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post #76 of 197

The HE90 and HE60 earpads only have velour touching the ear, the rest is vinyl so the earpieces are completely sealed. 

 

I highly recommend the Mk2 pads for all Mk1's and I will never go back to the old pads despite having a huge stock of them.  I may convert them all for SR-Omega use instead. 

post #77 of 197
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post

The HE90 and HE60 earpads only have velour touching the ear, the rest is vinyl so the earpieces are completely sealed. 

 

 

This is why I can't understand why in particular the HE-90 was and is even more so now, very expensive. Headphones costing that much should only be made using the very best leather and the part touching the ear should be suede.

post #78 of 197

The build quality should be much, much better as they cost more than twice that of 007 MK1's when they were on sale!

I have had no build quality issues with mine unlike some of the other top headphones on sale at the moment! Failing drivers, headbands breaking or coming detached

 

There seems to be a trend generally in audio over the past few years to tip the sound balance to be brighter.  Not only in headphones, but speakers, DAC;s etc.  This gives the false impression of more detail and WOW factor when listening in the store so customers are more likely to part with their hard earned cash.  I just think the 009 may have been swept along by this trend?

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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

I had the 007mk1 and IMO the comfort + build quality of the 009 is a lot better than the 007, which is why I'd prefer Stax to start working on another flagship rather than try and get hold of a second hand 007mk1.


Edited by complin - 10/14/12 at 5:22am
post #79 of 197

Yes thats right, it gives a good balance between comfort and sealing the earphone cavity around the ear.

 

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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post

The HE90 and HE60 earpads only have velour touching the ear, the rest is vinyl so the earpieces are completely sealed. 

 

post #80 of 197
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Originally Posted by complin View Post

The build quality should be much, much better as they cost more than twice that of 007 MK1's when they were on sale!

 

 

I agree with the 009 being over twice more expensive than the 007mk1 was, it should be more comfortably and better built. But that wasn't the case with the HE-90 , comfort wise I don't know, but build quality, an headphone that was and is a lot more expensive than the 009 shouldn't have had velour and vinyl used on the ear pads.

post #81 of 197
Well it certainly feels like Stax went after the wow factor in the move from mk1 to mk2 of the omega 2. To some extent I understand where they are coming from though: there are only stax amps in the stores and serious competition with totl electrodynamics and more recently orthos. For many years, I dissed the O2mk1/717 combo because it sounded anemic compared to dynamic phones at the time. Definitely was a case of growing a sense of hearing but the fact remains most people will buy the most impressive phone based on short term in-store comparisons. The omega 2mk2 (sz3)/727 combo is what made me ditch dynamic phones, again through in store comparison because regardless of the faults, it was still better than my dynamic rig at the time.

As for the 009 and newest lambda series, they all seem to be using this very thin diaphragm along with the omega 2 mk2 (SZ3) as birgir mentioned which is at least partly responsible for the brighter tonal balance.

Did Stax, however independent they may seem, follow the general trend or genuinely believes in this tonal balance as the true thing? I guess we'll find out in a couple of years when either the omega 2 or 009 gets a refresh. From our last conversation at a previous headphone festival in Japan, they're well aware that some people find the 009 edgy though so there's hope...

Personnally, I can't say if I would be happier with a darker sounding 009. ATM, I have to say I am in my honeymoon with the mk1 and absolutely crave its subtle rendering. I actually don't miss the 009 resolution so far, we'll see in coming weeks...

Edit 2012/11/3: The Omega 2 I owned was of type SR007A(SZ2) and not SZ3 as mentioned above. I bought it in summer 2010, a the same time some 007mk2(SZ3) appeared outside Japan and were coined as mk2.5 with probable change in membrane thickness / increase in brightness.
Edited by arnaud - 11/2/12 at 3:53pm
post #82 of 197

I think you will be even more smitten when you get your BHSE wink_face.gif

IMHO the MK1's needs a great amp and source to get the best out of them.  When I upgraded from the generally available Stax offerings it was almost like having a different headphone. Subtlety,layering and texture is what I want and with the right combo the 007 Mk1's gives it in spades.

 

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Personnally, I can't say if I would be happier with a darker sounding 009. ATM, I have to say I am in my honeymoon with the mk1 and absolutely crave its subtle rendering. I actually don't miss the 009 resolution so far, we'll see in coming weeks...
post #83 of 197

I'm not sure where you are getting this from. When I bought my HE90's in the final batch they were $5000 which puts them right where the 009's are priced now. I'm not sure what they went for originally but I think the amp (HEV90) was more expensive than the headphones. I don't have to tell you that rare discontinued items always go up in value especially ones that are popular and in demand and I never cared a bit that the earpads and headband pad weren't made of leather as the HE90's are the most comfotable headphones I've ever owned. Gary

 

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I agree with the 009 being over twice more expensive than the 007mk1 was, it should be more comfortably and better built. But that wasn't the case with the HE-90 , comfort wise I don't know, but build quality, an headphone that was and is a lot more expensive than the 009 shouldn't have had velour and vinyl used on the ear pads.

post #84 of 197

No the reference was to the 007 Mk1 price compared to the SR 009 the reference to the Orpheus was about comfort I believe

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I'm not sure where you are getting this from. When I bought my HE90's in the final batch they were $5000 which puts them right where the 009's are priced now. I'm not sure what they went for originally but I think the amp (HEV90) was more expensive than the headphones. I don't have to tell you that rare discontinued items always go up in value especially ones that are popular and in demand and I never cared a bit that the earpads and headband pad weren't made of leather as the HE90's are the most comfotable headphones I've ever owned. Gary

 

post #85 of 197

I'm pretty sure I'm reading his post correctly, but I could be wrong.

post #86 of 197
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Originally Posted by Guss2 View Post

I'm not sure where you are getting this from. When I bought my HE90's in the final batch they were $5000 which puts them right where the 009's are priced now. I'm not sure what they went for originally but I think the amp (HEV90) was more expensive than the headphones. I don't have to tell you that rare discontinued items always go up in value especially ones that are popular and in demand and I never cared a bit that the earpads and headband pad weren't made of leather as the HE90's are the most comfotable headphones I've ever owned. Gary

 

I read it somewhere that the HE-90 + HEV90 combo was around $12900 when they first came out. Regarding the price of your HE-90, first of all Guss2 congratulations on having one, but you say you only paid $5000 for your HE-90, what year was that ? 

post #87 of 197

I think the HE90 + HEV90 were $12000 to $15000 depending when they were purchased.  However; after the limited run of the 300 HE90 + HEV90 Sennheiser released a batch of HE90's on their own. I believe many of them came through Jan Meier of Meier Audio in Germany and they were priced around $5000 so I think this is what is being referred to. 

 

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I read it somewhere that the HE-90 + HEV90 combo was around $12900 when they first came out. Regarding the price of your HE-90, first of all Guss2 congratulations on having one, but you say you only paid $5000 for your HE-90, what year was that ? 

post #88 of 197
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I think the HE90 + HEV90 were $12000 to $15000 depending when they were purchased.  However; after the limited run of the 300 HE90 + HEV90 Sennheiser released a batch of HE90's on their own. I believe many of them came through Jan Meier of Meier Audio in Germany and they were priced around $5000 so I think this is what is being referred to. 

 

 

I've read Jan Meier sold a batch which I think was around 2005 - 2006. If that's true the price of the HE-90 then at $5000 can't be compared to the SR-009 now at above $5000 because of inflation. The HE-90 is the most beautiful headphone I've ever seen and the only thing I'm knocking regarding it's build quality is the ear pads, IMO at that price only leather should have been used. If I was clever enough to design an headphone it would look just like the HE-90 but the headband would be about 3" wide because not only do I think it would look better than the one that's on the HE-90, but it would give better support, even though I've never tried the HE-90 on.

post #89 of 197
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

 

I agree with the 009 being over twice more expensive than the 007mk1 was, it should be more comfortably and better built. But that wasn't the case with the HE-90 , comfort wise I don't know, but build quality, an headphone that was and is a lot more expensive than the 009 shouldn't have had velour and vinyl used on the ear pads.

 

The He90 comfort is good if you have a small head but the headband extension is quite limited so it's a problem for me.  I'm using my FrankenHE90 now and they never disappear like the 007 and SR-Omega. 

 

The build quality is quite bad though with some parts being worse than others.  The headbands are especially bad and the wood stain on some of the sets looks like it was applied by a 5 year old.  

post #90 of 197
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post

 

The He90 comfort is good if you have a small head but the headband extension is quite limited so it's a problem for me.  I'm using my FrankenHE90 now and they never disappear like the 007 and SR-Omega. 

 

The build quality is quite bad though with some parts being worse than others.  The headbands are especially bad and the wood stain on some of the sets looks like it was applied by a 5 year old.  

 

This is why I'd like to be clever enough to design and build my own headphone, it would look very similar to the HE-90 but with a wider headband, only the very best leather would be used, the metal would be titanium for lightness and strength then powder coated in matt black and the wood would be amboyna burl. I hope Sennheiser or Stax headphone designers will be told to look at this post and do something about it.

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