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post #106 of 256

new review and more pics than you'd ever want:

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/12/08/test-oppo-bdp-105eu/
 

 

There have been a few reviews so far and they've all been very positive


Edited by tme110 - 12/10/12 at 7:41pm
post #107 of 256

I've actually been able to use my iphone to find and play music on my 105 but it's too buggy for real use.  Strange thing is, is that it works pretty well on my TV which I had no idea was a DLNA renderer.  Not sure why it's a DLNA renderer.

 

I loaded upnp into foobar and Kinsky on my iphone which works ok.  Even changes volume on the oppo but you can only play one song at a time.  As in, you have to stop one song or wait until it ends then pick another.  I'm sure there are better ways to set it up but I played with it for a while and that's all I could get it to do.  It also just stops working fairly regularly - and I haven't figure out which exact component needs restarted to make it work again but cycling everything works well enough. Note,  this is just me trying to make something work as a proof of concept.  At some point I'm sure we'll have real software written that actually works.  It was nice to see that it was possible though.
 

I saw some referense to there being a kinsky plugin for iTunes which may work really well exp for people who want ALAC access but I haven't been able to find it so far.  Maybe a mac thing.


Edited by tme110 - 12/10/12 at 7:42pm
post #108 of 256
Thread Starter 
It would be nice to find a sooloos type app where you could build a playlist on the fly....
post #109 of 256

I've been able to use foobar to control my oppo 105. I use an iphone and haven't figured out how to useably control the 105 from it yet but I hear there is a android app that does it.

 

But if you add the uPNP app to foobar (and I'm sure it's the same thing for J River and everything else) you can set foobar up as a (uPNP) server then use the foobar uPNP controller to send music and use playlists to send music over wifi (DLNA) to the Oppo renderer.  it works pretty well.

 

I'm also using the 105 directly connected to a power amp and it's working well so far.

 

If you want to ignore all the DLNA uPNP stuff, the usb DAC works great, even at hi-res even on windows.  There should be more discussion about this player because it's the deal of a lifetime for capabilities.
 

post #110 of 256
Thread Starter 

Strictly from a Transport/Dac perspective I would be interested in it vs the Cambridge 851C....I need to compare the capabilities because the 105 may be equal or more than the Cambridge for $700 less money plus giving you Blu-Ray and the HP amp....

post #111 of 256

and a multichannel DAC, and SACD, HDCD, DVD audio,Bluray audio, etc etc
 

post #112 of 256
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

and a multichannel DAC, and SACD, HDCD, DVD audio,Bluray audio, etc etc
 

Details, Details....biggrin.gif

post #113 of 256
Just ordered the 103 from Amazon in anticipation of coupling it with a soon to be Smyth Realiser. Ordered an SACD and DVD Audio disc as well. Now I'm left wondering if can take over most of my SBT duties. Namely-does it output asynch USB (to my DP1)? Can it wirelessly stream files from my pc/router, or is an SD card/USB HDD required? Just wondering if it can compete with/replace the SBT as my source...
-Daniel
Edited by BournePerfect - 12/20/12 at 8:22pm
post #114 of 256

 I just read the reviews listed in the oppo website.There are two reviews that are pretty in depth about the new 105.I found it very interesting that oppo initially just tried to add the headphone amp to the 95s existing dac set up and found that it did not sound as good as the 95.They had to make several changes to the 105 dac set up to attain the same performance level as the 95.They no longer stack all the dacs for two channel thru the rca jacks.They have one set of dacs for the rca jacks.One set of dacs for the balanced jacks.They stacked the remaining four dacs for the headphone amp and the accompanying digital volume control accessed from the remote.

 They isolated the dacs for the analog rca outputs along with the analog linear power supply.They also beefed up the linear power supply used for the dacs to maintain the excellent sonics they had obtained originally on the 95 by stacking the dacs to obtain lower noise levels.

 The 105 looks to be a very versatile media player.The digital inputs and outputs are prettty comprehensive.I think oppo looks like they have done their homework when they designed this unit.They may have just hit another home run and maybe even a grand slam with the 105.


Edited by buson160man - 12/20/12 at 10:50pm
post #115 of 256

I've had a BDP-105 since initial launch. It is a pretty amazing piece. Since it has a number of digital inputs including async USB and is quite network aware it can serve as a digital preamp quite well. The analog line level output is really good. It is an ESS9018 and the analog circuitry is really good. Oppo brought in a lot of good people to help with that. I saw a message from John Curl talking about his experiences with Oppo. 

 

I plan to use it as a preamp when the day comes to replace it with the next player.

 

There are some ergonomic issues with using it as a preamp though - chief among them is needing a screen to make settings changes and to control some of the features. The output voltages are more aimed at use with a preamp or receiver than directly to an amp. It's clear Oppo didn't really intend this to be the primary market for this.

 

The headphone output works well and is very high quality soundwise with 2 channel music and most headphones like my LCD-2. However multichannel mixdowns are at lower levels which make an LCD-2 unsuitable for this type of material via the headphone out.


Edited by ehlarson - 12/21/12 at 9:58am
post #116 of 256
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There are some ergonomic issues with using it as a preamp though - chief among them is needing a screen to make settings changes and to control some of the features. The output voltages are more aimed at use with a preamp or receiver than directly to an amp. It's clear Oppo didn't really intend this to be the primary market for this.

 

 

Though you can change inputs and volume  and play discs etc without needing a screen.

 

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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

Just ordered the 103 from Amazon in anticipation of coupling it with a soon to be Smyth Realiser. Ordered an SACD and DVD Audio disc as well. Now I'm left wondering if can take over most of my SBT duties. Namely-does it output asynch USB (to my DP1)? Can it wirelessly stream files from my pc/router, or is an SD card/USB HDD required? Just wondering if it can compete with/replace the SBT as my source...
-Daniel

 

Yes, a lot of that is what my last couple posts have been about.  There is no such thing as asynch USB out but the Oppo has no usb out and only the 105 has asynch USB in (in addition to the normal mass-starge device USB in's they all have).

 

The Oppo 93,95, 103, 105 can play streamed DLNA music and usually works pretty well (the standard user interface is not great though and it actually pretty bad if you have lots of music).  The 103 and 105 are also DLNA renderers which means you can use another device to find and play music and 'force it' to the 105.  See my previous post where I'm using foobar on my laptop to play music on my Oppo without being connected. 

 

Note the internal DAC is very good and you should make sure you test it out.  As a source it can definitely replace your SBT depending on how you want your user interaction to work.  ie the only thing you may want the SBT for is potentially a better user interface (transport).  But with EDO I'm guessing the SBT could go USB to the OPPO (assuming you had the 105) but don't quote me on that.

 

As a combined transport, source (and even headphone amp) it is really an amazing piece.  The only negative being the built in user interface but there are lots of options around that and I'm sure the options will get better.

 

I don't really use the head amp but it does sound great with my grados.

 

Since you mentioned SACD's, make sure you can use it in a multichannel system.  Multi-channel SACD's are often pretty amazing.  Even DOSM is a new experience when you can hear it in muiti-channle.

post #117 of 256

One interesting thing is that a mixed environment of SBT + Oppo Bdp-100's work pretty well together because the Logitech Media Server is also a DLNA server, and the SBT also works as a DLNA renderer. I've been using BubbleUpPnP on my Android to control the players.

 

I already have a Squeezebox network, and liked what I saw enough to pick up a barely-used SBT off of Ebay to supplement my existing gear.

 

The only problem is of course Logitech discontinued this product line, but I'm hoping that what I have now will work for enough years for something even nicer to become available.

post #118 of 256

http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq
 

 

Another source of well compiled info.  This is for the 103 but most of it works for the 105 too.

post #119 of 256

 I had heard that peachtree is coming out with a new I dac featuring the 9018 sabre dac chip.They say the price will be the same as the previous idac offering with the 9016 chip.But in light of the new oppo unit which is priced only about two hundred more dollars at 1199 usd the oppo with its added verstility looks to be a much better value.The video performance looks to be a step up from the 95.The universal player is a lot more versatile especially with all the added digital inpits and outputs with hdmi inputs as well.I think I may pull the trigger on the 105 when I can swing it financially.But for now i have to recover from my holiday spending ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

post #120 of 256

I'll be ordering a 105 in the next few days. Does anyone know if there would be any benefit to:

 

a) using XLR outs for 2 Channel on 1 meter or less cable runs?

 

b) using XLR to RCA cables (same length)? Or would any benefit be negated by having RCA's on one end?

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mick.

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