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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post
 

 

That's pretty much exactly the opposite: I had too much bass/lower mids and way too little mids and treble! Was there anything strange with your ear, like really tiny ear canals?

Don't think I have tiny ear canals. Not too sure but perhaps what I got is how the BA4F should sound. Guess I'll have to give it a bit more listening to get used to it. What I've experienced is too much treble and not much bass.

 

The odd thing about these is that they extend really deep so it's actually really hard to get into my canals, I know the proper way of putting in monitors but with these it seems like you have to jam it in or something unless I'm doing something wrong. I rotate it front and then slowly rotate back to make it enter my canal but it doesn't quite work like that with these monitors.


Edited by infam0ussteven - 9/18/13 at 7:37am
post #2927 of 5221

I've been monitoring this thread and was going to go for the BA4-F, however the mixed reviews are making me a little apprehensive since it's my first IEMs.

Those reporting the excessive bass and reduced mid/trebble: Are they still enjoyable? What other IEMs would you say have a similar sound signature.

 

I'm just doing my homework before pulling the trigger and sending away my ear impressions. 


Edited by ApplesRevenge - 9/18/13 at 8:27am
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Being your first iems and if you are looking for a fun signature i recommend you to check the fischer amps fa 4e xb too, as you can see there are no mixed reviews of them all the users find them great
Edited by Kurdt-bada - 9/18/13 at 8:47am
post #2929 of 5221
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Originally Posted by ApplesRevenge View Post
 

I've been monitoring this thread and was going to go for the BA4-F, however the mixed reviews are making me a little apprehensive since it's my first IEMs.

Those reporting the excessive bass and reduced mid/trebble: Are they still enjoyable? What other IEMs would you say have a similar sound signature.

 

I'm just doing my homework before pulling the trigger and sending away my ear impressions. 

In my case something strange was happening, and Phil is remaking my pair. My ears are very small, including my ear canals so he had to use smaller bores. 

They still had very good SQ, especially when I eq-ed the upper bass/lower mids down.

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Originally Posted by infam0ussteven View Post
 

Don't think I have tiny ear canals. Not too sure but perhaps what I got is how the BA4F should sound. Guess I'll have to give it a bit more listening to get used to it. What I've experienced is too much treble and not much bass.

 

The odd thing about these is that they extend really deep so it's actually really hard to get into my canals, I know the proper way of putting in monitors but with these it seems like you have to jam it in or something unless I'm doing something wrong. I rotate it front and then slowly rotate back to make it enter my canal but it doesn't quite work like that with these monitors.

 

Are you sure they didn't sent you the BA4Rs? :p

What kind of reference speakers/headphones/IEMs do you have to compare them too?
post #2931 of 5221

The BA4F has just the right amount of bass for almost all of my songs. I listen to quite a bit of Kpop music and every now and then some dubstep/electro music. The bass is very punctual and especially clean. After receiving my pair, I realized I was too used to hearing all my songs with excessive bass that it distorted my view on what amount of bass was acceptable and what wasn't. I noticed this especially in rap songs. 

 

I'm not sure about the others but the bass was just the right amount for me. Had I chosen the non-bass version BA4R, I would have likely returned them in exchange for the BA4F.

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I just sent my HY3's back to Phil for a refit (thickening the canals for a better seal). Will keep you guys posted on how it goes.

post #2933 of 5221

The BA4R and BA4F demo models have arrived!

 

The looks: The fun model is blue, and the reference is purple with glitters. I have to say, both these colors look absolutely stunning irl. I especially like the purple with the glitters. With like I mean, they are freaking jewelry for men. Manly jewelry.

 

The demo models are a bit big for me, it's very hard for me to get a seal. I have to push them it quite painfully, but I managed.

 

BA4F demo compared to my previous BA4F's: the demo model sounds nothing like my old pair. The bass actually seems less boosted by about 3-5 db. The BA4f sounds warm really, I definitely wouldn't call it a bass boost. The sound sig of the BA4f actually resembles my mackie studio monitors, granted these 8" models are slightly warm sounding, but still very neutral. I personally love this sound signature, the BA4f is very capable. The only downside of the sound, is a slightly harsh sounding upper mid region. But I think some EQ finetuning can completely remove this. It's a very small problem, that's only noticable in some songs, with some higher pitched snares or voices. 

 

The BA4F vs the BA4R: what a difference, the BA4R is very cold and analytical sounding compared to the BA4F. I personally don't really like this signature. Since I listen to a lot of metal, a genre that often has a lot of sounds in the upper mids and treble, this is definitely problematic. It still sounds good though, just don't listen to any badly produced songs and you'll be fine! The BA4F sounds more balanced/neutral to me, the bass of the BA4R seems to dip a bit lower than the mids and highs, and this is very new to me.

 

Both models have excellent imaging and separating capabilities, and both are very clear and resolving.

That's it for now, these demo models are seriously starting to bruise my ears!

 

Oh and on a side note, the new shells seem comfortable! Which is good, because these don't come with the smaller bore size, I think I will again order the BA4F and hope the bass problems were caused by the (much) smaller bores.

Update on the shells: Have worn them for hours now, and haven't felt the slightest discomfort. Awesome.


Edited by Marleybob217 - 9/19/13 at 11:49am
post #2934 of 5221

Make sure to let Phil know about your impressions on the demo BA4F versus your previous ones. What you are hearing with the demo version is what the BA4F is supposed to sound like, so there is something off with your canals, probably the small bores as you suggested.

 

As for the slight harshness in the upper mids, I think that is where the mid and treble drivers cross over, creating a bit of a bump. I hear this with my HY3 too. It really stuck out at first, being used to the ultra-smooth HD600, but after getting used to it, it didn't really bother me much anymore. The bump is only a few db, nothing dramatic. I'm not sure the exact frequency of the crossover, but I think around 3k is typical?

post #2935 of 5221
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post
 

Make sure to let Phil know about your impressions on the demo BA4F versus your previous ones. What you are hearing with the demo version is what the BA4F is supposed to sound like, so there is something off with your canals, probably the small bores as you suggested.

 

As for the slight harshness in the upper mids, I think that is where the mid and treble drivers cross over, creating a bit of a bump. I hear this with my HY3 too. It really stuck out at first, being used to the ultra-smooth HD600, but after getting used to it, it didn't really bother me much anymore. The bump is only a few db, nothing dramatic. I'm not sure the exact frequency of the crossover, but I think around 3k is typical?

 

Yes I think you're absolutely right about the crossovers. It's a very slight hump, it makes snares stand out a bit more, can be helpful when I'm playing the drums actually.

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I love photography :)

 

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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post
 

The BA4R and BA4F demo models have arrived!

 

The looks: The fun model is blue, and the reference is purple with glitters. I have to say, both these colors look absolutely stunning irl. I especially like the purple with the glitters. With like I mean, they are freaking jewelry for men. Manly jewelry.

 

The demo models are a bit big for me, it's very hard for me to get a seal. I have to push them it quite painfully, but I managed.

 

BA4F demo compared to my previous BA4F's: the demo model sounds nothing like my old pair. The bass actually seems less boosted by about 3-5 db. The BA4f sounds warm really, I definitely wouldn't call it a bass boost. The sound sig of the BA4f actually resembles my mackie studio monitors, granted these 8" models are slightly warm sounding, but still very neutral. I personally love this sound signature, the BA4f is very capable. The only downside of the sound, is a slightly harsh sounding upper mid region. But I think some EQ finetuning can completely remove this. It's a very small problem, that's only noticable in some songs, with some higher pitched snares or voices. 

 

The BA4F vs the BA4R: what a difference, the BA4R is very cold and analytical sounding compared to the BA4F. I personally don't really like this signature. Since I listen to a lot of metal, a genre that often has a lot of sounds in the upper mids and treble, this is definitely problematic. It still sounds good though, just don't listen to any badly produced songs and you'll be fine! The BA4F sounds more balanced/neutral to me, the bass of the BA4R seems to dip a bit lower than the mids and highs, and this is very new to me.

 

Both models have excellent imaging and separating capabilities, and both are very clear and resolving.

That's it for now, these demo models are seriously starting to bruise my ears!

 

Oh and on a side note, the new shells seem comfortable! Which is good, because these don't come with the smaller bore size, I think I will again order the BA4F and hope the bass problems were caused by the (much) smaller bores.

 

Good impressions, thanks! Off the top of my head, I'd guess the demo models are both giving you slightly less bass than their universal counterparts would, just based on seal. If I take your impressions and add a slight bass boost on each, they line up (more or less) with my own. 
 
I do think both models - but especially the BA4R - really demand a good source and quality amplification. The BA4R is never a bass monster but it's extra thin and wispy with a Sansa Clip+ or similar caliber player. 
post #2938 of 5221
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Good impressions, thanks! Off the top of my head, I'd guess the demo models are both giving you slightly less bass than their universal counterparts would, just based on seal. If I take your impressions and add a slight bass boost on each, they line up (more or less) with my own. 
 
I do think both models - but especially the BA4R - really demand a good source and quality amplification. The BA4R is never a bass monster but it's extra thin and wispy with a Sansa Clip+ or similar caliber player. 

 

Thanks! When will add just a small bass boost on both models to see what's what. Not now though, because right now, my ears are bruised!

What model are you more drawn to these days?

post #2939 of 5221
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post
The only downside of the sound, is a slightly harsh sounding upper mid region. But I think some EQ finetuning can completely remove this. It's a very small problem, that's only noticable in some songs, with some higher pitched snares or voices. 

This was my problem exactly. The problem is that this showed up in 9 out of 10 songs. I would say the BA4F sort of sounds like my m-audio av40 minus the harsh upper mids as the av40s are pretty flat throughout. Maybe I'll get used to the way the BA4F sounds, right now I don't have many hours on them yet since I've been kept busy by GTA5... lol.



But how do you guys put the monitors in? They're so odd, I rotate front and then rotate back but it doesn't even slip into my ear canal.
Edited by infam0ussteven - 9/19/13 at 1:57pm
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The only downside of the sound, is a slightly harsh sounding upper mid region. But I think some EQ finetuning can completely remove this. It's a very small problem, that's only noticable in some songs, with some higher pitched snares or voices. 

This was my problem exactly. The problem is that this showed up in 9 out of 10 songs. I would say the BA4F sort of sounds like my m-audio av40 minus the harsh upper mids as the av40s are pretty flat throughout. Maybe I'll get used to the way the BA4F sounds, right now I don't have many hours on them yet since I've been kept busy by GTA5... lol.



But how do you guys put the monitors in? They're so odd, I rotate front and then rotate back but it doesn't even slip into my ear canal.

 

Haha :D

 
Well, it's definitely Not sibilance what I'm hearing. Just a slight upper harshness, But you should be able to fix it very easily with some eq settings if it's really bothering you. 
There is no rotating for me, doesn't work with my ears. I first pop in the upper part, and then press gently on the lower front part to get the bore into my ear canals.
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