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I don't know if any of you like Cuban or Puerto Rican music, but I thought I'd post a few songs for anyone who's interested.  I spent a nice chunk of my life playing this stuff, so I'm a little attached and biased.  Here goes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. What's up with that thing those people like anyway?
  2. Food is delicious.
  3. I like music.


So, nothing out of the ordinary. I see.

post #10398 of 21761
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The original diary thread was created by kiteki as a repository for his impressions and musings on audio. While the tone wasn't exactly "serious" and prone to tangential outcroppings, overall the experience of audio was at the core of it all and largely informed everything else that orbited around it like a solar system.

 

Some might remember that the original thread was actually in the portable audio section. Even though its successors were moved to the Members' Lounge, I think the same spirit largely carried over: the binding crux of this thread is still the experience of this hobby, expressed in both music appreciation and gear lust.

 

Of course, we discuss other stuff too: some of it heavy, some of it not. I think many of the regulars have an interest in sociology and psychology, in culture and in the interactions of people. Often times it seems to be inspired by or tie back to the audio hobby. It's that human side I like so much personally, the motivations behind head-fiers doing what they do and how they approach this stuff.

 

With the original diary thread kiteki very much tapped into that; it provided him an outlet for sharing his feelings, desires, hang-ups... he was able to create this palpable mood. It was exuberance for "it all," stopping to look at and appreciate details like strain reliefs and the colors used in ads and the irrationality behind our loving certain things like that. It was talking about certain sounds being purple or what they might taste like.

 

So yeah, serious audio discussion definitely has a place here. It's just my hope that it's done in a spirit of playfulness at times. I think some of us (myself included) get a bit jaded from time to time and we forget how to see things through the eyes of a novice. We forget that sense of wonderment, that overwhelming sense of being lost yet still enjoying it. We get too comfortable with our preferences, too self assured about the routine of it all. Discovery should be exciting, and sharing it with others is part of that.

 


 

There's also a flow to this virtual space, I think.

 

At the best of times conversation here is loose, but it doesn't flop about enough to make you reach for your wallet to put under its tongue. It's all a balancing act (not to be confused w/ driver 8's amp). I get the feeling that some people see my TL;DR posts like this one and get weary and think we're a public library or something. On the other hand, there's also a tendency for people to think this place is an "anything goes" random chat thread or something, or worse: a place to fill up page after page with meme recitals at breakneck speed. Basically we try to maintain a fairly balanced signal-to-noise ratio here.

 


 

Also the "diary" format is kinda cool because it not only provides an outlet for expression, it does so in a way that is well-suited for this kind of stuff I think: it allows folks to discuss their experience over time as it develops, something that is vital for formulating an authentic set of listening impressions in my opinion. Our relationship to audio isn't static, right? Merzbow aside. 

 

But yeah, I share bits and pieces of my daily life as do others here. Audio is just too integrated into it to try to parse it out, at least not without doing some violence to one's experience. Forming mental schema for how we perceive various people on the forums is a fascinating subject to me (and a_rec). More than just idle curiosity however, it gives people a frame of reference.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

My slight wasn't really against this thread in particular but rather to have been a thinly veiled criticism against some other attitudes on other appreciation threads and the likes. 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

If I want to establish a mutual appreciation thread than by god I should be able to. Sometimes people cross the line and go from being haughty to just being downright hostile and inclusive without due justification. 

Anyways I shouldn't have brought that drama over here but it's been in the back of my mind for so long everything came out as word vomit. If I read it more carefully I realize that my statement hadn't anything to do with the situation during the time. 

 

When I was first lurking and had seen kiteki's thread (it was ~20 pages in at the time) I was confused with the direction he had been planning to take, so just left it as yet another spur-of-the-moment HF phenomenon. Would have no idea it'd turn out the way it did. 

 

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He means the CKN70.

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I did. Same problem with the treble as well as my usual disagreement with dynamic IEMs and percussion. The XBA-30s still hold my proverbial crown for IEMs, even after trying the TG334s. What I don't understand is when people post about the JVC (some bunch of letters)70s -- when I tried those they were terrible.

Could be the FXD70 or FX700 he's referring to.

 

But the CKN70 is interesting. For whatever reason it's gotten more energetic and grating the longer I've acclimatized to them. Already my expectations from the beginning was that they would've been typical AT harsh but it had not been the case at all. Perhaps my bias nullified my actual perception and only now is the counter-effect starting to wear off? 

 

At first everything was startling forward about them, bass and mids alike. But it was in a warmed over sort of way.

 

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The thing is with the EX1000 depending on the tips I wore the treble spikes would get worse or slightly less invasive. I needed to use the hybrid tips combined with a custom tip in order to get a very good seal and in turn helped to tame the spikes to a certain extent. But it wasn't enough to cure the issue and it was still bad for me in the end. Funnily I found the hybrid tips on the MDR-7550s to accentuate treble spikes more and in that it was more noticeable (compared to using V-moda bass tips or JVC tips). I also noticed that it doesn't matter on how good the fit is on the MDR-7550s in regards to picking up treble spikes. A lose fit or tight fit it doesn't matter in my case... While on the EX1000 using  those hybrid tips combined with another tip helped to lower treble spikes (yet having a lose fit with other tips would noticeably increase the issue)... In the end I much preferred the V-moda bass tips on the MDR-7550s which gives me the best fit and sound. The sound stage is more open and not so unnaturally narrow (which is a byproduct of the hybrid tips).

With the tip thing I couldn't have bothered with anything other than the foam-filled Hybrids. For the peaks, it goes to show how the EXs are really poster boys for the benefits of parametric EQ. Unlike most IEMs they've been so malleable up top, never retaining the tizz even after suppressing the peaks like on other IEMs (coughW4cough). 

 

But then again I'd take a bullet in exchange for their almost unparalleled timbral qualities.

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I listened to the author reading maybe half of this incredibly long, meandering, but enjoyable (for me at least) review of Bioshock Infinite last night.  Might be a good read if anyone's interested.  It's also mostly spoiler free. 

 

I've still only played like an hour of the game.  I should probably do more of that next week, but for now the new Monster Hunter is eating up hideous portions of my time.

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I don't know if any of you like Cuban or Puerto Rican music, but I thought I'd post a few songs for anyone who's interested.  I spent a nice chunk of my life playing this stuff, so I'm a little attached and biased.  Here goes:

 

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I quite enjoy the ramblings of MuppetFace in this space. And watching her reactions to the audio industry, including consumers. An ebb & flow, if you would, much in the same way one pays attention to a Barometer. 

 

And with the w-i-d-e variety of topics discussed here by regulars, this thread covers a lot of ground. Pressed for time? Being watched by your boss? A quick stop here could very well satisfy the boss and the worker. Who doesn't like efficiency? biggrin.gif

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Since MF was interested in shots of a consumer model of the gold plated AS-2 I thought I'd link to some great shots that just popped up a second ago:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/606471/aurisonics-impressions-reviews-discussions-thread/3030#post_9371212

I hope that they sound as good as they look smily_headphones1.gif
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The difference between the EX1000 and MDR-7550 is actually only a few dBs, with both Sonys being more spiky than the TOGO 334.

 

From what I can tell, it's 3dB difference across the treble section with as much as 5db reduction in the peaks. When you EQ stuff by 3dB it's actually quite audibly significant. Certainly the EX1000 and 7550 sound very different. I love the 7550 to the point where I've tried to add HIFIMan filters to the EX1000 to see if I could get them close. Sadly they peeled off. :P

 

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It was good timing for me to read this thread again. I have the same issues with IEMs that have such a strong treble spike, though the last time it was the previous versions of the AT line. I'll have to see if I can't find a demo 7550 in the stores next time I am in the city. I don't know if it was the changes they made but ATs CKM99 and 90PRO sounded very good for a dynamic, which was an unusual experience, but more so that the treble didn't bother me as much as it had in the past.

 

The 90Pro is a twin BA? :o

 

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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

At the best of times conversation here is loose, but it doesn't flop about enough to make you reach for your wallet to put under its tongue. 

 

I like this.

 

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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

 

But the CKN70 is interesting. For whatever reason it's gotten more energetic and grating the longer I've acclimatized to them. Already my expectations from the beginning was that they would've been typical AT harsh but it had not been the case at all. Perhaps my bias nullified my actual perception and only now is the counter-effect starting to wear off? 

 

At first everything was startling forward about them, bass and mids alike. But it was in a warmed over sort of way.

 

My thoughts about the CKN70 have meandered from 'these are okay' to where they currently are now, which is 'these are terrible'. I just think they are warm and swampy with this strange treble peak that makes everything sound raw and shimmery at the same time. It's not the traditional sibilant S peak though, but something higher that carries across this perception of high frequency detail in some tracks and a cheap high pass filter EQ in others.

 

I think the cheap cable really makes me feel more negatively about the CKN70 than I otherwise would though. I don't know how they could think to get away with labelling anything 'premium' with that kind of garbage cable. (It really is as bad as the nasty cables you get from those $2 / $3 earbuds. I mean it's been more than a month and still has the kinks from when it was bundled up out of the box.

 

The FXD80 I think delivers a more natural sound for half the price and better build quality, though I think quality control between pairs is an issue. (Also I think I lost my new pair, which makes me hate myself more than usual). The RE-400 is around the same price as the CKN70 and really makes the CKN70's build and sound seem embarassing for Audio Technica. I don't like it when companies target arbitrary price points at the expense of making good products.

 

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And with the w-i-d-e variety of topics discussed here by regulars, this thread covers a lot of ground. Pressed for time? Being watched by your boss? A quick stop here could very well satisfy the boss and the worker. Who doesn't like efficiency? biggrin.gif

 

Broad topic variety. Thread efficient. Abathur approves.

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In my last post, before I forget, I meant the JVC FX700 being the IEMs I don't understand why people like. I don't listen very loud at all, between 70-80dB most of the time. 

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

It was good timing for me to read this thread again. I have the same issues with IEMs that have such a strong treble spike, though the last time it was the previous versions of the AT line. I'll have to see if I can't find a demo 7550 in the stores next time I am in the city. I don't know if it was the changes they made but ATs CKM99 and 90PRO sounded very good for a dynamic, which was an unusual experience, but more so that the treble didn't bother me as much as it had in the past.

 

The 90Pro is a twin BA? :o

 

It is?!? I remember it was the old 99 and 100 (I forget the letters) that bothered me considerably. It just so happened that there was an AT called the 90PRO on the rack, so I tried it as well. Why the heck they have two ranges I don't understand. Actually, I'd say that with the XBA series being the exception, I don't understand why manufacturers have all these confusing product names.  One letter followed by one number should be enough.

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Confusing model names and tiering - GR02 R-02II Evergreen Flagship Silver Edition versus GR02 R-02II Bass Flagship Silver Edition versus GR02 R-02II super sugoi desu Flagship chocolate chip kokoro Edition.


Enough said.

 


 

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My thoughts about the CKN70 have meandered from 'these are okay' to where they currently are now, which is 'these are terrible'. I just think they are warm and swampy with this strange treble peak that makes everything sound raw and shimmery at the same time. It's not the traditional sibilant S peak though, but something higher that carries across this perception of high frequency detail in some tracks and a cheap high pass filter EQ in others.

 

I think the cheap cable really makes me feel more negatively about the CKN70 than I otherwise would though. I don't know how they could think to get away with labelling anything 'premium' with that kind of garbage cable. (It really is as bad as the nasty cables you get from those $2 / $3 earbuds. I mean it's been more than a month and still has the kinks from when it was bundled up out of the box.

 

The FXD80 I think delivers a more natural sound for half the price and better build quality, though I think quality control between pairs is an issue. (Also I think I lost my new pair, which makes me hate myself more than usual). The RE-400 is around the same price as the CKN70 and really makes the CKN70's build and sound seem embarassing for Audio Technica. I don't like it when companies target arbitrary price points at the expense of making good products.

I think you've hit the mark with that. Today I tried messing around with shelving the treble on the W4 through Audacious, and the tizz effect (very much reminiscent of the 70s) was remnant no matter what I did to change it. And then I realized the high pass filter was on +4dB. Fantastic. 

 

I haven't had the cable kink too terribly but the paint on the shell's been peeling further and further away.

Also have the FXD80s in the cupboard along with the M2s and other cruft I have little use for. The tonality's rather different between the two so I'd think a more apt comparison would be between the 70s and the CKM500. 

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Oh and in terms of music - love the funk recs. 

On the other side of the coin, personally I'm stuck on listening to Fermata by Toy - greatly accessible '90s retro pop (much less dark and anti-poppish in A Night In Seoul) that really gets you into the vibe of that particular place and era. 

Cheerful version -                                                                                  Sad version -

Most likely the Koreans in the crowd will know this like the back of their hand, but for the benefit of those who are unfamiliar with Toy...

And his denser compositions - 

If you can, I'd recommend giving the entire album a listen - track 13 on Fermata is probably my top choice for testing ambience and background noise on gear.

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It is?!? I remember it was the old 99 and 100 (I forget the letters) that bothered me considerably. It just so happened that there was an AT called the 90PRO on the rack, so I tried it as well. Why the heck they have two ranges I don't understand. Actually, I'd say that with the XBA series being the exception, I don't understand why manufacturers have all these confusing product names.  One letter followed by one number should be enough.

 

As I understand it, the AT line goes as follows: CK for their high end BA's (and PRO variants that I guess are hand matched and targeted at artists as well as consumers), CKM for dynamics, CKS for their bass line, CKW for anything using wood and CKN for their micro-driver stuff.

 

I have the 90Pro, though the cable has a hole in it now. I'd like to get it recabled; I really liked the 90Pro and I wonder what the 90Pro MK2 is like.

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Now that the JPS Labs Abyss headphones were displayed for auditioning at NY 2013, has anyone heard it yet? Care to elaborate on its sound?

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

It is?!? I remember it was the old 99 and 100 (I forget the letters) that bothered me considerably. It just so happened that there was an AT called the 90PRO on the rack, so I tried it as well. Why the heck they have two ranges I don't understand. Actually, I'd say that with the XBA series being the exception, I don't understand why manufacturers have all these confusing product names.  One letter followed by one number should be enough.

 

As I understand it, the AT line goes as follows: CK for their high end BA's (and PRO variants that I guess are hand matched and targeted at artists as well as consumers), CKM for dynamics, CKS for their bass line, CKW for anything using wood and CKN for their micro-driver stuff.

 

I have the 90Pro, though the cable has a hole in it now. I'd like to get it recabled; I really liked the 90Pro and I wonder what the 90Pro MK2 is like.

 

Thanks for the explanation. I gathered "W" was for wood, but the rest is just annoying. The CKM99 I liked quite a bit. For ~$110 now I am impressed.

post #10410 of 21761

@ardgedee

 

Hmph, I haven't bothered to post much in here lately myself because I haven't had a lot to post about. Generally speaking, I've been entertaining myself by quietly surfing around the usual boards that interest me on here doing my Silent One imitation and quietly reading and trying not to disturb the natural flow of topic on the threads. Seems we've both run out of interesting things to say.

 

Since I have your attention and we're both Heir 4A owners I have a question for you. In your opinion would you class the bass of your 4A's as a textbook neutral sounding bass? Unlike everyone else on the Heir thread for whatever reason I'm hearing the bass on my 4A's as 1 or 2 db accentuated. I'm not really complaining it's just I'm curious what you would classify as textbook neutral bass. I'm more used to leaner sounding gear so maybe it's just my brain needing more time to further acclimate?


Edited by DigitalFreak - 4/20/13 at 10:21pm
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