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The EX1000 would top the scale for me. Even at low volumes it was fatiguing and painful. I'd have to listen at baby volumes and at that point the IEM would have no dynamics (the EX1000 need juice to open up). The MDR-7550s are not an issue for me though and is the saving grace to the EX line IMO. Although I can't listen to them at very high volumes as I'll get fatigued. But that's not due to the treble spikes causing me pain. Just not listening at safe volume levels. I can't say the 334s would be on the bottom because I picked up treble spikes even on that which would get a bit fatiguing for me at higher volumes. Then again its bloated bass (slow bass decay) was rather annoying and would keep me from raising it too high anyways.

 

The difference between the EX1000 and MDR-7550 is actually only a few dBs, with both Sonys being more spiky than the TOGO 334.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt your treble sensitivity, but it seems odd that you picked up spikes on the EX1000 and TOGO 334, but not on the MDR-7550.

 

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Yep I'm not sure why as well. I was initially very worried about what I was getting myself into but comments from a_recording and a couple others who agreed with me on the EX1000 treble spike issues (yet who in turn loved the MDR-7550) made me take the risk. In the end I was very much happy with the purchase. I can't really fault the MDR-7550s. They sound great to me. Now at high volumes things could become an issue but the headroom in volume is very good, reasonable for listening to music in my case.

 

The thing is with the EX1000 depending on the tips I wore the treble spikes would get worse or slightly less invasive. I needed to use the hybrid tips combined with a custom tip in order to get a very good seal and in turn helped to tame the spikes to a certain extent. But it wasn't enough to cure the issue and it was still bad for me in the end. Funnily I found the hybrid tips on the MDR-7550s to accentuate treble spikes more and in that it was more noticeable (compared to using V-moda bass tips or JVC tips). I also noticed that it doesn't matter on how good the fit is on the MDR-7550s in regards to picking up treble spikes. A lose fit or tight fit it doesn't matter in my case... While on the EX1000 using  those hybrid tips combined with another tip helped to lower treble spikes (yet having a lose fit with other tips would noticeably increase the issue)... In the end I much preferred the V-moda bass tips on the MDR-7550s which gives me the best fit and sound. The sound stage is more open and not so unnaturally narrow (which is a byproduct of the hybrid tips).
 


Edited by lee730 - 4/20/13 at 5:38am
post #10383 of 21422

It was good timing for me to read this thread again. I have the same issues with IEMs that have such a strong treble spike, though the last time it was the previous versions of the AT line. I'll have to see if I can't find a demo 7550 in the stores next time I am in the city. I don't know if it was the changes they made but ATs CKM99 and 90PRO sounded very good for a dynamic, which was an unusual experience, but more so that the treble didn't bother me as much as it had in the past.

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It was good timing for me to read this thread again. I have the same issues with IEMs that have such a strong treble spike, though the last time it was the AT line. I'll have to see if I can't find a demo 7550 in the stores next time I am in the city.


Did you ever give the EX1000s a try? I think they are hard to come by nowadays though... I heard a rumor they are discontinuing the MDR-7550s as well so you may want to scoop them up before they are gone. Some places have them at a very reasonable price.

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Did you ever give the EX1000s a try? I think they are hard to come by nowadays though... I heard a rumor they are discontinuing the MDR-7550s as well so you may want to scoop them up before they are gone. Some places have them at a very reasonable price.


That's a grim rumour. Here's hoping they are cooking some sort of replacement for it.
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It was good timing for me to read this thread again. I have the same issues with IEMs that have such a strong treble spike, though the last time it was the AT line. I'll have to see if I can't find a demo 7550 in the stores next time I am in the city.


Did you ever give the EX1000s a try? I think they are hard to come by nowadays though... I heard a rumor they are discontinuing the MDR-7550s as well so you may want to scoop them up before they are gone. Some places have them at a very reasonable price.

 

I did. Same problem with the treble as well as my usual disagreement with dynamic IEMs and percussion. The XBA-30s still hold my proverbial crown for IEMs, even after trying the TG334s. What I don't understand is when people post about the JVC (some bunch of letters)70s -- when I tried those they were terrible.

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I did. Same problem with the treble as well as my usual disagreement with dynamic IEMs and percussion. The XBA-30s still hold my proverbial crown for IEMs, even after trying the TG334s. What I don't understand is when people post about the JVC (some bunch of letters)70s -- when I tried those they were terrible.


Oh you mean the JVC FX700s. I liked them at low volumes (neutral at that point and not harsh and overbearing). But as soon as you pump up the volume to what I consider "normal volume listening" the bass and treble just goes out the window.... Problem is I always wanted to turn the volume up higher and couldn't not live with them only using them at very low volumes (plus the mids get recessed as the volume goes up...). Once in a while it was a very enjoyable experience but other than that, rolleyes.gif...... I think you should have the ability to listen to the IEM at both low and higher volume levels without issues. If you have the ability to do both without sacrificing imaging and dynamics then you have a winner.


Edited by lee730 - 4/20/13 at 6:14am
post #10388 of 21422
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

It was good timing for me to read this thread again. I have the same issues with IEMs that have such a strong treble spike, though the last time it was the previous versions of the AT line. I'll have to see if I can't find a demo 7550 in the stores next time I am in the city. I don't know if it was the changes they made but ATs CKM99 and 90PRO sounded very good for a dynamic, which was an unusual experience, but more so that the treble didn't bother me as much as it had in the past.

 

 

Or you might be losing your hearing....very_evil_smiley.gif

 

 

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Oh you mean the JVC FX700s. I liked them at low volumes (neutral at that point and not harsh and overbearing). But as soon as you pump up the volume to what I consider "normal volume listening" the bass and treble just goes out the window.... Problem is I always wanted to turn the volume up higher and couldn't not live with them only using them at very low volumes (plus the mids get recessed as the volume goes up...). Once in a while it was a very enjoyable experience but other than that, rolleyes.gif...... I think you should have the ability to listen to the IEM at both low and higher volume levels without issues. If you have the ability to do both without sacrificing imaging and dynamics then you have a winner.

 

He means the CKN70.

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I'm listening to the Senn IE800 now, courtesy of St. James.

 

All I can say is *******. I love the vocal presentation of these things.

 

I know, rite? Rarely do I use EQ, and only when an earphone / headphone does some things so well I'm compelled to compensate for those perceived shortcomings. I EQ the lower bass a bit on the IE800 because I love their mids so much.

 

 

 

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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

While I personally have no problem continuing on over here, there seems to be a sort of stigma against "off-topic" banter that has been brewing amongst some of the disgruntled for quite some time now. Despite this thread actually being a "mutual admiration society" in this case, perhaps the extremists would have us move the serious headphone talk (if my paltry insecurities could be even considered as being serious) to the serious threads just as they would want to keep the mutual admiration off the headphone threads. And even though I partly disagree with this in principle, common courtesy would dictate that we at least respect their wishes. Unless the others here are fine with it, in which case I will go on as it is a free forum after all.

If the EX1000s (or for fairness' sake, the 7550s) were to be put on the top of the "annoying" scale and something like the 334s were to be put at the bottom, how would the SUIs fare in terms of sheer quantity of treble and peaks/&/or sibilance? On average I listen ~65-70dB so turning it up is a foreign concept to me unless I'm trying to evaluate performance more critically.

 

One other enticing thing (boy these just seem to pop out like crazy) would be how glorious the bass seems to be described. 

 

 

The original diary thread was created by kiteki as a repository for his impressions and musings on audio. While the tone wasn't exactly "serious" and prone to tangential outcroppings, overall the experience of audio was at the core of it all and largely informed everything else that orbited around it like a solar system.

 

Some might remember that the original thread was actually in the portable audio section. Even though its successors were moved to the Members' Lounge, I think the same spirit largely carried over: the binding crux of this thread is still the experience of this hobby, expressed in both music appreciation and gear lust.

 

Of course, we discuss other stuff too: some of it heavy, some of it not. I think many of the regulars have an interest in sociology and psychology, in culture and in the interactions of people. Often times it seems to be inspired by or tie back to the audio hobby. It's that human side I like so much personally, the motivations behind head-fiers doing what they do and how they approach this stuff.

 

With the original diary thread kiteki very much tapped into that; it provided him an outlet for sharing his feelings, desires, hang-ups... he was able to create this palpable mood. It was exuberance for "it all," stopping to look at and appreciate details like strain reliefs and the colors used in ads and the irrationality behind our loving certain things like that. It was talking about certain sounds being purple or what they might taste like.

 

So yeah, serious audio discussion definitely has a place here. It's just my hope that it's done in a spirit of playfulness at times. I think some of us (myself included) get a bit jaded from time to time and we forget how to see things through the eyes of a novice. We forget that sense of wonderment, that overwhelming sense of being lost yet still enjoying it. We get too comfortable with our preferences, too self assured about the routine of it all. Discovery should be exciting, and sharing it with others is part of that.

 


 

There's also a flow to this virtual space, I think.

 

At the best of times conversation here is loose, but it doesn't flop about enough to make you reach for your wallet to put under its tongue. It's all a balancing act (not to be confused w/ driver 8's amp). I get the feeling that some people see my TL;DR posts like this one and get weary and think we're a public library or something. On the other hand, there's also a tendency for people to think this place is an "anything goes" random chat thread or something, or worse: a place to fill up page after page with meme recitals at breakneck speed. Basically we try to maintain a fairly balanced signal-to-noise ratio here.

 


 

Also the "diary" format is kinda cool because it not only provides an outlet for expression, it does so in a way that is well-suited for this kind of stuff I think: it allows folks to discuss their experience over time as it develops, something that is vital for formulating an authentic set of listening impressions in my opinion. Our relationship to audio isn't static, right? Merzbow aside. 

 

But yeah, I share bits and pieces of my daily life as do others here. Audio is just too integrated into it to try to parse it out, at least not without doing some violence to one's experience. Forming mental schema for how we perceive various people on the forums is a fascinating subject to me (and a_rec). More than just idle curiosity however, it gives people a frame of reference.

post #10390 of 21422

Well I found a few of my old In ears that got me into this never ending spiral that is audiophilism. 

The first that I listened to were the Sennheiser CXL 400, which is nice and relaxed with a massive sound stage. But instruments lack power.

The second is The UE Metro Fi 170, which is umm a good all rounder. It does every thing quite well. It is detailed and quite quick. 

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Speaking of some of the themes I touched on above, I really adore this picture:

 

 

 

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In a rare moment of artistic inspiration combined with a rare moment of free time I captured this photo. No photoshopping or editing.

 

 

 

It captures the mood I get when listening to the Piano Forte series and really encapsulates my enjoyment of them since they're my go-to for shoegazer, dreampop, various 80s waves, etc.

 

It's just... so fitting.

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Nice!

 

Since I don't buy -- or, lately, even try -- different equipment all that often, I'll end up at a loss for more things to discuss, audio-wise. Also, my own interests seem to be shifting or, at least, becoming less firmly driven by any particular goals. I feel like I'm in a pretty good spot with my equipment, both home-based and portable, and most upgrades I'm interested in are out of bounds for the time being. I feel like I've taste tested enough different sounds and styles to be happier with what I've got than I might have been if my current system was the only one I'd heard.

 

And at that, it's still pretty ridiculous by most people's standards: Two full-sized receivers, one dedicated headphone amp, and four different headphones in rotation for the home system; I get a pretty broad range of presentations by mixing and matching. There are very few things I'd want to add, but a lot of things only collecting dust or sitting in boxes that I should sell off. The best direction I can go in is towards refinement: Equipment with more detail, or more palpable space, or more range. None of that is cheap to achieve for me, now; odds of getting there through more lucky finds (one of the receivers was free, one of the headphones was dirt-cheap, a great-sounding sleeper ignored by vintage collectors) or killer deals are between slim and nil -- relative to what I've already spent, the cost/benefit curve looks more like a cliff right now.

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Can someone care to deliver me the TL;DR version of the thread for the past week?

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  1. What's up with that thing those people like anyway?
  2. Food is delicious.
  3. I like music.
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Since I don't buy -- or, lately, even try -- different equipment all that often, I'll end up at a loss for more things to discuss, audio-wise.

 


Your posts about music lately have been really enjoyable reads.

 

Also you have interesting things to say about companies and manufacturers and the direction consumer electronics is taking in general.


Edited by MuppetFace - 4/20/13 at 9:16am
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