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post #46 of 197
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

+1.......I've never understood all this audiophile paranoia about using eq. Every component in your system is equalized at the factory to their own design so what's the big deal in equalizing your own system to your own preference? It is a lot better than spending a fortune on cables and matching gear to arrive at the same point.

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post #47 of 197
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

+1.......I've never understood all this audiophile paranoia about using eq. Every component in your system is equalized at the factory to their own design so what's the big deal in equalizing your own system to your own preference? It is a lot better than spending a fortune on cables and matching gear to arrive at the same point.

Not to mention that spending any amount on components won't get you where EQ gets you. Take a look at PiccoloNamek's EQ for his Stax and tell me where you can find a component that puts two notch filters exactly where he put them...
post #48 of 197

$2000 for a power cord! Is it made of solid gold!

 

If you want to mess with the mains wouldn't the money be better spent on some power filtering/regeneration that would service all of the kit not just the DAC/CD/Transport?  

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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

Keep an eye out on audiogon for a Shunyata Anaconda VX power cord on your digital source (DAC/CDP/Transport, whatever).

I have your combo too (007t/ii and 009) and this did the trick for me. I thought they were just this side of bright too until I did this.

(I always turned to this cord in many circumstances with many cd players, dacs, speakers, headphones, and more over the past 10 years. It's a classic cord for digital.

Also try a warm IC like Cardas Golden Cross.).


Edited by complin - 9/21/12 at 5:48am
post #49 of 197
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$2000 for a power cord! Is it made of solid gold!

 

If you want to mess with the mains wouldn't the money be better spent on some power filtering/regeneration that would service all of the fit not just the DAC/CD/Transport?  

 

But if it were to be made out of gold, it would be a terrible conductor and could potentially be a horrible sounding $2000 power cord.

post #50 of 197

Bahaha.

 

Also. +3 on the EQ end. I plan to throw a Rane EQ in the mix with my 009 rig just for funzies.

 

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

But if it were to be made out of gold, it would be a terrible conductor and could potentially be a horrible sounding $2000 power cord.

post #51 of 197

Somehow, every time I've tried EQ (digital or analog), it puts a subtle wall in front of the music even when the EQ settings are flat.

With my speakers that I thought were bright, I tried a Macintosh preamp with tone controls, and when they were activated, I heard the life sucked out of things.

The same happened with an Accuphase digital equalizer looped in with an Accuphase DP75 cd player.

They DID solve the brightness problem, but the sound was degraded to a depressing degree.

I tried and tried and eventually gave up on equalizers.


Edited by rgs9200m - 9/21/12 at 7:56pm
post #52 of 197

Yah I'm sure anaconda power cables did way better than that, if only they could cook breakfast!

post #53 of 197
The only EQ that I ever used that didn't get in the way is the long-discontinued Cello Pallette by Mark Levinson (The man not the company).

It was an all-discrete, Pure Class-A six band unit that was quite different from that of a typical parametric EQ. Ideally it would be set up next to one's listening chair and allowed you to literally "remaster" recordings in real time, astonishing stuff!

Unfortunately it cost $25,000 in 1989 dollars, a much less expensive "preamp" version was later realesed but built with op-amps and vishay pots. Same concept but not even close to the same level of transparency.

And the primary reason why the concept of EQ is even necessary is because each and every recording that we listen to and own is very different.

I find the 009's "brightness" is really their ability to properly portray the bite and percussive impact of live music, IF allowed for by the recorded media and, of course, upstream components.
post #54 of 197
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

Somehow, every time I've tried EQ (digital or analog), it puts a subtle wall in front of the music even when the EQ settings are flat.
With my speakers that I thought were bright, I tried a Macintosh preamp with tone controls, and when they were activated, I heard the life sucked out of things.
The same happened with an Accuphase digital equalizer looped in with an Accuphase DP75 cd player.
They DID solve the brightness problem, but the sound was degraded to a depressing degree.
I tried and tried and eventually gave up on equalizers.

Was the digital EQ connected to the CD player digitally eg coaxial, toslink?
post #55 of 197

Dont you mean the Audio Palette which was the professional all discrete version $30,000?

The Cello was designed for home use so presume thats the version using opamps $6,000.

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Originally Posted by vinyllp33 View Post

The only EQ that I ever used that didn't get in the way is the long-discontinued Cello Pallette by Mark Levinson (The man not the company).
It was an all-discrete, Pure Class-A six band unit that was quite different from that of a typical parametric EQ. Ideally it would be set up next to one's listening chair and allowed you to literally "remaster" recordings in real time, astonishing stuff!
Unfortunately it cost $25,000 in 1989 dollars, a much less expensive "preamp" version was later realesed but built with op-amps and vishay pots. Same concept but not even close to the same level of transparency.
And the primary reason why the concept of EQ is even necessary is because each and every recording that we listen to and own is very different.
I find the 009's "brightness" is really their ability to properly portray the bite and percussive impact of live music, IF allowed for by the recorded media and, of course, upstream components.

Edited by complin - 9/22/12 at 1:20am
post #56 of 197
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Originally Posted by complin View Post

Dont you mean the Audio Palette which was the professional all discrete version $30,000?

The Cello was designed for home use so presume thats the version using opamps $6,000.

Here is a much more practical solution if you want something that absolutely won't have any negative effect on the sound but can tailor it to whatever you want:

 

http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/equalizers/psp_neon_hr/

 

It costs a great deal less than $30k. You can try it for free that way you are at no risk and no opamps.

post #57 of 197
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

Here is a much more practical solution if you want something that absolutely won't have any negative effect on the sound but can tailor it to whatever you want:

http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/equalizers/psp_neon_hr/

It costs a great deal less than $30k. You can try it for free that way you are at no risk and no opamps.
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/electri_q_posihfopit_edition_by_aixcoustic_creations
Free version of Electri-Q already has 25 bands EQ and many more types of filters to choose from. Linear phase EQ is a good sounding name but actually introduces pre-ringing. Minimum phase EQ ('digital' mode of Electri-Q) introduces phase shifts but these shifts actually cancel out existing phase distortion in the system if you use EQ to correct frequency response.
Edited by Joe Bloggs - 9/22/12 at 2:01am
post #58 of 197
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post


http://www.kvraudio.com/product/electri_q_posihfopit_edition_by_aixcoustic_creations
Free version of Electri-Q already has 25 bands EQ and many more types of filters to choose from. Linear phase EQ is a good sounding name but actually introduces pre-ringing. Minimum phase EQ ('digital' mode of Electri-Q) introduces phase shifts but these shifts actually cancel out existing phase distortion in the system if you use EQ to correct frequency response.

I suggested that one earlier because it is free but it is not completely transparent (although it is close). That is why I listed PSP Neon because it is not free but it is completely transparent. Frankly, the free one works for me, but I have tried the other and it is as perfect as any eq could be. I just didn't feel the need to buy it for myself. It is used by professionals for serious studio applications.

post #59 of 197
I try to solve this problem with my 099 and woo wes by changing tubeS, capacitor etc but not be able to completely solve this problem
The stax authorized dealer in Thailand give meus try on the viard cables for interconnect and power cord. It really solve and give a smooth nice high freq.
http://www.viardaudiodesign.com/en/produits.html
post #60 of 197
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Originally Posted by Birdoffice View Post

I try to solve this problem with my 099 and woo wes by changing tubeS, capacitor etc but not be able to completely solve this problem
The stax authorized dealer in Thailand give meus try on the viard cables for interconnect and power cord. It really solve and give a smooth nice high freq.
http://www.viardaudiodesign.com/en/produits.html

Glad to see more friends from Thailand. I bought my Stax system from that same dealer in Bangkok last week. They are nice people. You can, of course, invest serious money in cables and other tweeks and maybe arrive at a happy ending, but eq is a whole lot cheaper and it gives you the ability to tweek the sound exactly as you like.  

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