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and a desert island disk for me is Dvorak's Piano Trio Op. 90 #1 "Dumky". Wonderful melodies and changes of mood

 

post #1652 of 8942

Very nice.  I remember hearing the Ax Kim Ma Trio live a very long time ago. I believe one of these Dvorak trios was on the program but can't really be sure.  This is certainly a fine recording to have.

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Neither.

Great thanks. :biggrin: Would you prefer to take anyone else's piano works? Come on... I'm sure you like someone! Debussy, Bach, Schumann, Schubert, Beethoven, Mozart, Ravel, Rachmaninov were all geniuses at tickling the ivory! Actually don't tell me. I bet its Ligeti.. Just to be different :D 

 

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I'm going to a dessert island instead and taking Schubert.

 Schubert is also my favorite composer for piano works. But I'd have to take Brendel with me as well :) 

 

:beerchug:

post #1654 of 8942
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I've got a big question for you guys :)

 

Always a hot topic! 

 

It's as simple as this.. 

 

Who was best -  Chopin or Liszt? 

 

I deeply love Chopin's music, but have recently been delving deeper into Liszt's back catalog (howard's remarkable achievement) and I'm slowly warming to this bombastic megalomaniac! Haha. Both geniuses but very different people (and composers - IMO)

 

Which one would you take to a desert island... 

 

It's difficult to decide from all of their works - However, if it is just piano concertos we're talking about, then Liszt hands down :beyersmile: - Sorry my answer is just a cop out really.

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Originally Posted by SunTanScanMan View Post
 

 

It's difficult to decide from all of their works - However, if it is just piano concertos we're talking about, then Liszt hands down :beyersmile: - Sorry my answer is just a cop out really.

Yeah I'd agree with that regarding the concerto's. I'm not a fan of Chopin's - the notes are absolute perfection as always but the orchestration is just 'there', as and when required. Liszt for me was better at writing for an orchestra than he was at composing piano works - compared to others at the time anyway. I think too much focus is put on Liszt as a pianist but he covered most genres and his choral works for e.g are quite brilliant.    

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Yeah I'd agree with that regarding the concerto's. I'm not a fan of Chopin's - the notes are absolute perfection as always but the orchestration is just 'there', as and when required. Liszt for me was better at writing for an orchestra than he was at composing piano works - compared to others at the time anyway. I think too much focus is put on Liszt as a pianist but he covered most genres and his choral works for e.g are quite brilliant.    

 

I listened to as much of Chopin, Liszt and Rachmaninov as I could find in my local library in my teens. I borrowed them and I recorded most of the cds to my cassette player. I still have boxes of those TDK cassettes but I don't have a cassette player anymore!! 

 

I don't think I've heard Howard's versions - the Liszt works I had were played by Jorge Bolet from my recollection.

 

On Liszt's orchestral vs piano works - I liked both, and comparison never came to my thoughts. I will make sure to go back and listen again. (Once I finish with the string quartets from earlier thread recommendations) I'm sure that there is a lot of the works that I didn't get to listen back then, and would be interesting how I find the music after about a decade.

 

My tastes in piano music moved to Russian composers, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky and Prokofiev etc and others like Bartok. The bigger and modern sound, among other things is more interesting to me. That's where I stopped, pretty much when I started university - really should pick it up and start my journey again.

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^^It's always good when you rediscover composers as you get older, I kind of dismissed Chopin on my journey first time round. His music seemed a little too glossy and safe when I was younger. I much preferred Beethoven and Schubert's approach at the time. But now in my middle age its like I'm hearing it for the first time. I'm really enjoying Ohlsson's complete works of Chopin. I also love Aurrau's too. In fact I love Aurrau's anything! Brilliant pianist.  

 

Debussy's piano works are a big favorite of mine. They really are in a class of their own and some of the most beautiful music ever written imo. (Bavouset's complete works comes highly recommended)

 

I need to spend more time with Bartok's piano stuff, I have them all in my archives... Time to revisit them me thinks!  

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Great thanks. :biggrin: Would you prefer to take anyone else's piano works? Come on... I'm sure you like someone! Debussy, Bach, Schumann, Schubert, Beethoven, Mozart, Ravel, Rachmaninov were all geniuses at tickling the ivory! Actually don't tell me. I bet its Ligeti.. Just to be different :D 

 

 Schubert is also my favorite composer for piano works. But I'd have to take Brendel with me as well :) 

 

:beerchug:

 

Actually Ravel is my favorite composer for piano.

Beethoven is right up there too.

In fact there is a bunch of piano music I enjoy

 

Nothing wrong with Ligeti either IMO.

 

As far as being stuck on an island with one recording, I doubt it would be piano music.

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Chopin is my favorite composer for the piano. No question about that. So much passion! I have the Leslie Howard Liszt box, but too much of it is not very good. Liszt was a busy guy. He wasn't always focused on writing stuff down and working stuff out.

Liszt's orchestral music is a tough nut to crack. I've heard the Dante Symphony performed well, but it isn't easy. The thing sprawls all over the place.
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Actually Ravel is my favorite composer for piano.

Beethoven is right up there too.

In fact there is a bunch of piano music I enjoy

 

Nothing wrong with Ligeti either IMO.

 

As far as being stuck on an island with one recording, I doubt it would be piano music.

*IF* I was forced to decide on one recording on the desert island devoid of dessert , and at the moment of decision some piano would be playing in my head,  it would "beyond the shadow of a doubt" have been CBS 61874

 

http://www.discogs.com/Daniel-Varsano-Satie-Oeuvres-Pour-Piano/release/1823761

 

I first heard it when it was new in 1979, borrowed from the Centre Culturel "Charles Nodier"  in my hometown - and it sparked a lasting interest in Satie as a composer as well as Varsano as a pianist - and have been hunting this down ever since, for over a decade, finally getting it in 1990 in Munich, Germany, on sale for DEM 3,99 ( $ 1.99 ) It is the only catalog number of any recording I know from my heart - I have been ordering it at any store imaginable and "it never came". French CBS ( or Philips, or DGG, or Decca ) was tough to get outside France - yet they are normally a cut above the rest - in everything.

 

Satie is predominantely a piano composer  - yet his favourite work of mine is a - mass ; he only wrote one single mass, dedicated to the most easily overlooked - 

to the poor:

 

 

I chuckled when I saw WHO is playing organ in this recording

http://www.discogs.com/Erik-Satie-Socrate-Symphonic-Drama-Mass-For-The-Poor-Messe-Des-Pauvres-Piano-Pieces-By-Francis-Poule/release/4465037

 

I have this on vinyl :

 

 

 

 

 Listening to both versions regarding SQ should give you an idea why I think SQ is important - particularly in less familiar works, let alone so "outlandish" as Satie's Mass For The Poor ...

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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

Chopin is my favorite composer for the piano. No question about that. So much passion! I have the Leslie Howard Liszt box, but too much of it is not very good. Liszt was a busy guy. He wasn't always focused on writing stuff down and working stuff out.

Liszt's orchestral music is a tough nut to crack. I've heard the Dante Symphony performed well, but it isn't easy. The thing sprawls all over the place.

Liszt's orchestral music is really a "main course" -  not an appetizer or dessert.  Similar can be said of his choral works 

 

http://www.talkclassical.com/17253-liszt-choral-works.html

 

Ferenc Liszt's non piano oeuvre is very well represented on Hungaroton vinyl : just the current listings 

 

http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=SLPX%2011604%20HUNGAROTON%20LISZT%20CHORAL%20WORKS%20VOL%20IV&_itemId=360614089881

post #1662 of 8942

So with all this recent discussions, I had a quick search on qobuz and found the Liszt CDs I had listened to all those years ago. Listened to Hungarian Rhapsody no. 12 as well as Piano concerto no.1 and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. My audio gear is light years ahead of what I had back then lol, but the improved sq is just a bonus - think I would still enjoy the music if I were to listen again with my philips mono cassette player :beyersmile:

 

Btw, any EU/ UK thread members who listen to music on their PC - Qobuz streams FLAC (16/44.1) and it seems to have a very decent classical library. A little more expensive than spotify premium. Higher resolution FLAC you need to buy on top of the monthly sub fee.

 

I signed up for a free month trial. As yet can't discern any difference from 320kps spotify and Flac stream on Qobuz - but will give it a month to see how it fares.  

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I rather enjoy Liszt's transcriptions of the LvB symphonies, which is surprising to me, as most Liszt hasn't done much for me, and generally transcriptions are a huge turn-off for me… especially transcriptions like those, that reduce the scale of the piece. 

 

That said, if I were taking one of the two to the desert, I'd prefer Chopin. If my choices opened up further, it'd be a tough pick between Chopin, Ravel, & Beethoven. Satie's Gnossiennes are among my favorite pieces for piano solo, but… there's a lot of filler in Satie's catalog, so I don't think I could go that route. 

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Satie is my all time least favorite composer of all time. When I hear his music, I think of television commercials for feminine hygiene sprays. He has got to be the laziest composer whose work has survived through the years.

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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

Satie is my all time least favorite composer of all time. When I hear his music, I think of television commercials for feminine hygiene sprays. He has got to be the laziest composer whose work has survived through the years.

I thought Satie was OK till everyone else started liking him in the past couple of years. cool.gif

My favorite piano [sic] music is Bach. Of the Romantics, Schubert. Of Chopin and Liszt, Chopin. And you know what Chopin's favorite piano music was? Bach. So we come full circle.
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