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Originally Posted by PhoenixClaw View Post

 

Wow. Looks very cool. I find rigid rectangular form factors cool for DAPs. It gives that feeling that it's a serious music playback device and not your average mp3 player.

 

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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post

 

iRiver?  Are they still actually around or are they just a zombie brand now?

 

 

Last time I checked yes they were still around although they are only a former shadow of what they once were. I'm keeping my eyes on that thread for more info and hopefully impressions. If there's a company who can put out a audiophile DAP whose UI works seamlessly like say iOS or Android it's iRiver. I just hope they don't go the Android route (doubtful) and the player itself isn't kneecapped, as in proprietary file support or sync software. Dual microSDHC slots that supports 64GB's with another 32 GB's onboard and playback support up to 192 Khz/24 bit, I'm loving it already. I wonder what kind of battery life this thing will be capable of and what their take will be on creating playlists.

 

 

Where the heck are the buttons and what does that big knob do?

 

 

@MuppetFace

 

Huge congrats and best wishes goes out your way on your new job. A big toast your way for a new beginning and future good times in your life.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 10/7/12 at 9:18pm
post #1607 of 21761
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Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post

The thing about ultrabooks is that they never really were meant for gaming nor tough computations. They were basically the next step from netbooks with slightly (okay, much) better performance. Some of them have been able to have the performance of a normal multimedia laptop, but since they are "design laptops" as well as having normal multimedia laptop performance crammed in that little space, the price goes very, very high. In my opinion they usually look good and would be perfect web browsing laptops to have instead of tablets or netbooks and a good complement to having a desktop - but not as your only computer or used for any kind of work that requires "horse power".

 

I really like notebookcheck! I've linked it here before, to MF when she was contemplating either a Samsung 700G7C (the gamer model of the Samsung Chronos that I have showed you) or the Alienware M[something]x. I use it daily when I window shop on my computer for a new laptop to buy, and when doing that you get a pretty good picture about the hardware and the laptops that are out nowadays.

 

The Samsung I suggested earlier is basically a laptop that I would buy myself if I wasn't interested in having a little more horsepower for gaming (on the go as well). Myself, I can't buy before christmas - but if you can, please make sure to post impressions and some gaming impressions as well. From my understanding, the Samsung should be able to do some gaming - but not at the very highest level of detail. It's incredible how the newer laptops seem to get closer to desktop performance - and seem to handle pretty much anything a normal person could do on a desktop, with ease and remain portable at the same time. That's something that not only impresses me but also, imo, shakes things around for the future - will desktops become obsolete for those that aren't in need of the extra horsepower (i.e. gamers)? The future will be interesting! wink.gif

 

Also, if you want to look at price performance ratio when comparing laptops, do check out Sager/Clevo laptops before buying anything else. They might not appeal to you, but they have apparently one of the best quality computers out there, with a lot of performance for every dollar.

 

For instance this one: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9170-gaming-laptop-clevo-p170em-p-4342.html

 

They're a fully customizable hardware wise, so you could go full GTX 680M on that one, and still be within a reasonable price for what you are getting.

 

Oh and yeah I appreciate it too my friend. smile.gif I'm sure we can help each other out here, because, well, we're both after something new. I can't afford one until after christmas, but until then I can window shop. biggrin.gif

 

To be entirely honest, I kind of built my desktop computer without knowing what I was doing. I mean, I knew how much I wanted to spend and what parts were and weren't quality for the price, but I don't think I fully realized what I wanted it for, let alone understood what was out there on the desktop replacment market at the time, back in mid August.

Had I been able to talk to you sooner, I would have definitely forgone a desktop for a 17.3" multimedia computer, like that Samsung. I agree with you --specifically in the 17.3" market-- that laptops are really stating to bridge the gap. As it stands now, I'm stuck with a desktop in a huge Cooler Master Haf 912 that rates 7.7 in processing, 7.7 in RAM, 7.9 in hard disk and 7.1 in desktop/gaming graphics, because I bought a Gigabyte HD6850OC for $150 instead of buying a better card. The 700Z7C-01US rates similar to my current desktop for not too much more, and I aready have a good monitor/speakers/Model-M keyboard at my desk.


I know, boo hoo hoo first world problems (I do truly appreciate the power that I have now, as I've been using the same old HP Elite since 2007) but I'm still a little frustrated because I just don't have any time to use my main computer by the end of the day. My Fujitsu's screen isn't big enough for assignments, and the school computers are way too limited; they're basically only good for web browsing, if you don't mind being logged... I'd much rather browse the web on a DNS Encrypted, peer protected laptop. rolleyes.gif

 

I think the Clevo PC you linked is great. Its incredible to think that with the Clevo I could build a laptop with the GTX 680M and FHD 90% NTSC Color Gamut display for around $2500, while still including Windows 7 Proffessional, 16GB's of 1600 RAM, a 750gb HD (w/ 8GB SSD Memory) and 128gb Crucial M4 as OS Drive!

However, the
question that is ultimately guiding my personal laptop purchase is this: Will it allow me to get 60 FPS on most games at between medium to high settings?

The 700G7C will allow me to run every game on the market right now at 60PFS minimum on high with low filtering, and many on ultra. The 700Z7C will definitely not do that, but your getting a much thinner computer with the same processing power and a 4 and half hour battery for less. The question is a matter of how long that 40nm GTX 675 will be relevant. I [hypothetically speaking] could buy the 700G7C from Microsoft today on sale for $1700, an incredible value. Is it worth spending $800 more on a GTX680M equiped Clevo that should max out every game coming out for a long while?

 

Would such a gaming laptop even last that long? tongue.gif $2500 is a lot of money, so realistically speaking, the Samsung Series 7 Gamer seems like a great place to cut my losses biggrin.gif


Edited by Sylverant - 10/7/12 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I've accepted a new teaching position, which means I'll be moving out-of-state. I'm really excited.

 

But also nervous.

 

That sounds really neat, but the move could also be really hectic! eek.gif

 

I hope everything turns out great.

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First off: Congratulations and good luck on your new work position, MF. I don't know why I say the latter, but I think it's appropriate. smily_headphones1.gif

Secondly: DF, any impressions of the M100 from experienced/"old" head-fiers yet? Sorry to inconvenience you like this, but I'm not going to wade across a lot of ... fanboy 'output' to look for said impressions. You could point to a general page and I will go wade through it still though. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I've accepted a new teaching position, which means I'll be moving out-of-state. I'm really excited.

 

But also nervous.

 

CONGRATULATIONS!

 

So is it Portland-or-bust now?

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Originally Posted by jgray91 View Post

Secondly: DF, any impressions of the M100 from experienced/"old" head-fiers yet? Sorry to inconvenience you like this, but I'm not going to wade across a lot of ... fanboy 'output' to look for said impressions. You could point to a general page and I will go wade through it still though. tongue.gif

 

Not an inconvenience at all, don't bother wading through the 400 plus page thread just yet you'll be wasting your time. The first units only began to ship Friday and the rest should all be shipping by the end of this coming week, hopefully. So far only a handful of us pre order people have gotten their shipping confirmations in the mail, unfortunately I'm not one of them. The only head-fier I know who has an actual M-100 is AnakChan who has Val's ear and who is a very experienced head-fier and will be posting some final impressions soon on the VTF-100 thread. I think he's intentionally holding back his observations until everyone else starts getting their units but I'm not sure about that. The first real or semi dependable impressions, depending on whose posting them, should start showing up I'm guessing Wednesday or Thursday. Some US people picked 2 day shipping and it's a holiday in Canada and the US this coming Monday so the first units should begin to arrive in peoples hands either Tuesday or Wednesday. Take what you read early on with a grain of salt because this can has got to be one the most crazy anticipated headphones to be released in awhile. People seem to literally be salivating to get these headphones. Either these will sound crazy great or the hype will have gone so overboard they'll be a huge flop for people, time will only tell. Once I get mine I'll be posting my impressions on this thread if you have any more questions feel free to ask on the thread or PM me. I'm only to glad to be helpful if I can.

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Thanks DF. I'll get back to you when the new week is over, after you got yours.
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I've accepted a new teaching position, which means I'll be moving out-of-state. I'm really excited.

 

But also nervous.

 

CONGRATULATIONS!

 

So is it Portland-or-bust now?

 

MuppetFace is rumored to appear in the 2013 season of Portlandia, is this true?

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Originally Posted by mutabor View Post

 

Actually ultrabooks are becoming very competitive in price/performance ratio. At least at 11" - 13" sizes. The majority of portable notebooks will be ultrabooks very soon. Being thin and light is not only a design attraction but it is becoming a technological norm. Apple managed to go ahead of competition but the tendency to thinner devices was there before.

 

For bigger laptops there is no need to make them particularly thin at least for now. Also introduction of Windows 8 with its touch interface pushes manufacturers to make desktops more maneuverable and flexible like Sony Tap 20. 

 

 

To be honest, I haven't seen even one ultrabook that is even remotely comparable to a normal laptop in the price performance ratio. Most ultrabooks in my experience are about 50%-100% more expensive than their fatter counterparts (especially when looking at Acer and other cheaper brands). On the other hand, I only compare prices in Sweden - but I can't imagine them being much different elsewhere.

 

Just like you, I think that ultrabooks are the future. The thinness and the ability to put pretty good hardware inside of them is a winning concept. The only thing they have going against them right now, in my experience, is the price.

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Originally Posted by Sylverant View Post

 

To be entirely honest, I kind of built my desktop computer without knowing what I was doing. I mean, I knew how much I wanted to spend and what parts were and weren't quality for the price, but I don't think I fully realized what I wanted it for, let alone understood what was out there on the desktop replacment market at the time, back in mid August.

Had I been able to talk to you sooner, I would have definitely forgone a desktop for a 17.3" multimedia computer, like that Samsung. I agree with you --specifically in the 17.3" market-- that laptops are really stating to bridge the gap. As it stands now, I'm stuck with a desktop in a huge Cooler Master Haf 912 that rates 7.7 in processing, 7.7 in RAM, 7.9 in hard disk and 7.1 in desktop/gaming graphics, because I bought a Gigabyte HD6850OC for $150 instead of buying a better card. The 700Z7C-01US rates similar to my current desktop for not too much more, and I aready have a good monitor/speakers/Model-M keyboard at my desk.


I know, boo hoo hoo first world problems (I do truly appreciate the power that I have now, as I've been using the same old HP Elite since 2007) but I'm still a little frustrated because I just don't have any time to use my main computer by the end of the day. My Fujitsu's screen isn't big enough for assignments, and the school computers are way too limited; they're basically only good for web browsing, if you don't mind being logged... I'd much rather browse the web on a DNS Encrypted, peer protected laptop. rolleyes.gif

 

I think the Clevo PC you linked is great. Its incredible to think that with the Clevo I could build a laptop with the GTX 680M and FHD 90% NTSC Color Gamut display for around $2500, while still including Windows 7 Proffessional, 16GB's of 1600 RAM, a 750gb HD (w/ 8GB SSD Memory) and 128gb Crucial M4 as OS Drive!

However, the
question that is ultimately guiding my personal laptop purchase is this: Will it allow me to get 60 FPS on most games at between medium to high settings?

The 700G7C will allow me to run every game on the market right now at 60PFS minimum on high with low filtering, and many on ultra. The 700Z7C will definitely not do that, but your getting a much thinner computer with the same processing power and a 4 and half hour battery for less. The question is a matter of how long that 40nm GTX 675 will be relevant. I [hypothetically speaking] could buy the 700G7C from Microsoft today on sale for $1700, an incredible value. Is it worth spending $800 more on a GTX680M equiped Clevo that should max out every game coming out for a long while?

 

Would such a gaming laptop even last that long? tongue.gif $2500 is a lot of money, so realistically speaking, the Samsung Series 7 Gamer seems like a great place to cut my losses biggrin.gif

No laptop will ever last "that long". Not when it comes to FPS in games. However, I feel pretty certain that at least the higher end graphics cards today will survive a few years in terms of being able to put on a good performance. I think that the gpu in the samsung you mention, the gamer edition, will last a while to come. The thing about that particular gpu is that it's a fermi based model which consumes more power than the kepler counterparts. Perhaps you'd want to wait for a while though, because nvidia will release the kepler counterpart of that particular gpu, and I imagine some laptop brands using that instead of that fermi one. On the other hand, that particular one seems to be pretty darn good otherwise, and if you don't need the graphics performance to be "the best" then you will have a great laptop at your hands.

 

The thing about Clevo is that it's upgradeable. You can either upgrade the gpu to a 680M, 7970M or even future graphics cards. I think that's a good investment because you can keep yourself up-to-date with the technology at the same time as keeping the laptop. That's a real good bonus for the Clevo imo.

 

Admittedly though, you'd be pretty well off with the Samsung. Despite the older technology, the graphics card is still one the best mobile graphics cards.

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For people who own or have tried the Fostex TH 900s:

I'm planning on buying these some time down the road if they are still available and I was wondering if anyone had amp recommendations. I need to factor it into my purchasing decision in terms of price.

thanks
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Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post

To be honest, I haven't seen even one ultrabook that is even remotely comparable to a normal laptop in the price performance ratio. Most ultrabooks in my experience are about 50%-100% more expensive than their fatter counterparts (especially when looking at Acer and other cheaper brands). On the other hand, I only compare prices in Sweden - but I can't imagine them being much different elsewhere.

 

Vizio 14" Ultrabook $600

 

Intel i3-3217U 1.8GHz, 4GB DDR3, 1600x900 LED, Intel HD4000, 128GB SSD, aluminum body

 

There are ultrabooks with hard drives + small SSD space for OS which cost around $600. Check here.

 

You can't buy significantly better laptops with the specs and build of Vizio 14". Maybe $100 cheaper but with crappy build quality and no SSD.

 

Even if top-end ultrabook like Asus Zenbook Prime costs more than $1000 its price is justifiable not only by a thin and light construction but also by IPS display and SSD which regular sub $1000 laptops don't have. 

 

Other nice cheaper ultrabooks on the market are Lenovo Ideapad U310 ( interesting design, great keyboard), Toshiba Portege R935 ( magnesium body, very light), Asus Zenbook with hard drives ( aluminum uni-body), Sony Vaio T.


Edited by mutabor - 10/8/12 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by mutabor View Post

Vizio 14" Ultrabook $600

 

Intel i3-3217U 1.8GHz, 4GB DDR3, 1600x900 LED, Intel HD4000, 128GB SSD, aluminum body

 

There are ultrabooks with hard drives + small SSD space for OS which cost around $600. Check here.

 

You can't buy significantly better laptops with the specs and build of Vizio 14". Maybe $100 cheaper but with crappy build quality and no SSD.

 

Even if top-end ultrabook like Asus Zenbook Prime costs more than $1000 its price is justifiable not only by thin and light construction but also by IPS display and SSD which regular sub $1000 laptops don't have. 

 

Other nice cheaper ultrabooks on the market are Lenovo Ideapad U310 ( interesting design, great keyboard), Toshiba Portege R935 ( magnesium body, very light), Asus Zenbook with hard drives ( aluminum uni-body).

Vizio isn't exactly an example I'd bring up to make a point. wink.gif 

 

 

Warning: Vizio owners stay out (Click to show)

I don't want to step on any Vizio owner's feet, but the only thing that seems good about the specs of that particular one is the SSD disk. The processor is pretty sub-par, the HD4000 works (but is pretty .. bad .. for graphics intense purposes even if it's better than the HD3000), the build seems bad and the screen, touchpad and keyboard doesn't seem too good. Still, build quality, touchpads, keyboards and screen isn't in my definition of performance. Performance is basically (sometimes specific) computations per time unit. Resolution I could accept as performance is the argument was solid.

 

However, there were some ultrabooks in there that seemed okay for the price, but again, I'm mainly looking at Swedish prices where most of those are at $1000. For about $600 we get laptops with significantly better specs than most normal ultrabooks. Discrete graphic cards, hybrid disks, i7 processors and more RAM. Those parts makes for better performance than the Vizio for the same or even less money. As said, the only real good thing about it, performance wise, is the SSD.

 

We have for example this one: http://www.asus.com/Notebooks/Versatile_Performance/K53SM/#overview for about the same price as the Vizio. 

We also have this one: http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/acer_aspire_V3-571G-9435.aspx for about the same price as the Vizio (albeit this one is on rebate for the moment, perhaps an unfair comparison).

This one is significantly cheaper than any ultrabook: http://www.fujitsu.com/fts/products/computing/pc/notebooks-tablets/all-round/lifebook-ah531/

 

Again, I don't disagree that ultrabooks are the future, but I don't think we're there yet. At least not in terms of performance.

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Thread Starter 

Thanks for the congratulatory remarks and well-wishes, folks. I really appreciate it.

 

Yes, I'll be moving to Portland, but not until next year. I'm using that as an excuse to finally buy a nice car too.

 

 


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Originally Posted by compoopers View Post

For people who own or have tried the Fostex TH 900s:
I'm planning on buying these some time down the road if they are still available and I was wondering if anyone had amp recommendations. I need to factor it into my purchasing decision in terms of price.
thanks

 

They aren't that picky. Even using a DAP or notebook's internal amp, they'll probably sound great.

 

Consider: Fostex's own amps like the A8 or, if you have the money, Eddie Current gear like the ZDSE and BA. Otherwise a portable amp like the Leckerton UHA-6S works quite well with them IMO.

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Thread Starter 

Also I've fallen in love with the Resolution Cantata:

 

 

 

 

 

 

What a beautiful object. This is probably going to be my next source upgrade.

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Originally Posted by Tilpo View Post

Sometimes mods remove a lot of posts. Either you remembered wrong, or the mods removed an entire conversation.
Though I can't recall a recent conversation in which such measures were necessary.

 

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Well there was such a conversation very a while back that's been culled during Europe's sleep cycle, so there's that. Or was it back in the old thread? Hmm. But yes, recently I don't think there's any such conversation.

 

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Sometimes, the inadvertent happens when admins are pruning posts. For example, on 17 July 2012, staff went inside the Woo-Audio-Amp-Unite thread to remove a conversation. The action taken removed the entire thread eek.gif from the website! And they were not aware what had happened until a couple of us tried to post and poof...nowhere in sight.

 

I immediately contacted currawong - he responded like a Super Hero.biggrin.gif

 

thanks, guys.  the older i get, the harder it is to be absolutely sure of anything wink_face.gif

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