regardless of what it's made from. At least a universal's tips can be swapped out.

 

The carbon fiber won't help make the cable socket any stronger, either, because the mesh is too coarse to be moulded into the socket body -- I'm guessing there's a hole drilled through the shell, the socket is inserted and secured in place with epoxy or acrylic. It's probably stronger than the usual JH/UE/Westone style sockets because it's larger and has a screw lock, but the carbon fiber contributes nothing to it.

 

Sure looks cool, though. You could easily spend more than $200 on cosmetics for your cIEM from other companies, so I won't argue that a $200 upcharge for carbon fiber decoration is excessive in this context. Don't harbor any thoughts of treating the result as a ruggedized IEM, though.

 

 


Edited by ardgedee - 10/6/13 at 7:55am
post #18922 of 21761
As much as the new Roxanne excites the spending tendencies (especially the full carbon fibre look- I'm with MF on that getting the vroom, vroom factor), I'm really happy with my JH13 FP and it's slightly bass boosted take on neutrality. So instead of going that route, I'm really interested in trying a silicone custom and also pursuing an ER-4S type signature (the ER-4S has unexpectedly floored me). Looks like the Custom Art Music One with SoA options is in my near future.
post #18923 of 21761
Oh that speaks a lot about the Roxanne smily_headphones1.gif cool smily_headphones1.gif

I'm not very confident with this new product. I fear the sound signature that has changed between the jh13 and jh13fp. Better soundstage but more treble isn't ?

If it's essentially a construction improvement as they use carbon fiber it's very very hype ! Too many airplanes in the mind of Jerry or ? Okay I already broke my EarSonics EM4 but it was obvious that it was my fault and not a construction defect based on the use of acrylic. Silicone seems to be more solid.

From 6 to 12 transducers, how many phase problems on 3 ways ? Wow I'm impressed how people is confident with these...
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Originally Posted by Rollk2 View Post

Oh that speaks a lot about the Roxanne smily_headphones1.gif cool smily_headphones1.gif

I'm not very confident with this new product. I fear the sound signature that has changed between the jh13 and jh13fp. Better soundstage but more treble isn't ?

If it's essentially a construction improvement as they use carbon fiber it's very very hype ! Too many airplanes in the mind of Jerry or ? Okay I already broke my EarSonics EM4 but it was obvious that it was my fault and not a construction defect based on the use of acrylic. Silicone seems to be more solid.

From 6 to 12 transducers, how many phase problems on 3 ways ? Wow I'm impressed how people is confident with these...
Not considering technical aspects, I just feel that Jerry Harvey must be a smart guy, and if he comes out with a new TOTL, above the JH13, JH16 and J3A, he knows his public is discerning and he knows what he is doing.
post #18925 of 21761
Clearly, he's one the masters in the world of CIEMs. But I'm skeptic with even more transducers...
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Depressing.

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The rack I want:

 

 

The rack which will fit my gear:

 

 

Depressing x2


Edited by drez - 10/7/13 at 5:51am
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Warning: The following is an extremely geeky joke that only people who learn cellular biology would know...

 

Congratulations to Rothman JE, Schekman RW,and Südhof TC... they really SNARE'd that Nobel Prize!

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Warning: The following is an extremely geeky joke that only people who learn cellular biology would know...

 

Congratulations to Rothman JE, Schekman RW,and Südhof TC... they really SNARE'd that Nobel Prize!

 

Ur avatar is so hilrious xD who is that woman 

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Depressing x2

 

 

That's how I feel about this thread lately.

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