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Yeah, Jazz At the Pawnshop is a classic audiophile review staple. Darkseid of the Moon, too. Overused perhaps but still good. I dig 'em.

 

LOL @ Norah Jones and Diana Krall. They're like the audio equivalent of a big fluffy bed comforter. They'll never not sound decent on just about anything. Next thing you know, you've fallen asleep.

 


 

So I mentioned Goldmund's ridiculous $12,000 HE-6 rebadge. Apparently they've done the rebadge thing before: http://www.head-fi.org/t/285743/goldmund-v-s-pioneer


Edited by MuppetFace - 4/27/13 at 5:10pm
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Make a little effort at editing and I would read that. I like knowing what other people test with.

It's my attempt at conveying frustration.

But in another nutshell

- Alison Krauss

- Pink Floyd

- Bueno Vista Social Club

- Dave Brubeck

- Overexposed classical suites

- Joao Gilberto

- Eric Clapton

- Nirvana

- Radiohead

- Yo Yo Ma

- James Blunt and other Pitchfork-esque style newbies

- Any critically acclaimed movie symphonic OST

- Diana Krall

- Eric Clapton

- Norah Jones

- JAZZ AT THE PAWNSHOP

Are the usual trending artists, to give an idea.

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Then again there are people who like pairing the DX1000 with a Leben with the bass boost all the way up, so I have to remind myself that "slam" for some people means turning their brain matter into a smoothie.

 

Either way, it seems Sennheiser has taken the "lacks bass" criticism to heart and have given folks more bass. The IE800? Sub bass. The HD700? Mid bass. While they're definitely bumped up in sheer quantity, the quality of said bass has taken a dive.

Reminds me that there was a DX1000 at the meet, but I didn't listen to it, although I'm in contact with the owner(we had bubble tea and burgers after the meet) so I might try and wing a listen. He's got a K1000(in need of recabling) as well, so That could be interesting.

 

There was a talk from Axel Grell about the design process of the IE800 and he did rather skip the bass thing, saying the bump in subbass was to accommodate for portable use and thus interference from car/train/etc ground vibrations...not that it helps in a quiet listening environment, but I guess Sennheiser are still going off the IE800 being primarily for portable use?

 

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Apropos meets, I got to spend more quality time with the Denon D7000 last week than when I first tried it last year. I take back a lot of the bad things I used to say about it because it's really amazing how much it does right. But I still can't get past the bass resonance that makes it boomy on certain notes. So close to truly great, though.

My D5K died during the meet from (presumably, somewhat less than incredibly gentle kid glove handling).frown.gif

 

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Meet music in a nutshell-

Alison Krauss Alison Krauss Dark Side of the Moon Dark Side of the Moon Bueno Vista Social Club Bueno Vista Social Club Jazz at the Pawnshop Jazz at the Pawnshop Kind of Blue Kind of Blue Time Out Time Out Nutcracker Suite Nutcracker Suite Joao Gilberto Joao Gilberto Nevermind Nevermind Radiohead Radiohead Jazz at the Pawnshop Jazz at the Pawnshop Yo-Yo Ma Yo-Yo Ma James Blunt James Blunt Inception Soundtrack Inception Soundtrack Diana Krall Diana Krall Eric Clapton Unplugged Eric Clapton Unplugged Norah Jones Norah Jones Jazz at the Pawnshop Jazz at the Pawnshop 
Jazz. AT. THE. PAWNSHOP.

Spent 5+ hours reading over reviews and the main threads on the Anedio D2 and Invicta yesterday. 
It's too bad no one nearby owns either one...

But but but... TAKE FIVE
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It's my attempt at conveying frustration.

 

 

Are the usual trending artists, to give an idea.

 

Thanks!

 

The usual suspects are usual suspects for good reasons, usually. Familiarity with the music and the recording makes it easier to judge the equipment, not the music. Common benchmarks also make it easier to compare your experiences with fellow listeners.

 

In addition, you would rather listen to music that you want to listen to, right? Dark Side of the Moon didn't sell millions of copies just because it's a great demo record; it's pretty good music on its own terms.

 

Meets are actually a great way to be introduced to new music (last week I got to hear some new Ruins I hadn't heard before), but I consider that an ancillary activity.

 

That said, I have hardly any of the usual audiophile standards -- A Meeting by the River (which seems to have fallen out of favor these days) is the only one that comes to mind. Ry Cooder's Talking Timbuktu but not Buena Vista.

 

But there's no Diana Krall, no Pink Floyd, no audiophile-label recordings aside from the above-mentioned and some Blue Nile disks belonging to my partner (thus, no Chesky, no Jazz at the Pawnshop...). Nearly the only movie soundtrack in our house is for Akira (which is fantastic music but holy poop it is SO badly mastered it makes me sad).

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It's great that people have common ground on a comparative scale, I agree. But it only takes a few bad eggs to over-glorify something to absurd standards. When people come to me touting Jazz in the mother[redacted] Pawnshop as being the epitome of musicality it geniunely irks me on a very elitist level (on my part). All relative, I know. But instead of restricting the conversation in terms of audio they have to get all in my face about it. To me, that would be crossing the line. It's really not about the music but more about the people who listen to it.

 

As you can see I've had some very poor experiences with music nerds at meets.

 

Anyways, to quote something from a forum that most here will know about - 

 

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 Absurd thinking of the audiophiles out there who buy some fancy dac and then just listen to 16 albums.

 

Actually I love Pink Floyd and Burbeck. Whenever I have to experience another's rig I usually just jump to those two. The Wall is more often than not too long to sit through so I'll just load up Money on DSOFM or something. In fact one of my most glorious audio epiphanies came out of an audition in stores of Money on the PS1000s. Bar none, some of the greatest sound I have ever experienced.

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Not surprised Sennheiser would be one of the worst offenders when it comes to that sort of thing. They're synonymous with "audiophile headphones" and have a pretty active presence in the hobby.

 

The HD800 in particular gets saddled with that reputation, and there's this perverse insistence that it's a "jazz and classical only" headphone. Granted there are certain headphones that are just really well suited to these genres from a timbrel standpoint, but in cases like this the genre restriction thing is often a softened insult more or less. For instance the supposed lack of bass impact isn't suited for certain genres. I keep harping on about this, but I feel that this comes from people not pairing it with an amp that does it justice. The bass on the HD800 is actually extremely capable. Not quite up to the level of an LCD-3 that works properly ("works properly" being the operative assumption), but it's still really good. Then again there are people who like pairing the DX1000 with a Leben with the bass boost all the way up, so I have to remind myself that "slam" for some people means turning their brain matter into a smoothie.

 

Something sad in the form of alliteration: Sennheiser is seemingly selling themselves short. A friend of mine spent quite a bit of time with their new amp paired up with his HD800, and according to him the pairing is not that great. He vastly preferred several third party amps. Granted one or two folks are hyping the Senn amp up quite a bit by proclaiming it to be the absolute best solution for the HD800, and while that makes more sense (why wouldn't Sennheiser be able to make a fantastic amp for their own headphones?), my tastes are more aligned with my above-cited friend rather than these other individuals. Either way, it seems Sennheiser has taken the "lacks bass" criticism to heart and have given folks more bass. The IE800? Sub bass. The HD700? Mid bass. While they're definitely bumped up in sheer quantity, the quality of said bass has taken a dive.

 

Okay, so another tangent.

 

Audiophile myth # 354: "Open headphones can't do lots of bass."

 

Definitely false. See the Beyerdynamic DT990, Audez'e LCDs, Grado PS1000, Grado PS-1, and TakeT H2+. The Grados in particular are good examples, because they also happen to dispel audiophile myth # 355 ("Grados can't do lots of bass"). The PS-1 was actually crowned the King of Bass---not to be confused with the leader of the fish armada---for a while on head-fi. Similarly piezoelectric film is known for not providing satisfying bass, but that's more a limitation of the technology at the time of its main use, something that has been overcome today by the TakeT H2+ which can be ridiculously bassy depending on the amp behind it.

Open headphones certainly don't have as much sub-bass presence as the TH900/D7000/D5000/DX1000.

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Open headphones certainly don't have as much sub-bass presence as the TH900/D7000/D5000/DX1000.


Listen to the TakeT and get back to me on that.

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When I'm testing gear, I use the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack. It covers pretty much every genre, and shows what equipment can really do. If I want something kinda different, I'll pop in the Trigun ost, which is great for showing what gear can do with drums and electronica.

 

As for the HD800 and bass, maybe burn-in helps these 'phones as mine now sound more "bassy" than when I got them back in December. Not quite soulless anymore on rock/pop. I can listen to the Clash on them without going to sleep now!

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When I'm testing gear, I use the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack. It covers pretty much every genre, and shows what equipment can really do. If I want something kinda different, I'll pop in the Trigun ost, which is great for showing what gear can do with drums and electronica.

As for the HD800 and bass, maybe burn-in helps these 'phones as mine now sound more "bassy" than when I got them back in December. Not quite soulless anymore on rock/pop. I can listen to the Clash on them without going to sleep now!

I LOVE the Bebop OST. I spin "Words that We Couldn't Say", "Car 24", "Call Me, Call Me", "Space Lion" and "Blue" a lot. Gets me emotional man
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I love Mai Yamane's voice, especially on "Blue", "Gotta Knock a Little Harder" and "Want it All Back". The tracks "Butterfly" and "Fantasie Sign" are also choice. And when I watch episode 5, the song "Rain" just gives me chills...

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Listen to the TakeT and get back to me on that.


Perhaps, one day. However, that doesn't change the fact that closed-backs have superior bass in quantity (+ quality with the TH900s) with great impact when in contrast with the majority of the open-backs. My part-time job is mastering and mixing mainly with electronic music. While I like to use my monitor speakers, sometimes headphones are a necessity. Sub-bass and the lower frequency region of  <100 Hz is an extremely difficult task to analyze. From my inventory, the SA5000 is the worst in reproducing these frequencies and I was waiting for a headphone like the TH900 for a long time since it provides the quality that other closed-backs: DX1000, D7000/D5000, and Beats (these ace in quantity), lack.

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I haven't done a Bebop viewing in years. Might have to do so when I get some time. Did the show ever get a BD release?
Edited by Idsynchrono_24 - 4/27/13 at 7:19pm
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- Alison Krauss

- Pink Floyd

- Bueno Vista Social Club

- Dave Brubeck

- Overexposed classical suites

- Joao Gilberto

- Eric Clapton

- Nirvana

- Radiohead

- Yo Yo Ma

- James Blunt and other Pitchfork-esque style newbies

- Any critically acclaimed movie symphonic OST

- Diana Krall

- Eric Clapton

- Norah Jones

- JAZZ AT THE PAWNSHOP

Are the usual trending artists, to give an idea.

 

Wow.  While I do listen to some of that stuff from time to time, rather sparingly I must say, I generally find myself listening to something fairly different.  Right now I'm completely infatuated with

 

 

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My D5K died during the meet from (presumably, somewhat less than incredibly gentle kid glove handling).frown.gif

 

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frown.gif  So sad.  Reminds me of what happened to Wyldrage's HE-5LE... which is not unlike mine.

 

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Please be gentle to me.

 

Hello again.  smile.gif

 

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Open headphones certainly don't have as much sub-bass presence as the TH900/D7000/D5000/DX1000.


Listen to the TakeT and get back to me on that.

 

Snap!  Gauntlet thrown down...  ::off to Google what a TakeT is::

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Guys guys guys...

Wolf's Rain OST. 

Because the only real music we should use as test tracks is acoustic and nothing more.

 

Speaking of Kanno. 23ji no Onagaku is an underrated gem.

 

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Perhaps, one day. However, that doesn't change the fact that closed-backs have superior bass in quantity

An interesting question to pose though, would be "why?"


Edited by TwinQY - 4/27/13 at 7:17pm
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