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I want to talk about interesting things (I thumbed up that one post of yours MF because I actually agree with most of it and chock my agitation up to other factors), but I'm feeling mad ****ty today so imma keep linking stuff, like this! http://www.channel101.com/episode/1424  <-- I love this -- my favorite Channel 101 thing in awhile now.

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Or the other kid whose uncle worked for Nintendo and knew codes to see Princess Peach naked. 

Those are some wild children...

never heard that one before.

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At least you didn't have people threatening to find you and kick your ass for "sounding gay" >_>

 

I get a fair amount of that on my videos, though usually it is expressions of surprise from people who click on my videos and say "I thought you were a girl from the thumbnail!" There was one commenter who I somehow deeply offended by suggesting that the Beats Mixr was uncomfortable, and he thought the best way to score some massive damage against me was to write badly misspelt comments about how I was ugly. Totally worked btw. I'm vain like that. *sniff* 

 

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*No, really, it's mind-boggling how incredibly stupid he is.  It's as though he has the nervous system of some simple organism, which feeds on herb and the most insipid boom boom music imaginable, instead of a brain.  Literally everyone I know hates him now, even my cat. 

 

He sounds like a character from some hilarious British comedy. You should have started a blog about "stupid things my roommate does".

 

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You raise a very intriguing point about making people feel comfortable to get your message across more effectively. I'll raise a counter point that sometimes people can be intrigued without feeling comfortable in the first place, and in fact discomfort can result in intrigue, even fixation. Something alien residing outside our comfort zone can lead to wonder and deeper investigation. Something horrific and shocking can lead to outrage and action. Sometimes 'tough love' and insults can result in self improvement. Abrasiveness can lead to change. Too comfortable, and people are no longer catalyzed because they're falling asleep.

 

I guess it's possible to shock people into thinking, but I dunno. I always love it when a piece of art somehow convinces you that it is safe to get up on a ladder at some very great height and then begins to remove the rungs from under you one by one.

 

In queer culture I guess it's a bit of an eternal debate. I personally think having someone close to you coming out as gay is going to make you reconsider your opinions more than watching the Mardi Gras float roll down your street, but then I would much rather be in a Mardi Gras parade (which seems fun) then do the whole coming out thing again. As you point out, a lot of queer art isn't made FOR anyone or any particular agenda. In Sydney, as attitudes have changed the Mardi Gras has changed from an overtly political event to one giant excuse for everyone to go out into the city and be themselves.

 

As far as my own work goes, I tend to be a strategiser more than anything else... I have things I want to say from the heart but everything is driven from a very conceptual and self-conscious instinct on my part. (Something which my supervisors have commented on). I guess for me I judge whether or not my work has succeeded based on how well it transmits its message. I want to illicit a level of comprehension in the audience beyond simply pushing it in their faces. This is why I love installations and interactive works too, because they naturally co-opt the audience through action. People seem more at liberty to react when you give them the chance to engage with your work in a tactile way.

 

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I think what I'm finding interesting here is the fact that the video and music seems to have become inseparable to some.

 

Does the album's statement stand on it's own without the visual imagery?

 

There is some music where I only like it because I like the music video. In most of these cases its because the music is deliberately terrible or saccharine in some way, like Kyarypamyupamyu's stuff or Die Antwoord. It's funny in that the music then serves to illicit memories of the music video, which is a pleasurable thing in itself. Sort of like when people quote movies back and forth at each other and there is some kind of pleasure in mutual recall. People like to feel connected!

 

I don't know if there really are people who can only listen to music with an accompanying music video (or people who actually don't even listen to the music but just like watching music videos) unless they were deaf.

 

Actually, even when I type that sentence I suddenly remember a friend who does exactly this - doesn't listen to music but likes watching music videos. It's super weird but then again I do love music videos and I think they are wonderful little mini narratives where the director has surprisingly a lot of room to move.

 

I've always wanted to make music videos myself.

 

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Speaking of games, the other day I was at a friend's house and he had an Oculus Rift dev kit. We all crowded around it taking turns and I was just floored by the gadget. I can't believe it has taken us about 40 decades from the VR dreams of the 1970's to get this technology into people's hands for $300. There are so many games I want to replay (and so many games I am afraid to) just because the 3D / head tracking enriches the experience so much. I was playing Half Life 2 and flinching when the manhacks were flying at my face. So awesome.

 

Funnily enough the Oculus Rift also induces some really weird sensations too. For instance, since you are seeing from the perspective of another body (in an FPS) things need to be calibrated to you or they just don't feel 'right'. I was staring at the crowbar in my hand and just thinking "Why is this crowbar so tiny? This is the world's tiniest crowbar. I feel oddly small."

 

I think there is potential to actually kill someone by making them play a horror game on the Oculus rift, or alternately, making them play a normal game on acid.

 

I am sorely tempted to by an Oculus Rift but I feel guilty because I wouldn't actually use the dev kit for any... devving. I would rather it find its way into the hands of someone who will do something awesome with it so that when the retail unit comes around I will have more fun...

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Those are some wild children...
never heard that one before.
I have these codes and naked is only the beginning of it.
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Speaking of games, the other day I was at a friend's house and he had an Oculus Rift dev kit. We all crowded around it taking turns and I was just floored by the gadget. I can't believe it has taken us about 40 decades from the VR dreams of the 1970's to get this technology into people's hands for $300. There are so many games I want to replay (and so many games I am afraid to) just because the 3D / head tracking enriches the experience so much. I was playing Half Life 2 and flinching when the manhacks were flying at my face. So awesome.

Funnily enough the Oculus Rift also induces some really weird sensations too. For instance, since you are seeing from the perspective of another body (in an FPS) things need to be calibrated to you or they just don't feel 'right'. I was staring at the crowbar in my hand and just thinking "Why is this crowbar so tiny? This is the world's tiniest crowbar. I feel oddly small."

I think there is potential to actually kill someone by making them play a horror game on the Oculus rift, or alternately, making them play a normal game on acid.

I am sorely tempted to by an Oculus Rift but I feel guilty because I wouldn't actually use the dev kit for any... devving. I would rather it find its way into the hands of someone who will do something awesome with it so that when the retail unit comes around I will have more fun...

There is a really good sci-fi story about a worldwide VR game with full body suits and the whole full-immersion gear in your home. A hacker figures out how to bypass the safety blocks and lock people into their VR gear - thus preventing them from exiting the game or calling for help. Unfortunately, the hacker did this to a woman that had a disease requiring regular doses of medication. The hero (also locked into the game) has to figure out a way to stop the hacker before she dies...
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I get a fair amount of that on my videos, though usually it is expressions of surprise from people who click on my videos and say "I thought you were a girl from the thumbnail!" There was one commenter who I somehow deeply offended by suggesting that the Beats Mixr was uncomfortable, and he thought the best way to score some massive damage against me was to write badly misspelt comments about how I was ugly. Totally worked btw. I'm vain like that. *sniff* 

Watching one of your videos I thought you were good looking which came as a surprise as I had pictured all headfiers as being ugly 50 year old virgins for some reason...
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He sounds like a character from some hilarious British comedy. You should have started a blog about "stupid things my roommate does".

 

They're not interesting stupid things, though.  The roommate I like actually gets into funnier **** all the time by chance.  For instance, he was offered a job by some guy in the "black mob" a few days ago after talking to a guy outside a "massage parlor" (which he wasn't visiting, but just happened to be by) for like 2 minutes.  IDK, he just has this charisma to him where shady characters are constantly trying to get him in on their schemes and he's not like that at all.

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Coming full circle, to those baptized in the Internet's smoldering cynicism such displays might seem tired and all too predictable. Which begs the question: can audiences today even be catalyzed fully? Our comfort as spectators is nothing new, and people have seemingly always harbored a morbid fascination with graphic public displays. The spectacle has always existed. Only now it's instantaneous. We can witness it in the comfort of our own homes whenever we so choose. We've reached a saturation point, so what does this mean for us as a society when such things become so common place? I wonder.

 

I heard an interesting phrase in a podcast: "The Attention Economy" - or the idea that as easily available entertainment and material wealth reaches oversupply / oversaturation, the only finite resource remaining is people's attention. 

 

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/01/esther_dyson_on.html

 

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Some writers have even speculated that "attention transactions" will replace financial transactions as the focus of our economic system (Goldhaber 1997Franck 1999). Information systems researchers have also adopted the idea, and are beginning to investigate mechanism designs which build on the idea of creating property rights in attention.

 

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Watching one of your videos I thought you were good looking which came as a surprise as I had pictured all headfiers as being ugly 50 year old virgins for some reason...

 

Maybe he just wasn't a fan of twinks ;)

 

When I think of a Head Fi'er I now generally tend to guess he is Asian lol.

 

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They're not interesting stupid things, though.  The roommate I like actually gets into funnier **** all the time by chance.  For instance, he was offered a job by some guy in the "black mob" a few days ago after talking to a guy outside a "massage parlor" (which he wasn't visiting, but just happened to be by) for like 2 minutes.  IDK, he just has this charisma to him where shady characters are constantly trying to get him in on their schemes and he's not like that at all.

 

Was this guy actually recruiting for the black mob, or was this some kind of meth head fantasy mob?

 

Your friend attracts shysters. What a great superpower!

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I have no idea, tbh.  My roommate said the dude had several grand in his wallet, though, when he took a piece of paper with his phone number our of it.

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The subject of music videos is a fascinating one to me. I think in some cases the visual aspect is meant to go hand-in-hand with the auditory to such an extent that separating them is getting half of the artist's intended presentation. I find this kind of synesthesia appealing, but then I'm also really fond of installation art and sound installations that feature multimedia components. All the better if it's interactive (I've talked about some of my favorites like Nam June Paik's works in past dairy entries). Similarly when some bands perform live they have stage shows involving multimedia, lights, costumes, etc. I think music videos can function in much the same way. In other instances they can be largely disposable, produced by individuals who have little to do with the band itself and are merely trying to make commercials to sell music. Most of the time though I suspect it's something in between: not a strict necessity but something that can add to the whole of an experience much like an album's artwork and packaging, an addendum or adjunct to the same underlying creative impulse. Take the inverse example of film for instance; the score is often an integral component that helps define the contours of what is presented visually even if the crux of the filmmaker's intent is communicated without it.

 

With The Knife's latest album I think the underlying intent is evident in what they've composed overall, though the consistency isn't always there. It has moments of sonic meandering like the ambient intermission at the end of the first side, something that actually reflects the more indulgent moments of art. At its best though, the album presents its art pop in a fairly blatant way. It's there stylistically, and it's there in the lyrics. It all harkens back to the intersection of politics and art and the latter's attempt to stir things up: Shaking The Habitual.

OhOh back to having to use the full screen editorconfused.gif What gives with that glitch?

 

 

I was reading Byrnes "How Music Works" a while back and he goes to great lengths to differentiate between performance bands and studio bands (not too mention how autotune has influenced the latter). It leads me to think that perhaps we should add video band, there are more than a few artists that would not exist in the mainstream were it not for video. At the weak end of that are the bands that use video for exposition so us dummies in the audience can "get it".

 

I start to wonder how in fact the thought of having to have a vid to promote the music actually influences the creative end of the process. For some bands I'm sure it is of no concern at all, the tracks get written laid down, selected, pressed and then some synergistic director gets a call to see if he can work on an interpretive visual work.

 

Spielberg (and I am still mightily pissed at you if you're out there Steve!) once made the comment "If you want to see how good a film is, turn off the sound. You should be able to get the whole message visually as it is a visual medium."  I think that's a very real perspective to have from one who understands the use of a visual medium (albeit to a confectioners degree at times). Perhaps we should use the obverse of this rule to evaluate bands.

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I'm not so sure I fully buy the Swedish government changed the law in 2012 just because they suddenly decided "hey, let's be progressive out of the goodness of our hearts." Didn't the mounting lawsuits and negative attention from the Internet have *something* to do with it? Wasn't it the Swedish courts that finally got the law changed and not the state's policy making itself? This was being protested by activists up until it was repealed, so it's not like it died a quiet death and people just kinda forgot about it and the government discovered it and balked that this relic still existed in the system, which is kind of the impression I got from some of the above posts. Coq raises some interesting points about loophools and weaknesses within the law, but the fact still remains a number of transgender people in Sweden *were* sterilized when they didn't want to be. The figure I read was around 500 individuals. You can read interviews with some of them if you want. One person talks about almost committing suicide because of the policy. Right now some of them are trying to get compensation from the state because of it. From my understanding, up until fairly recently, they still required some form of documented proof of sterilization if you wanted to have your gender changed on official documents whether they had the surgery in Sweden or not. For a lot of people that's actually a huge deal: being recognized legally as one's perceived sex. There were also policies preventing people from saving their gametes (ie. they destroy any sperm you try to preserve if you undergo an operation to reassign your gender surgically).

 

Just looking at the reaction of people in this thread kinda cements the weirdness of that for me: Sweden which is usually regarded as one of the most progressive places on earth when it comes to gender equality (just look at the toys their children play with...) has had such a dark and sinister law in their books for so long. You can try to rationalize it by bringing in practical consideration like "what do we call the parents??? OMG???" but come on, it's pretty clear the main impetus behind such policies is control and denigration. It took their courts to finally declare this unconstitutional in 2012. They aren't alone either: currently sixteen European countries require transgender people to undergo forced sterilization during their reassignment surgery if they want to be legally recognized as their perceived gender. This includes France, Italy, Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands, Greece, Poland, and Denmark. In contrast Spain, Germany, and the UK have no such requirement. However Ireland doesn't even legally recognize transpeople.

No, it would be naive to think that they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. Why it took them so long or why they changed it is probably for anyone to guess, but as said, it would be naive to think that the negative media didn't have anything to do with it. However, there have been suggestions and criticism (from politicians) since years back that this law was against basic human rights and that it needs to be changed. It needed a public push so that the parties voting for the law change could flex their goodwill muscles in the public eyes. But, as I said earlier, too few people were affected by it for them prioritize this issue, and as we all know politicians put their energy into where it affects most voters, unless they're working on their reputation in which goodwill is a good place to start but it's needs to be public. As for the courts changing the law, well, the courts can't change a law (technically speaking) - however, the courts had such a key role in changing the law that I can see why someone would label it as the courts changing the law.

 

Also, I don't think the main reason is that their systems couldn't handle it, but because of "Think of the children". The reactions to the law change has been quite mixed so to say: doctors, teachers and so on, has been vocal about it being lunacy to let "those ... people" have children and so on. Why transgenders aren't supposed to have children is beyond me, but the reactions have always been that if they did, the children would get mocked and picked on at school, and wouldn't have a safe and secure household to live in. It's prejudice and it's not right, but I do however think that mindset is representative of a big portion of our people. Swedes may have a reputation of being progressive or other fine superlatives, but the reality is that we have our fair share of nationalistic bigots as well, and some of them are politicians.

 

Now I'm pretty emptied on what I know about this law and the changing of it, which admittedly isn't a lot.

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FINALYYYYY, it's finished uploading and processing. I think this second attempt is far better then my first AKG video. i'm not mumbling all over the place in this one.

 

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Interesting discussion re art and communication, I think it's interesting that art can exist for it's own sake, even when it would typically be considered to be complimentary to some thing else. The art can take on a direction of its own and stray wildly from the brief or intention. Somehow I feel though that a confrontational art could be either a contrivance ie deliberately seeking to evoke a certain reaction, trying to be compelling etc or just confrontational because of the subject or content.

I can also though see the contradiction in my previous post, if an artwork has a particular political intention, I cannot criticise it for being political, as long as it isnt overly blunt or preachy. I guess in a way I don't like the idea of having my buttons pressed in an uncomfortable way, but this is more than likely going to be a different experience for somebody else. I mean maybe somebody would love to have Marc Quins blood head in their living room. Maybe this is one of those things where the artwork itself is an empty vessel and it is whatever you bring to it that gives it meaning.
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Boy bands and girl bands would not exist without the visual component. In the old days, the visual component was achieved through concerts, album covers, magazines and posters. Now it's videos. The message is the same - it's really just the speed & scope of distribution that has changed.
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I remember in the early days Metallica seemed to buck the trend of videos. They never released an official video until the single One from Justice For All. Some early bands saw videos as merely infomercials and were against using it as a medium because they deemed it no commercial. Interesting how perspectives change over time.

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