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post #2281 of 4460
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

I don't really get why the prefits are necessary. If the CIEM fits in the ear mold, will it not, per definition be comfortable? Since it's a replicate of the inside of your ear? :x


Neither do I!  If I had any inkling of all the hassle I might well not have bothered.

 

Cheers

post #2282 of 4460
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post

If the workmanship is good, the shells should be perfect replicas of your impressions (with a tiny bit of added thickness from a hot wax dip). However, your impressions may not ncessarily be perfect impressions of your ears, hence all the problems with DIY kits and bad audiologists.

Right, well that makes more sense. But then I don't really get how an audiologist can make bad impressions. Luckily I'm fairly confident my impressions are good.

post #2283 of 4460
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post


Neither do I!  If I had any inkling of all the hassle I might well not have bothered.

 

Cheers

So which side messed up? The audiologist or the CIEM maker?

post #2284 of 4460
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Right, well that makes more sense. But then I don't really get how an audiologist can make bad impressions. Luckily I'm fairly confident my impressions are good.

Not following instructions, not using the right material, doing it for hearing aids the list goes on!

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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

So which side messed up? The audiologist or the CIEM maker?

That's the weird thing we don't know.  It's been solved by me playing about with fit and a couple of unusual adjustments.  I'm sure you've seen the videos and how to's well none of that worked for me and it was somewhere in between.  I have to line up the top and the back and rotate and slide it in for some reason.  Do that and it seems to fit ok (still not sure about long term comfort but for an album at home or whatever it's fine).

 

So that would point to the audiologist right?  Wrong.  When I had my impressions back fit first time.  Just slid right in.  Somethings getting lost in translation and we aren't sure what.  As an experiment I'm getting some of my old shells back from CE when I get my MA back (hopefully before they go on holiday) and going to use the new fit method on those just to see what's what.  I'm particularly interested in the long one that they did for me way back.  If that fits I'm using that one in future!  I seem to be the exception to the rule (as usual!), so I wouldn't worry about it.  I also think it's to do with me being disabled down my right side so we aren't playing with the "normal" rules.  I'm sure you'll be fine so good luck with those.

 

Cheers

post #2285 of 4460
I had my ears impression made by a professionnal audiologist but it's my first ciem and I did my impressions about a month ago and sent it right away to Phil. But it took about a month before the work to begin and after couple of times the impression shrink a little bit.
So I prefer to use the prefit service.
post #2286 of 4460

How long time?
 

post #2287 of 4460
I don't know exactly how long time but the audiologist warn me about that and told me to send it to Phil ASAP after he made it because with time it will shrink a little bit and the fit of the Shell will not be as good as it could be.
post #2288 of 4460
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Originally Posted by neozecat View Post

I don't know exactly how long time but the audiologist warn me about that and told me to send it to Phil ASAP after he made it because with time it will shrink a little bit and the fit of the Shell will not be as good as it could be.

 

That shouldn't be true. Some older, lesser quality impression materials are more prone to shrinking but even those should last several weeks or months without shrinking. And many CIEM makers dip the impressions in hot wax before making the mould to thicken it up a bit.
Edited by blueangel2323 - 6/28/13 at 7:38am
post #2289 of 4460
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

Not following instructions, not using the right material, doing it for hearing aids the list goes on!

That's the weird thing we don't know.  It's been solved by me playing about with fit and a couple of unusual adjustments.  I'm sure you've seen the videos and how to's well none of that worked for me and it was somewhere in between.  I have to line up the top and the back and rotate and slide it in for some reason.  Do that and it seems to fit ok (still not sure about long term comfort but for an album at home or whatever it's fine).

 

So that would point to the audiologist right?  Wrong.  When I had my impressions back fit first time.  Just slid right in.  Somethings getting lost in translation and we aren't sure what.  As an experiment I'm getting some of my old shells back from CE when I get my MA back (hopefully before they go on holiday) and going to use the new fit method on those just to see what's what.  I'm particularly interested in the long one that they did for me way back.  If that fits I'm using that one in future!  I seem to be the exception to the rule (as usual!), so I wouldn't worry about it.  I also think it's to do with me being disabled down my right side so we aren't playing with the "normal" rules.  I'm sure you'll be fine so good luck with those.

 

Cheers

Maybe the impressions got damaged somehow? Maybe your ears underwent an extremely fast and unusual growth?

Anyway, seems like the best way to go for the prefit service. However, it will drag out the process even more, and it costs more (slightly).

post #2290 of 4460
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Maybe the impressions got damaged somehow? Maybe your ears underwent an extremely fast and unusual growth?

Anyway, seems like the best way to go for the prefit service. However, it will drag out the process even more, and it costs more (slightly).


Heh.

 

If you read the post again, my impressions fit fine first time when I had them back :)  That's what was so odd about it.  Somethings getting lost in translation and we're not sure what.

 

Also it was my situation (phil was using empty shells instead of full built monitors to save time, think I had three or four before finalizing the best of the lot) that led to the introduction of the prefit service in the first place so at least some good came out of it!

 

Just got to accept that I have very odd canals that doesn't seem to like acryllic much!  Even weirder is that I went with a previous company that uses silicone.  Got my right ear correct first time which surprised the **** out of me.  Could never get my left correct though.  Always felt sore afterwards.  Maybe I ought to have a silicone for right and acryllic for left!  That'd be unique :)

 

Cheers

post #2291 of 4460
Thread Starter 

Yesterday I received the latest BA4 model with the slightly boosted bass. I let Phil decide on whatever design he wanted, and he didn't tell me so it was a surprise. Ended up being a pure white marble look on both sides - very classy! I tried to get a good picture but failed miserably, then ran out of time.... so I'll try again later.

 

Listening impressions - keep in mind I've only had a little time for them so far. But I'm going out on a limb to say these are everything I had hoped they would be, and then some! Bass is present, powerful, not overbearing but very solid and deep. And the rest is still as accurate as ever. Though somehow the presentation comes off as having slightly less treble-emphasis, which is probably just a psychoacoustic response to the increased low end. 

 

You know the funny thing - in preparation for this new model arriving, I've been spending more time with the original BA4 (now called the BA4R) to get re-acquainted with it. I stand by all my original comments on the sound, but I've also discovered a few ways to "wake up" the low end a bit. Using either the HiFi ET MA9 - a portable DAP with warm and smooth sound courtesy of dual PCM1704 DAC chips and a nice opamp/buffer stage in the amp section - as well as the Yulong DA8 - a reference caliber DAC with integrated amp - I was able to get some very impressive bass response from the original BA4. Quite a contrast as compared to driving it with a Sansa Clip+ or iPad or similar, where it just sounds a lot more thin and bright. It's almost a night and day transformation. Another interesting note: compared to many of my other CIEMs, the BA4 takes a much higher turn of the knob to reach the same volume level. The Yulong DA8 shows volume on its display, and I run the Westone ES5 at -58dB or so for comfortable listening. The BA4 reaches similar volume at around -47dB. So it's definitely a power hungry little CIEM, and I suspect this is why it doesn't quite wake up from portable devices. 

 

Anyway, back to the new BA4F version - it's also power hungry but due to the enhanced bass response it is far more suitable for basic DAP or even cell phone use. But again - it's a very transparent sounding IEM and thus will scale highly with a better source. I immediately noticed a difference with classic rock (Zeppelin, Hendrix) having a more engaging feel. A lot of those older tracks are somewhat bass shy and the original BA4 did them no favors. The new version is very satisfying. But it's still not a bass cannon - the boost is very tastefully done, and as a whole these are still slightly less bass focused than the 1964 Ears V3 for example. I need to compare some more but I'd say they have roughly the same amount of boost as the JH13 FreqPhase. Not bad company to be in. 

 

Obviously 1 day of mild use is not enough to provide much insight into the sound. I'm impressed so far and I think that will only increase as I listen further. Having said that, the original BA4 also turns out to be quite the nice sounding CIEM when used with warmer sources, so I wouldn't count that out either. At under $500 even after faceplate customization, both BA4 versions are shaping up to be very serious contenders. 

post #2292 of 4460
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

Yesterday I received the latest BA4 model with the slightly boosted bass. I let Phil decide on whatever design he wanted, and he didn't tell me so it was a surprise. Ended up being a pure white marble look on both sides - very classy! I tried to get a good picture but failed miserably, then ran out of time.... so I'll try again later.

 

Listening impressions - keep in mind I've only had a little time for them so far. But I'm going out on a limb to say these are everything I had hoped they would be, and then some! Bass is present, powerful, not overbearing but very solid and deep. And the rest is still as accurate as ever. Though somehow the presentation comes off as having slightly less treble-emphasis, which is probably just a psychoacoustic response to the increased low end. 

 

You know the funny thing - in preparation for this new model arriving, I've been spending more time with the original BA4 (now called the BA4R) to get re-acquainted with it. I stand by all my original comments on the sound, but I've also discovered a few ways to "wake up" the low end a bit. Using either the HiFi ET MA9 - a portable DAP with warm and smooth sound courtesy of dual PCM1704 DAC chips and a nice opamp/buffer stage in the amp section - as well as the Yulong DA8 - a reference caliber DAC with integrated amp - I was able to get some very impressive bass response from the original BA4. Quite a contrast as compared to driving it with a Sansa Clip+ or iPad or similar, where it just sounds a lot more thin and bright. It's almost a night and day transformation. Another interesting note: compared to many of my other CIEMs, the BA4 takes a much higher turn of the knob to reach the same volume level. The Yulong DA8 shows volume on its display, and I run the Westone ES5 at -58dB or so for comfortable listening. The BA4 reaches similar volume at around -47dB. So it's definitely a power hungry little CIEM, and I suspect this is why it doesn't quite wake up from portable devices. 

 

Anyway, back to the new BA4F version - it's also power hungry but due to the enhanced bass response it is far more suitable for basic DAP or even cell phone use. But again - it's a very transparent sounding IEM and thus will scale highly with a better source. I immediately noticed a difference with classic rock (Zeppelin, Hendrix) having a more engaging feel. A lot of those older tracks are somewhat bass shy and the original BA4 did them no favors. The new version is very satisfying. But it's still not a bass cannon - the boost is very tastefully done, and as a whole these are still slightly less bass focused than the 1964 Ears V3 for example. I need to compare some more but I'd say they have roughly the same amount of boost as the JH13 FreqPhase. Not bad company to be in. 

 

Obviously 1 day of mild use is not enough to provide much insight into the sound. I'm impressed so far and I think that will only increase as I listen further. Having said that, the original BA4 also turns out to be quite the nice sounding CIEM when used with warmer sources, so I wouldn't count that out either. At under $500 even after faceplate customization, both BA4 versions are shaping up to be very serious contenders. 


Was wondering what you'd think of these.  Phil's said that these are so popular that's he's having to get some more in.  If we could only get a consistent fit sorted in my situation I'd be all over these as a preferred sound signature and have done with it once and for all (no, really, honestly!).

 

Just curious as how these play with the standard clip or ipod as a source?  If I were you I'd brace myself for a wave of incoming questions and pms!  Maybe it's a good thing CE are about to go on holiday for a couple of weeks!

 

Oh and post pics please!

 

Cheers

post #2293 of 4460
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

Yesterday I received the latest BA4 model with the slightly boosted bass. I let Phil decide on whatever design he wanted, and he didn't tell me so it was a surprise. Ended up being a pure white marble look on both sides - very classy! I tried to get a good picture but failed miserably, then ran out of time.... so I'll try again later.

 

Listening impressions - keep in mind I've only had a little time for them so far. But I'm going out on a limb to say these are everything I had hoped they would be, and then some! Bass is present, powerful, not overbearing but very solid and deep. And the rest is still as accurate as ever. Though somehow the presentation comes off as having slightly less treble-emphasis, which is probably just a psychoacoustic response to the increased low end. 

 

You know the funny thing - in preparation for this new model arriving, I've been spending more time with the original BA4 (now called the BA4R) to get re-acquainted with it. I stand by all my original comments on the sound, but I've also discovered a few ways to "wake up" the low end a bit. Using either the HiFi ET MA9 - a portable DAP with warm and smooth sound courtesy of dual PCM1704 DAC chips and a nice opamp/buffer stage in the amp section - as well as the Yulong DA8 - a reference caliber DAC with integrated amp - I was able to get some very impressive bass response from the original BA4. Quite a contrast as compared to driving it with a Sansa Clip+ or iPad or similar, where it just sounds a lot more thin and bright. It's almost a night and day transformation. Another interesting note: compared to many of my other CIEMs, the BA4 takes a much higher turn of the knob to reach the same volume level. The Yulong DA8 shows volume on its display, and I run the Westone ES5 at -58dB or so for comfortable listening. The BA4 reaches similar volume at around -47dB. So it's definitely a power hungry little CIEM, and I suspect this is why it doesn't quite wake up from portable devices. 

 

Anyway, back to the new BA4F version - it's also power hungry but due to the enhanced bass response it is far more suitable for basic DAP or even cell phone use. But again - it's a very transparent sounding IEM and thus will scale highly with a better source. I immediately noticed a difference with classic rock (Zeppelin, Hendrix) having a more engaging feel. A lot of those older tracks are somewhat bass shy and the original BA4 did them no favors. The new version is very satisfying. But it's still not a bass cannon - the boost is very tastefully done, and as a whole these are still slightly less bass focused than the 1964 Ears V3 for example. I need to compare some more but I'd say they have roughly the same amount of boost as the JH13 FreqPhase. Not bad company to be in. 

 

Obviously 1 day of mild use is not enough to provide much insight into the sound. I'm impressed so far and I think that will only increase as I listen further. Having said that, the original BA4 also turns out to be quite the nice sounding CIEM when used with warmer sources, so I wouldn't count that out either. At under $500 even after faceplate customization, both BA4 versions are shaping up to be very serious contenders. 

Thank you so much, I will order these in a heartbeat if they will fit in my impressions.

post #2294 of 4460

Hey guys,

 

I really love my Pures (single dynamic) The sound sig is good and the soundstage is even better. What would be a good upgrade from this? I'm thinking the ba3 but i'm not sure. I prefer no 5-7khz peak. I think hybrids will not be an option since phil said that the hy3 won't fit, but then again my impressions weren't good (my pure doesn't fit that good either) so maybe it might fit if I send new ones. And when will the new cables arrive? I love the looks of it and will definately wait until they are available.

 

For reference, I love grado rs2i's great soundstage and air. I love senn's hd518 and 650's sound.

post #2295 of 4460
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post


Was wondering what you'd think of these.  Phil's said that these are so popular that's he's having to get some more in.  If we could only get a consistent fit sorted in my situation I'd be all over these as a preferred sound signature and have done with it once and for all (no, really, honestly!).

 

Just curious as how these play with the standard clip or ipod as a source?  If I were you I'd brace myself for a wave of incoming questions and pms!  Maybe it's a good thing CE are about to go on holiday for a couple of weeks!

 

Oh and post pics please!

 

Cheers

 

I can see why. Seems like a fantastic "all arounder" with enough low end to satisfy most, and enough details as well - yet not quite as ruthless as the original model. I can see how Phil has a preference for his "house sound" which despite the high levels of clarity is never shouty, peaky, or harsh. 

 

These sound decent with a Fuze or Clip+ driving them. Volume levels need to be pushed fairly high which affects battery life, but it gets loud enough for me. Adding an amp or using a better source does pay dividends though, more on this CIEM than some others. 

 

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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Thank you so much, I will order these in a heartbeat if they will fit in my impressions.

 

You're welcome!

 

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Originally Posted by HolyCheese View Post

Hey guys,

 

I really love my Pures (single dynamic) The sound sig is good and the soundstage is even better. What would be a good upgrade from this? I'm thinking the ba3 but i'm not sure. I prefer no 5-7khz peak. I think hybrids will not be an option since phil said that the hy3 won't fit, but then again my impressions weren't good (my pure doesn't fit that good either) so maybe it might fit if I send new ones. And when will the new cables arrive? I love the looks of it and will definately wait until they are available.

 

For reference, I love grado rs2i's great soundstage and air. I love senn's hd518 and 650's sound.

 

Could be the BA3 - though I haven't heard that model, I'd say the BA4 (even the Fun version) may be overly detailed for you. The BA2 or MA2 with the twin driver is very impressive, and might just do the trick. The only potential issue is the bass output - it's good, but can't thump massively hard at high volumes. There's only so much output you can squeeze from those little drivers. So the BA3 may be the solution to that. 

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