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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

How about a cute Japanese girl dancing cheesy among sweets and singing lyrics that make no sense

I don't see a difference.

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Some niches are simply to be as niche as possible. Having been exposed to that sort of world for quite some time, I can safely say that I understand the appeal, and it just makes the experience even worse. For all that it's good for, there are some really sick and screwed up mindsets and ongoings happening in East Asian pop-culture. As with any country. But the social stigma just incubates this stuff to no end. Foreign people can come in, not understanding as they simply approach it as the shallow, fun niche as they think it is. But if you've had prolonged exposure in a very real-life setting to this sort of stuff, it just seems sickening. I try to avoid talking about it as much as I can, which is why when people post anisong stuff like this (well, not like this, this stuff just happened to be stereotyped by western media, it's pretty benign, mind you - stuff of the same vein as this, I should say) I force myself from not commenting. In this case it was hard to hold back.

 

Muppet might not be able to listen to Hawkwind (which is an odd one out from the other stuff she mentioned, but I won't pry - I for one think of only exciting and fun things with Hawkwind). I can't do stuff like pop-culture anisong anymore. It's...well I wouldn't say it's fine if you like it, but out of political correctness, I must tolerate it. And I do.

 

post #17687 of 21409
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

I don't see a difference.

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Some niches are simply to be as niche as possible. Having been exposed to that sort of world for quite some time, I can safely say that I understand the appeal, and it just makes the experience even worse. For all that it's good for, there are some really sick and screwed up mindsets and ongoings happening in East Asian pop-culture. As with any country. But the social stigma just incubates this stuff to no end. Foreign people can come in, not understanding as they simply approach it as the shallow, fun niche as they think it is. But if you've had prolonged exposure in a very real-life setting to this sort of stuff, it just seems sickening. I try to avoid talking about it as much as I can, which is why when people post anisong stuff like this (well, not like this, this stuff just happened to be stereotyped by western media, it's pretty benign, mind you - stuff of the same vein as this, I should say) I force myself from not commenting. In this case it was hard to hold back.

 

Muppet might not be able to listen to Hawkwind (which is an odd one out from the other stuff she mentioned, but I won't pry - I for one think of only exciting and fun things with Hawkwind). I can't do stuff like pop-culture anisong anymore. It's...well I wouldn't say it's fine if you like it, but out of political correctness, I must tolerate it. And I do.

 

 

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For westerner's to reference See Bimbo Spears vid in schoolgirl outfit from years ago and ponder just why pop didn't mind buying that album for preeteen daughter. It's here too just has not developed into an industry yet.

post #17688 of 21409
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I posted my big W4R vs. UE900 vs. Sony XBA-40 comparo! :D

 

Part of the way through writing this comparison my write up took on a life of its own and became sort of an essay / rant / sermon about the state of the earphone market.

 

Kinda looking forward to intelligent input from you gentle folk about what I wrote because I honestly fear that some of the things I wrote will start some kind of awful argument that I am not interested in having about whether or not Earphone A really really really sounds as good as Earphone B.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/679046/comparison-review-the-quads-westone-w4r-vs-logitech-ue-900-vs-sony-xba-40

 

You know me. I'm kewl. It's all kewl.

I don't know if I should post here or on that thread. Not wanting to rile things up with other people, I'll stay here.

 

As an former owner of all but one (of which I have in hand) of these - I must say I do agree in general. The points about value, etc. For the sound impressions I do concur.

 

Although I also think the qualm about multi-BA setups might be jumping the gun a bit. Please don't bite.

 

Great job on attending to the soundstage thing. Thumbs up.

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Here's a question for you TwinQY. In a knock down, drag out, no holds barred street fight who would win, K-pop or J-pop? Enquiring minds want to know.

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What about C-Pop? 

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@a_recording

I'm about half way through your opening thread post and enjoying the read. I really wish you had decided to approach Tom with that essay and gotten it published on CYMBA. It's an excellent read and CYMBA needs more articles like that. i'm off to finish the article. Don't be surprised if your thread gets trolled by Westone and UE fan boys.

post #17692 of 21409
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

I don't know if I should post here or on that thread. Not wanting to rile things up with other people, I'll stay here.

 

As an former owner of all but one (of which I have in hand) of these - I must say I do agree in general. The points about value, etc. For the sound impressions I do concur.

 

Although I also think the qualm about multi-BA setups might be jumping the gun a bit. Please don't bite.

 

Great job on attending to the soundstage thing. Thumbs up.

 

Nah I won't bite. Post in there! I would like a good discussion :3

 

I almost feel like micro-drivers are like petrol engine vs diesel cars. We have gotten petrol engines up to a point where they work very well and get very high performance but they are still messy and inefficient. Diesel engines had all kinds of problems in the past but they are mostly resolved now. Today, a diesel engine uses less petrol and has more usable torque for urban driving but lacks mindshare among consumers. Meanwhile, companies are trying weird hybrid designs and all kinds of other technologies.

 

Same as with multi BA's versus dynamic drivers, and everything in between. Of course, the comparison falls apart when you look into the details. Diesel engines still produce more particulate matter and diesel fumes have now been classified as carinogenic. etc etc. Devil in the detail.

 

All I am saying is that dynamic drivers really do sound as good as BA's, though you can nitpick about what does better at what. That's all fine and dandy and it's cool people like what they like, but when one technology costs two, three or four times as much as another you really have to wonder.

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@a_recording

I'm about half way through your opening thread post and enjoying the read. I really wish you had decided to approach Tom with that essay and gotten it published on CYMBA. It's an excellent read and CYMBA needs more articles like that. i'm off to finish the article. Don't be surprised if your thread gets trolled by Westone and UE fan boys.

 

I might actually condense this article or just extract the ranty bits (removing the review) and post it as a straight essay for CYMBA... might make more sense that way anyway...

post #17694 of 21409
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I might actually condense this article or just extract the ranty bits (removing the review) and post it as a straight essay for CYMBA... might make more sense that way anyway...


I highly hope you do. What you're trying to say is well worth saying.

Comment posted in your thread. I think when you read it you'll find we're both on the same general page.

post #17695 of 21409
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Here's a question for you TwinQY. In a knock down, drag out, no holds barred street fight who would win, K-pop or J-pop? Enquiring minds want to know.

 

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What about C-Pop?

What about Lollipop?

post #17696 of 21409

Some more New Surf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of6o936sRXM       MF should love these guys. One of the better contemporary surf bands.

 

More in the same vein: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HUBTgr5fmA     Psychedelic surf music, good to zone-out too.

 

 

 

Gotta add the Aqua Velvets, they never get any love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXcypmhnbL8


Edited by 333jeffery - 8/27/13 at 10:59pm
post #17697 of 21409
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

I posted my big W4R vs. UE900 vs. Sony XBA-40 comparo! :D

 

Part of the way through writing this comparison my write up took on a life of its own and became sort of an essay / rant / sermon about the state of the earphone market.

 

Kinda looking forward to intelligent input from you gentle folk about what I wrote because I honestly fear that some of the things I wrote will start some kind of awful argument that I am not interested in having about whether or not Earphone A really really really sounds as good as Earphone B.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/679046/comparison-review-the-quads-westone-w4r-vs-logitech-ue-900-vs-sony-xba-40

 

You know me. I'm kewl. It's all kewl.

 

Fantastic review!  Interesting that I also have similar thoughts re soundstage as a distortion product.  I pay little attention to soundstage size in critical listening comparisons (mostly of digital components) as I find it is not always indicative of better technical performance.  "Detail" similarly can be misleading.  Transient response, timing or speed are much more reliable indicators IMO.

post #17698 of 21409
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Fantastic review!  Interesting that I also have similar thoughts re soundstage as a distortion product.  I pay little attention to soundstage size in critical listening comparisons (mostly of digital components) as I find it is not always indicative of better technical performance.  "Detail" similarly can be misleading.  Transient response, timing or speed are much more reliable indicators IMO.

 

Even that is difficult though. For instance, the SA5000 seems to have a really fast transient response and I can't tell if that is because it has very good high frequency transients or just because it has a lot of high frequency emphasis. (I suspect the latter) Certainly it graphs horribly but since we don't have information about its transient response at very high frequencies how sure can we be?

 

I do like the soundstage that some products have. Heck, I even kinda like the XBA-40 soundstage since its so darn weird. I just wish we had a better understanding of the ways in which we intrepret sound.

 

For instance, everyone says that full size headphones sound wider in soundstage compared to in-ears. I would agree with this. But in-ears generally measure remarkably well in terms of reproducing a given signal compared to full size headphones. So when we hear the wider soundstage of a full size headphone, are we hearing additional echoes or resonances inside the earcups? Maybe this is a good thing because it is what the recording engineer heard when mixing the track with their own equipment.

 

Who knows.... *brain hurts*

post #17699 of 21409

I just realised that one of the songs that I was listening to while writing the review may have influenced my writing subconsciously:

 

 

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first the words were good, they helped us understand
but then the sounds would double like holograms
post #17700 of 21409

Just re-watching Dark Knight and loving the Boom Boom Satellite at the scene in the club. Fits. I didn't realize while watching the first time, came across the fact a bit later on, forgot completely about it a year later, and now...

 

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Here's a question for you TwinQY. In a knock down, drag out, no holds barred street fight who would win, K-pop or J-pop? Enquiring minds want to know.

Sorry DigiHowILearnedToStopWorryingAndLoveTheArmatures, I went off right after you asked to type up a response, but it ended up turning into a (currently) 5000 word thing. And as you might have read from above I'm doing some...err, important work. I might have gone a bit overboard on the whole thing so I'll re-write it for brevity's sake tomorrow.

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