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Yeah, I wonder which fan boy it was, HiSound, iBasso, or AK. I also posted a comment concerning Fiio on the videos thread so maybe it could even be a Fiio fan boy.

 

Maybe, but alas I am a HiFi Man fanBoi my self, although I agree their UI is horrific as well. But I'm the guy who enjoys random so :3 I'm easy to please. I Just with HifiMan had folder play back... as I organize Genre's by folder [as the meta data is too much of a pain to uniform] 

 
Oh well I usually get over it xD [Or I'll just make one big freaking cue file] 
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How would you guys define poor mastering?

 

I've been browsing internet radio stations today with my ASG-2, and I can truly hear the dynamic compression of a lot of the songs. It also seems to affect soundstage proportions.

 

It seems warmer phones are more revealing of por dynamic range than brighter phones.

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Wow someone actually gave me a thumbs down on my video lol

:rolleyes:

 

Probably somebody affiliated with one of the companies you called out. I gave it a thumbs up when i watched it.

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Haters are gonna hate.
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Wow someone actually gave me a thumbs down on my video lol
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It was me, you need a manicure. (j/k)
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How would you guys define poor mastering?

 

I've been browsing internet radio stations today with my ASG-2, and I can truly hear the dynamic compression of a lot of the songs. It also seems to affect soundstage proportions.

 

It seems warmer phones are more revealing of por dynamic range than brighter phones.

 

Not just dynamic compression but just too hot (loud) in general. My favourite song, for instance, distorts at the loudest parts when I play it back, even using my best equipment because it hits attempts to pass the 0db mark.

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It was me, you need a manicure. (j/k)

Time to run out and invest in a pair of clippers and a nail file

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Time to run out and invest in a pair of clippers and a nail file
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You have the same hard case on your old ipod that I have on my 10 year old 40 gig ipod video. I still use it every day for my audio books - it just works.
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On the subject of vocals, l can enjoy recordings that have "flawed" performances that feature voices that possess distinctive qualities or convey emotion with particular intensity. 60s folk artist Karen Dalton for example sings in a very heartfelt, down home type of way that I find particularly intoxicating in its honesty. On the other hand the blackened shrieks from Keiji Haino are movingly raw and intense. I've always found the voice of David Thomas, the frontman of Pere Ubu, to be likable in some way I can't quite explain. It has this manic energy to it. Similarly, Scott Walker puts on quite a performance using his voice, something that taps into kitsch in a way that makes him more disturbing than any metal band's growling frontman.

 

Then some voices are just appealing or intriguing. Some voices quicken the heart. Curtis Mayfield and Baby Huey have such soulfulness, such musicality, and such inspiring power behind them. The self-titled Curtis album in particular is definitely one of those desert island picks. Nico on the other hand has a subtler power, this almost mystical pastoral quality to her singing; it seems natural that she should go on to do something so archaic as The Marble Index, a [anti] pop album that somehow came from the middle ages. I also find Siouxsie Sioux and her spiritual successor Zola Jesus have a really 'strong' vocal presence. Really, I have a thing for lower pitched female voices. On the opposite end of the spectrum however Hope Sandoval purrs with such warm seduction I can't help but be caught up in her spell. I could listen to her all day. That's something I couldn't say about Kate Bush, but overall her voice moves me even more oddly enough. Michael Gira of Swans fame is the same way.

 

With some vocal performances it's the actual performance and range therein. David Tibet arranges and enunciates words in such a way as to turn a music track into a ritual. Miranda July literally puts on a show. A lot of hip hop and rap amounts to vocal acrobatics and rhythmic flow, and to that end I consider Rappin' Ron & Ant Diddley Dog to be the best of the best.

 

Some more recent artists whose voices really catch my ear include the above-cited Zola Jesus, Tyler the Creator with his raspy gnarled growl, Abel Tesfaye aka The Weekend who can channel Michael Jackson to an eerie extent, and King Krule who---despite being something like 19 years old and looking like Ron Howard---manages to sound like a weary undead blues singer.

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How would you guys define poor mastering?

 

I've been browsing internet radio stations today with my ASG-2, and I can truly hear the dynamic compression of a lot of the songs. It also seems to affect sound stage proportions.

 

It seems warmer phones are more revealing of por dynamic range than brighter phones.

 

It really depends on the phones. Generally I don't agree with that assessment of warmer phones being more revealing of poor dynamic range. Actually I find that warmer phones can actually help to mask issues on poorly mastered material.  But that also depends on how warm they are and their transparency. For example the SE5 is actually a bit more forgiving in its bass region and treble compared to the 1Plus2 and Flat 4 Sui. But where it is less forgiving is in it vocals especially.

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How would you guys define poor mastering?

 

I've been browsing internet radio stations today with my ASG-2, and I can truly hear the dynamic compression of a lot of the songs. It also seems to affect soundstage proportions.

 

It seems warmer phones are more revealing of por dynamic range than brighter phones.

Thats really easy. The epitome of PP mastering is anything by Adele. Sounds great on the radio and diabolically BAD on anything with any kind of resolution.

 

I would have to disagree on warmer being more revealing, neutral too bright sounding will bring the lack of talent behind the mixboard immediately to light.

 

And I'm dead serious everyone should have at least a copy of 21 in their collection for a reference of pp recording. The tool who claimed to have put "extra care" into that master ought to now be parking cars in an Irkutsk lot for a living.

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I agree about Adele. I guess I didn't notice at first because I always got lost in the music.

 

I guess what I meant was mainly in the dynamic range. I noticed that brighter phones can reveal artifacts better, but warmer phones have more to do with a term I cannot fully articulate. It has something to do with transparency...the rise and fall of the recording, etc.

 

The Flat-4 SUI is probably the most ruthless phone I've heard, while the UERM is the most resolving (above 60Hz). Still, I don't find them as [insert unknown word here] as the 334 or ASG-2. They both have the quality of making a recording unfavorable to listen to without doing so painfully. They are also forgiving in a way, which I attribute to their warmth.

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I would tentatively agree with eke about warmer phones being more revealing of a small dynamic range, specifically. I think it's because a warm phone already doesn't do dynamic range any favors IMO and if the dynamic range is poor to begin with, it just exacerbates it. Tentatively biggrin.gif
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I would tentatively agree with eke about warmer phones being more revealing of a small dynamic range, specifically. I think it's because a warm phone already doesn't do dynamic range any favors IMO and if the dynamic range is poor to begin with, it just exacerbates it. Tentatively biggrin.gif

Thats what I though he meant, headphones already lacking dynamic ability turning pop music into elevator music. Gotta say though I notice the hell out of flat sounding recordings with my hd800 rig, and I'm not sure I noticed this as much with my underpowered HE-6 from the same rig (used to clip).
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I would tentatively agree with eke about warmer phones being more revealing of a small dynamic range, specifically. I think it's because a warm phone already doesn't do dynamic range any favors IMO and if the dynamic range is poor to begin with, it just exacerbates it. Tentatively biggrin.gif

 

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