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Any more recs for some actual disco? I'm not too familiar with the genre.

 

Tried the Teac HA501/UD501 combo today. Posted it on the AAMML thread but people seem to care more about the portables I took pictures with (those who know me know I never take pictures of anything, even when on vacation. But the Teac's looked so beautifully built I couldn't resist)

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Cool faceplates with the M-100s. They have them on the LP2s as well, so I'm told.

 

C5 straigh out the Zip's HP jack - (it's clean enough you stupid purist!)

TEAC DAC and amp pairing. Gloriously professional build, great feature sets, crystal clean and neutral for the most part, with a slight tizz ~10kHz that I got rid of with their JRiver's para EQ (shelved it down and brought most of the treble down with a high pass as the HD800s weren't anax modded and I'm more used to that)

To expand on that, there was a little bit of grain ~1-4kHz (the only reason I'm being accurate with the numbers is because I brought a bunch of tones and test sweeps on the Clip Zip and also had access to the parametric EQ on JRiver) that didn't like to go away. Played around with the menu, but didn't have any DSD files. The lower end model, the one in the picture that corrupted, was beautifully made - might be one of the most aesthetically pleasing desktop fixtures I've yet to see. 

 

Back to the sound, didn't find it to be overly warm or anything. If not "neutral" at the very least it can be considered balanced. There's a bit of subbass bloom on the amplifier unit. The DAC portion was what really impressed. The amp started panting a bit on the HD800s if I was to be really critical. And by no way do I mean "HE-6 not loud enough needs more headroom" power shortage. In fact the grain could have been mistaken for clipping now that I think about it, as well as the slight tizz, but I spend most of my HD800 time around my cousin's anax mod pair so going back to the stock form gets confusing at times. 

 

Otherwise not much to say. I might have to shop around a bit more and look at the X-Sabre among other things, but these have taken the top spot in my "replace-that-missing-DAC1" mission.


Edited by TwinQY - 4/19/13 at 11:40pm
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Gotta be honest, part of the only reason I'm thinking of them is because I'm still a bit suspicious and if they are indeed as bad/weird as I suspect I get to put them down/flame them hard. Always looking forward to that.

 

Yes I'm buying crap to satiate my sick twisted flaming-prone pleasures.


I'd be surprised if you did indeed hate them. They are really good IEMs and are in my top 2 so far. But maybe if you hate IEMs with good sound staging and head staging and prefer extremely intimate sound then I could see them being an issue.

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I'd be surprised if you did indeed hate them. They are really good IEMs and are in my top 2 so far. But maybe if you hate IEMs with good sound staging and head staging and prefer extremely intimate sound then I could see them being an issue.

Who knows? Maybe I'm completely off target and these are the best thing since sliced bread (although I think pastries have progressed to the point where even the miracle known as sliced bread is looking rather plain by now). They're getting my money one way or another though.

 

If I can take a guess as to your other favourite cough1plus2cough, I might hate that as well. Of course I shall completely skimp the fact about how I had 30 seconds with them and one of the channels didn't work as it was before they had replaced them on the tour.

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Who knows? Maybe I'm completely off target and these are the best thing since sliced bread (although I think pastries have progressed to the point where even the miracle known as sliced bread is looking rather plain by now). They're getting my money one way or another though.

 

If I can take a guess as to your other favourite cough1plus2cough, I might hate that as well. Of course I shall completely skimp the fact about how I had 30 seconds with them and one of the channels didn't work as it was before they had replaced them on the tour.


Didn't you get to hear that pair (also known ad RBD+1 I think) before it went defective? Anyways I did like the original model as well but they really aren't comparable IMO (being more different than similar and taking technicality into account as well). But a safe bet is if you actually enjoy the Sui I'd think you'd enjoy the 1Plus2. Not that they are very similar but are both fun IEMs with quite different presentations. I'd say the 1Plus2 are more neutral/balanced in comparison to the Sui. I personally don't hear them as U-shaped but I do hear the Sui as having a minor U-shape to them.

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Didn't you get to hear that pair (also known ad RBD+1 I think) before it went defective? Anyways I did like the original model as well but they really aren't comparable IMO (being more different than similar and taking technicality into account as well). But a safe bet is if you actually enjoy the Sui I'd think you'd enjoy the 1Plus2. Not that they are very similar but are both fun IEMs with quite different presentations. I'd say the 1Plus2 are more neutral/balanced in comparison to the Sui. I personally don't hear them as U-shaped but I do hear the Sui as having a minor U-shape to them.

I honestly have no idea. It was GG's pair and he let me hear them at a mini-meet. It was on tour and the channel was off. 

 

I probably wouldn't have the same reservations if I did have the budge and inclination for the 1Plus2s. The nice reviews and all seem to resonate well with me. Something about how people describe the Flat-4s causes the opposite reaction, something I can't really quantify. But by golly if it's IEMs we're talking about I can't resist blowing money either way.

 

I've read Muppet's really long write-up on the staging effects on both though so that's always interesting to hear. I happen to love stuff like the UE900 and HE-400 so I have no qualms on U-shapes at all.

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I was also a bit skeptical at first reading the reviews on the Flat 4 but hearing positive impressions from a couple headfiers I've come to trust I decided to take the plunge. Once I found the right tips these IEMs are very much my cup of tea. Very different/unique for a dynamic IEM. Yet it has qualities that make you think its a BA but with the natural sound/timbre of a dynamic driver. It's fast and very detailed yet the signature is convincing. Also taking into consideration its unique design plays a big roll on the sound it achieves. The presentation is very smooth but still a detail monster.
 


Edited by lee730 - 4/20/13 at 2:28am
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...very much my cup of tea. ...

Ocharaku

"楽音茶"

I see what you did there wink.gif

Another incentive is that the meet is coming up and I'm sure most will not have heard these. My wallet curses you for appealing to my altruistic side.

The thing is, this REALLY sounds like my current sig preference (HE-6 like airy with smoothness and detail and clarity and basically a leaner presentation in order to bring out something pristine). But I've been led astray too many times to not be wary. But I think by now you've pretty much talked me into at least buying and trying them though

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I still won't say they are too lean sounding as the bass adds some nice thickness/warmth to the presentation but without overpowering things IMO. So it's a rather nice balance although vocals can appear slightly distant at times (also dependent on tracks). On certain songs the treble can extend so high it's really something. At times that isn't a good thing either lol but that's mostly due to those tracks themselves being crap. On poor masterings they will be heartless and cold (the flaws won't be hidden).
 


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A big qualm would be the treble from what I've read. There's a fine line between something like the HE-5LE's sweetness and something ever so slightly grating like the HE-400s. Even something extremely energetic but not uneven like the HE-4 can be bothersome at times. Just today, by simply trying the HD800 in stock form again I've come to realize how even a little increase in treble makes all the difference in terms of fatigue. I'm hesitant on how the SUIs will turn out in this area. Because the treble complaints are beginning to sound like a rehash of what I heard through the EX1000s.

 

Now that I've reloaded this page, I see that perhaps this discussion might need to be moved to another thread/PM thread. Or at least put on hold :P Not sure if people will appreciate too much hogging of the topic at hand

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A big qualm would be the treble from what I've read. There's a fine line between something like the HE-5LE's sweetness and something ever so slightly grating like the HE-400s. Even something extremely energetic but not uneven like the HE-4 can be bothersome at times. Just today, by simply trying the HD800 in stock form again I've come to realize how even a little increase in treble makes all the difference in terms of fatigue. I'm hesitant on how the SUIs will turn out in this area. Because the treble complaints are beginning to sound like a rehash of what I heard through the EX1000s.

 

Now that I've reloaded this page, I see that perhaps this discussion might need to be moved to another thread/PM thread. Or at least put on hold :P Not sure if people will appreciate too much hogging of the topic at hand


Oh well I don't agree on that at all. The EX1000 was horrible horrible horrible.... That is the worst IEM I've heard in terms of treble spikes/pain. While the Suis treble can be aggressive it is nothing like that of the EX1000 at least for me. I can turn the volume up without being in literal pain. Now I may get fatigued listening at high volumes but that goes for every IEM in my case.

 

Anyways I see no issues to discussing this here. That is what this thread is for, for use to discuss topics as long as it doesn't include discriminating against others. Plus I'm sure the EX1000 club would not want me to further desecrate their thread ;)... FWIW the Flat 4 is nothing like the EX1000 IMO :).


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Oh well I don't agree on that at all. The EX1000 was horrible horrible horrible.... That is the worst IEM I've heard in terms of treble spikes/pain. While the Suis treble can be aggressive it is nothing like that of the EX1000 at least for me. I can turn the volume up without being in literal pain. Now I may get fatigued listening at high volumes but that goes for every IEM in my case.

 

Anyways I see no issues to discussing this here. That is what this thread is for, for use to discuss topics as long as it doesn't include discriminating against others. Plus I'm sure the EX1000 club would not want me to further desecrate their thread ;)...

 

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While I personally have no problem continuing on over here, there seems to be a sort of stigma against "off-topic" banter that has been brewing amongst some of the disgruntled for quite some time now. Despite this thread actually being a "mutual admiration society" in this case, perhaps the extremists would have us move the serious headphone talk (if my paltry insecurities could be even considered as being serious) to the serious threads just as they would want to keep the mutual admiration off the headphone threads. And even though I partly disagree with this in principle, common courtesy would dictate that we at least respect their wishes. Unless the others here are fine with it, in which case I will go on as it is a free forum after all.

If the EX1000s (or for fairness' sake, the 7550s) were to be put on the top of the "annoying" scale and something like the 334s were to be put at the bottom, how would the SUIs fare in terms of sheer quantity of treble and peaks/&/or sibilance? On average I listen ~65-70dB so turning it up is a foreign concept to me unless I'm trying to evaluate performance more critically.

 

One other enticing thing (boy these just seem to pop out like crazy) would be how glorious the bass seems to be described. 

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I swear to god TwinQY, if discussion doesn't revert back to food and bashing the quality of American television in the next 5 minutes...
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While I personally have no problem continuing on over here, there seems to be a sort of stigma against "off-topic" banter that has been brewing amongst some of the disgruntled for quite some time now. Despite this thread actually being a "mutual admiration society" in this case, perhaps the extremists would have us move the serious headphone talk (if my paltry insecurities could be even considered as being serious) to the serious threads just as they would want to keep the mutual admiration off the headphone threads. And even though I partly disagree with this in principle, common courtesy would dictate that we at least respect their wishes. Unless the others here are fine with it, in which case I will go on as it is a free forum after all.

If the EX1000s (or for fairness' sake, the 7550s) were to be put on the top of the "annoying" scale and something like the 334s were to be put at the bottom, how would the SUIs fare in terms of sheer quantity of treble and peaks/&/or sibilance? On average I listen ~65-70dB so turning it up is a foreign concept to me unless I'm trying to evaluate performance more critically.

 

One other enticing thing (boy these just seem to pop out like crazy) would be how glorious the bass seems to be described. 


The EX1000 would top the scale for me. Even at low volumes it was fatiguing and painful. I'd have to listen at baby volumes and at that point the IEM would have no dynamics (the EX1000 need juice to open up). The MDR-7550s are not an issue for me though and is the saving grace to the EX line IMO. Although I can't listen to them at very high volumes as I'll get fatigued. But that's not due to the treble spikes causing me pain. Just not listening at safe volume levels. I can't say the 334s would be on the bottom because I picked up treble spikes even on that which would get a bit fatiguing for me at higher volumes. Then again its bloated bass (slow bass decay) was rather annoying and would keep me from raising it too high anyways.

 

Listening at 65 to 70 dB should not be an issue although you may be tempted to listen to these at a bit higher volume due to the vocals taking a slight back seat. I listen to them around the highest safe volume and at times listen a bit higher for a short period of time. I'd only see these as an issue on tracks that exhibit harsh treble or sibilance (it's in the track). Like on rock songs at times it can be too much depending on the track. Sources will play a roll as well as tip selections. I'm not sure if you ever heard the FX700 before but they do share some similarities but with the FX700 being the overall more fatiguing IEM in part due to its more recessed mid-range/vocals. Which then leads to having to turn the volume up higher and the treble and bass really loosing control when doing so. In that I find the Suis better due to being a more balanced IEM even at higher volumes.

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The EX1000 would top the scale for me. Even at low volumes it was fatiguing and painful. I'd have to listen at baby volumes and at that point the IEM would have no dynamics (the EX1000 need juice to open up). The MDR-7550s are not an issue for me though and is the saving grace to the EX line IMO. Although I can't listen to them at very high volumes as I'll get fatigued. But that's not due to the treble spikes causing me pain. Just not listening at safe volume levels. I can't say the 334s would be on the bottom because I picked up treble spikes even on that which would get a bit fatiguing for me at higher volumes. Then again its bloated bass (slow bass decay) was rather annoying and would keep me from raising it too high anyways.

 

Listening at 65 to 70 dB should not be an issue although you may be tempted to listen to these at a bit higher volume due to the vocals taking a slight back seat. I listen to them around the highest safe volume and at times listen a bit higher for a short period of time. I'd only see these as an issue on tracks that exhibit harsh treble or sibilance (it's in the track). Like on rock songs at times it can be too much depending on the track. Sources will play a roll as well as tip selections. I'm not sure if you ever heard the FX700 before but they do share some similarities but with the FX700 being the overall more fatiguing IEM in part due to its more recessed mid-range/vocals. Which then leads to having to turn the volume up higher and the treble and bass really loosing control when doing so. In that I find the Suis better due to being a more balanced IEM even at higher volumes.

If the FX700s (yes, have heard along with the 500s) are more fatiguing I'm inclined to believe that these would be bearable at the very least. If this was a few months ago I would have scoffed at the source thing as I'd probably just thrown them on the very-IEM-friendly-DAC1 but sadly that won't be the case anymore. The part about the FX700s being more mid recessed is enlightening and I definitely agree regarding their slight lack of control (not just on high volumes for me but overall). 

 

Still trying to gauge relative levels of the pesky sibilance area though. I'm looking at the Sonove graphs, albeit with my Japanese reading comprehension being quite poor with such dense material, so it's hard for me to find their raw graph (dependent on those as I'm not familiar with their compensation method either). If you could do some test sweeps or at least tracks I've archived being problematic around that area, it would be beyond appreciated.

 

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I swear to god TwinQY, if discussion doesn't revert back to food and bashing the quality of American television in the next 5 minutes...

I know right? This serious tone does not bode well. I could very well change the entire topic back with a simple statement such as "Pineapple cheesecakes are amazing and Breaking Bad can go rot in a hole".

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Well regarding the FX700 I actually found them to be superb at low volume listening (imaging and micro detailing is great!). Thing is I don't want to own an IEM that is relegated to only low volume listening. I mean when I was in the mood for it it was a really good IEM and IMO neutral at very low volumes with the bass and treble being relatives to the mids/vocals. But as soon as you start pumping up that volume it all goes to hell....
 

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