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post #781 of 9020
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
 

Horowitz and Toscanini's Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto live from Carnegie Hall is electrifying. Nothing is similar to it at all.

Yes.

post #782 of 9020
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

 

I'm curious about the Rattle/Lang Lang.

For some reason i have an irrational disposition away from anything to do with him(Lang Lang)

and have mixed feelings about Rattle's work in the past with Bartok's music.

I would say that Bartok (Lang Lang + Rattle) is not the main stuff on this record.

The Prokoviev 3 is the kind of music that fits Lang Lang style.

Anyway, my point is the comparison. 

You don`t need the Lang Lang style and faces and gestures and... to play a nice Proko 3.

Argerich get it just right without the Lang Lang show style.

I still need to hear a lot of times to compare Abbado and Rattle in this case.

@bigshot Thanks to the Horowitz tip. Will look into it.

post #783 of 9020
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Originally Posted by 96rubberduckys View Post
 

Hmm.. I have both the Cliburn and the Argerich recordings (one with Dutoit, another with Kondrashin), but the Pogorelich is definitely my favorite, with Kissin (with Karajan) second. Must be the slower tempos I like :)

This one is new to me as well. Thanks for the tip

post #784 of 9020

Everything I've heard by Lang Lang is played in a mediocre manner while the phrasing gets pulled around like taffy. Both Abbado and Rattle are pretty bland conductors. I don't think I'd be able to tell them apart (except by their haircuts).


Edited by bigshot - 11/27/13 at 11:06am
post #785 of 9020
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

Kind of on topic:

 

 

This was my first exposure to Martha Argerich and I recall being blown away.

This was some time ago however and I'm not saying it's on the "Best classical recordings.... ever!" category.

 

Just saying....

Speaking of Argerich, try this:

 

Most intense Gaspard I've ever come across, especially the scarbo

post #786 of 9020
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
 

Everything I've heard by Lang Lang is played in a mediocre manner while the phrasing gets pulled around like taffy. Both Abbado and Rattle are pretty bland conductors. I don't think I'd be able to tell them apart (except by their haircuts).

:veryevil:

post #787 of 9020
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Originally Posted by 96rubberduckys View Post
 

Speaking of Argerich, try this:

 

Most intense Gaspard I've ever come across, especially the scarbo

 

Yes I like this one indeed.

post #788 of 9020
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

:veryevil:

 

But that Lang Lang,He is so pretty....

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

post #789 of 9020

Oh. Regretting already to bring Lang Lang subject.

Disclaimer: I still think the Proko 3 from the mentioned CD (Rattle and BPO) is worth a try.

But it looks like it is not worth.... 

post #790 of 9020

I just have to chime in here.

Lang Lang: he can be perverse, flashy, sentimental. But he is truly electrifying in concert. He plays brilliantly and with real spirit almost as if he's making it up as he goes. I've heard him four times live now, and not once did I ever think he's anything but fantastic. In the Rachmaninoff Paganini Rhapsody, Tchaik 1st, Prokofieff 3rd and Rach 2 he played as excitingly as anyone in my experience. I think he's great.

 

Rattle: he's anything but mediocre. I don't particularly like his Mahler or Beethoven, but holy smokes, his Sibelius is brilliant. Same for PRokofieff, Stravinsky, and especially Rachmaninoff - the second symphony just smolder with Rattle. I think that the worst move he made was going to Berlin - he got a lot better response from LA and Birmingham.

 

Abbado: again, he's one heck of a great conductor - one of the best alive. He has weaknesses, like Tchaikovsky, but his Mahler is top-drawer. His early DG set was magnificent, the remakes fine. Have you heard/seen the videos from Lucerne? Breathtaking! His Mendelssohn symphony set is great. The Prokofieff he has done is first rate. His recordings of the major Stravinsky ballets is as good as anyone. I've managed to hear him live a few times. His Mahler 1 with the Vienna Phil still rings in my ears, and that was over 20 years ago!

 

Go ahead, disagree. We can just agree to disagree. No artist is perfect 100% of the time. Or even 50%. If a Yankee's batter had a 0.50 we'd be ecstatic. WHy does a pianist or conductor have to be right so much? Even Reiner, my go-to conductor, has a few stinkers in his recorded legacy.

post #791 of 9020
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Originally Posted by sh4dowd4ncer View Post
 

Oh. Regretting already to bring Lang Lang subject.

Disclaimer: I still think the Proko 3 from the mentioned CD (Rattle and BPO) is worth a try.

But it looks like it is not worth.... 

Never regret your opinions.

Sometimes re-assment may be necessary due to growth but

I believe harboring regret is unhealthy.

 

Despite what we've said Lang Lang is one of the most popular performers in the world currently.

That says something.

 

 It's entirely possible the Rattle BPO is a fine recording.

 

And to some "purists" I will here lessen my credibility some more by stating that I did enjoy

the relatively recent set of Brahms symphonies by Rattle and the BPO.

post #792 of 9020
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

Never regret your opinions.

Sometimes re-assment may be necessary due to growth but

I believe harboring regret is unhealthy.

 

Despite what we've said Lang Lang is one of the most popular performers in the world currently.

That says something.

 

 It's entirely possible the Rattle BPO is a fine recording.

 

And to some "purists" I will here lessen my credibility some more by stating that I did enjoy

the relatively recent set of Brahms symphonies by Rattle and the BPO.

Thanks for your comments.

Note: I regretted bringing the subject. Not (and never) my opinion about music or artist.

 

@mbhaubReally nice post. I agree with a lot of your comments.

post #793 of 9020
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
 

Everything I've heard by Lang Lang is played in a mediocre manner while the phrasing gets pulled around like taffy. Both Abbado and Rattle are pretty bland conductors. I don't think I'd be able to tell them apart (except by their haircuts).

I do not count the number of post where you used the word "bland" to qualify some conductors. Just give us your black list ! :D

post #794 of 9020
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

Never regret your opinions.

Sometimes re-assment may be necessary due to growth but

I believe harboring regret is unhealthy.

 

Despite what we've said Lang Lang is one of the most popular performers in the world currently.

That says something.

 

 It's entirely possible the Rattle BPO is a fine recording.

 

And to some "purists" I will here lessen my credibility some more by stating that I did enjoy

the relatively recent set of Brahms symphonies by Rattle and the BPO.

 

"And to some "purists" I will here lessen my credibility some more by stating that I did enjoy

the relatively recent set of Brahms symphonies by Rattle and the BPO."

 

Among other recordings of Rattle's I might add.

I just chose Brahms because there is a feeling in some circles that Rattle doesn't have

a substantial feeling or enthusiasm for German composers.

post #795 of 9020
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Originally Posted by mbhaub View Post

I just have to chime in here.
Lang Lang: he can be perverse, flashy, sentimental. But he is truly electrifying in concert. He plays brilliantly and with real spirit almost as if he's making it up as he goes. I've heard him four times live now, and not once did I ever think he's anything but fantastic. In the Rachmaninoff Paganini Rhapsody, Tchaik 1st, Prokofieff 3rd and Rach 2 he played as excitingly as anyone in my experience. I think he's great.

Rattle: he's anything but mediocre. I don't particularly like his Mahler or Beethoven, but holy smokes, his Sibelius is brilliant. Same for PRokofieff, Stravinsky, and especially Rachmaninoff - the second symphony just smolder with Rattle. I think that the worst move he made was going to Berlin - he got a lot better response from LA and Birmingham.

Abbado: again, he's one heck of a great conductor - one of the best alive. He has weaknesses, like Tchaikovsky, but his Mahler is top-drawer. His early DG set was magnificent, the remakes fine. Have you heard/seen the videos from Lucerne? Breathtaking! His Mendelssohn symphony set is great. The Prokofieff he has done is first rate. His recordings of the major Stravinsky ballets is as good as anyone. I've managed to hear him live a few times. His Mahler 1 with the Vienna Phil still rings in my ears, and that was over 20 years ago!

Go ahead, disagree. We can just agree to disagree. No artist is perfect 100% of the time. Or even 50%. If a Yankee's batter had a 0.50 we'd be ecstatic. WHy does a pianist or conductor have to be right so much? Even Reiner, my go-to conductor, has a few stinkers in his recorded legacy.
I agree that Abbado is one of the greatest. Some find him boring, and some of his performances could be classed as middle of the road, but he doesn't instil too much of himself into the music, he let's the music speak for itself. I disagree about his tchaikovsky - I think his 6th symphony with the Vienna Phil is amazing. Also, in addition to those staggering Lucerne performances, I feel many of his other recordings are definitive, such as his Pictures with the LSO, his Scythian Suite and Alexander Nevsky with Chicago SO and LSO respectively, his Brahms 1st with Berlin and his Mahler 7th with Chicago. All great performances that I couldn't live without.

Back to piano stuff, I have an old vinyl of the Liszt B minor sonata played by John Ogdon. That was the disc that got me into piano music and I've never heard a performance since that has satisfied me in the same way. I'm not sure you can even get hold of it now, but it really is something else.
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