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post #136 of 256

I'd really love to upgrade, but it's really hard for me to justify such an expense when my BDP-83SE is still working perfectly...

post #137 of 256
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Originally Posted by cfcmick View Post

 

Interesting comments about going straight to an amp. I don't have that option at this time, but will certainly look into it at some point.

 

I have just ordered a 105 and have a hook-up question if you don't mind. I'll be running:

 

Analog outs from the 105 to my Onkyo 3009 Receiver.

HDMI (1) from 105 to my plasma.

HDMI out from Digital Cable Box to HDMI IN (back of 105)

USB from iMac to USB (Digital Audio In) on Oppo.

 

I don't need to connect anything else to the OPPO at this time.

 

Does anything else need to be connected between the Oppo and Onkyo, or am I good to go?

 

Thanks,

Mick.

 

Are you looking to do surround sound from the Oppo? You could do HDMI or Optical to the Onkyo and that would get you 5.1 or 7.1

post #138 of 256
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

 

Are you looking to do surround sound from the Oppo? You could do HDMI or Optical to the Onkyo and sthat would get you 5.1 or 7.1

Surround for HT, yes, but wouldn't I get that from the 7.1 analog outs from the Oppo?

post #139 of 256

I don't know enough about that beast of an AVR that you have...  Are you going to be using processing in the AVR for surround and/or room corrections?  Can you connect analog to the AVR and not do processing (direct feed)? 

 

The 1 and single thing that the 105 is missing (well besides being able to play ALAC) is that it does not do auto room corrections.  Though you can set the settings for each channel yourself.  It can obviously do first rate surround processing.  The issue comes when when you want to do room correction in your AVR or if the AVR does any processing - then it will have to convert your analog input to digital, process the signal, then convert it back to analog for output - which means you might as well use HDMI to begin with.  Some people are manually setting up their 105 settings and some AVR's will allow you to connect analog direct (pure).  Though I use the analog outs to feed my headamp and my power amp for music, I still use HDMI for HT.  Though I don't actually have a choice like you do.  The 105 also has 2 HDMI outs so you can just add the HDMI connection to your AVR and compare the inputs yourself.

 

I am thinking about getting the emo UMC-200 which is a 7-channel preamp with non-processed analog inputs - so that will give me a reason to test that connection myself.  I only have 1 input  (the 105) to my system and I'm only using 5.1 so getting one of those huge AVRs makes no sense to me but I could be thinking about it wrong.

 

The funny thing is that though I listen to music from the analog out's of the 105 directly to my power amp, since an output is still going over HDMI to my AVR I still use the AVR for bass management to control my subwoofer.  But I only do that because I'm lazy and it's the easiest thing for me to do.
 

post #140 of 256
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I don't know enough about that beast of an AVR that you have...  Are you going to be using processing in the AVR for surround and/or room corrections?  Can you connect analog to the AVR and not do processing (direct feed)? 

 

The 1 and single thing that the 105 is missing (well besides being able to play ALAC) is that it does not do auto room corrections.  Though you can set the settings for each channel yourself.  It can obviously do first rate surround processing.  The issue comes when when you want to do room correction in your AVR or if the AVR does any processing - then it will have to convert your analog input to digital, process the signal, then convert it back to analog for output - which means you might as well use HDMI to begin with.  Some people are manually setting up their 105 settings and some AVR's will allow you to connect analog direct (pure).  Though I use the analog outs to feed my headamp and my power amp for music, I still use HDMI for HT.  Though I don't actually have a choice like you do.  The 105 also has 2 HDMI outs so you can just add the HDMI connection to your AVR and compare the inputs yourself.

 

I am thinking about getting the emo UMC-200 which is a 7-channel preamp with non-processed analog inputs - so that will give me a reason to test that connection myself.  I only have 1 input  (the 105) to my system and I'm only using 5.1 so getting one of those huge AVRs makes no sense to me but I could be thinking about it wrong.

 

The funny thing is that though I listen to music from the analog out's of the 105 directly to my power amp, since an output is still going over HDMI to my AVR I still use the AVR for bass management to control my subwoofer.  But I only do that because I'm lazy and it's the easiest thing for me to do.
 

 

You've raised a lot of good points there. Although the 3009 does Auddysey XT32, I'm not running a sub at the moment (long story), so I'm not worried about room correction for now, hence the analog outs as I hear they do a great job . The 3009 has Multi Channels Analog Ins so should be fine. When I add a sub again, I'll have to play around with the HDMI option and XT32. 

 

Which XPA Emo amp are you using, btw?     

 

Thanks,

Mick.

post #141 of 256
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

 

Are you looking to do surround sound from the Oppo? You could do HDMI or Optical to the Onkyo and that would get you 5.1 or 7.1

The Oppo User Guide for my 103 states that Toslink Optical does not support 5.1 / 7.1 surround on BlueRay due to industry limitations.

You need HDMI to your A/V receiver.

 

My Anthem AVM 20 receiver is pre-HDMI only supports Component video.   My only choice was 6ch Analog and setting up the 103 to downgrade 7.1 to 5.1

post #142 of 256
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Originally Posted by TMoney View Post

Haven't posted in a while, but I bought one of these bad-boys too.
What sold me was the fact that Nelson Pass was using the 95 to run the rig he brought to Burning Amp this year. If Nelson signs off on it, that's all I need to know.

 

FWIW I saw a message from John Curl on diyAudio which implied he was a consultant on the BDP-105.

post #143 of 256
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Originally Posted by Iamnothim View Post

The Oppo User Guide for my 103 states that Toslink Optical does not support 5.1 / 7.1 surround on BlueRay due to industry limitations.

You need HDMI to your A/V receiver.

 

My Anthem AVM 20 receiver is pre-HDMI only supports Component video.   My only choice was 6ch Analog and setting up the 103 to downgrade 7.1 to 5.1

 

Nothing like a nest of cables to make things work!

post #144 of 256
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

 

Nothing like a nest of cables to make things work!

I was worried about the downgrade from 7.1 to 5.1 and losing my side surround speakers.  Not a problem.  The Oppo box continues to amaze me.

The 103 at 5.1 to the AVM20 sounds better than my old deck optical 7.1 to the AVM20.  It's a better DAC.  The soundstage and center channel is impressive.

 

That said, I was grumbling that the AVM20 is 7.1 pre-amp that only had 6ch analog inputs.

But I love the old beast and and the new Anthem is a Lot of Spinach.


Edited by Iamnothim - 1/1/13 at 10:33am
post #145 of 256
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My old Denon AVR-5800 had fantastic amps (7X 170 watts) but no HDMI...I keep it in case I need some amps for another setup.

post #146 of 256

I have an old Denon receiver as well. I've heard you can bypass the preamp and use them as simple amps. Is that true? Anyone know how to do this. Loved the sound from this old receiver but no HDMI. :-(

post #147 of 256

If was was possible then there would be connections on the back of the amp to do with so you could look there.  Normally there are a 2 sets of jacks that have shorting bars between them so you have to pull the bar out and connect your source right to the power amp.
 

post #148 of 256
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Originally Posted by cfcmick View Post

 

Which XPA Emo amp are you using, btw?     

 

Thanks,

Mick.

I have the xpa-200 but I'm liking it enough that I'm hoping I can trade it for a xpa 3 or 5.

post #149 of 256
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

My old Denon AVR-5800 had fantastic amps (7X 170 watts) but no HDMI...I keep it in case I need some amps for another setup.

 

I had a 4800 for a long time. The amps were truly exceptional for a receiver. The DACs though were pretty lacking by modern standards.

 

I may be wrong but I don't think either the 4800 or the 5800 had a way to bypass the preamp and feed directly to the amps. I did use mine with a Krell integrated and a Lavry DAC10 in HT bypass mode for stereo for a while though.

post #150 of 256
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

I had a 4800 for a long time. The amps were truly exceptional for a receiver. The DACs though were pretty lacking by modern standards.

I may be wrong but I don't think either the 4800 or the 5800 had a way to bypass the preamp and feed directly to the amps. I did use mine with a Krell integrated and a Lavry DAC10 in HT bypass mode for stereo for a while though.
The 5800 does allow for amp only or preamp only use. Handy!
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