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post #1321 of 1724
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He didn't stick around to hear Boulez and Dorati though! ;)

 Boulez and Stravinsky had a rather complex relationship.

The Threni premier comes to mind.

 

Boulez also rebelled against Stravinsky's neoclassical works and went on to perform some of them(particularly the Symphony in 3 movements) regularly.

Also Stravinsky was fond of Boulez' music.

post #1322 of 1724
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

 Boulez and Stravinsky had a rather complex relationship.

The Threni premier comes to mind.

 

Boulez also rebelled against Stravinsky's neoclassical works and went on to perform some of them(particularly the Symphony in 3 movements) regularly.

Also Stravinsky was fond of Boulez' music.

 

Sorry, a little off topic.

post #1323 of 1724
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

 Boulez and Stravinsky had a rather complex relationship.

The Threni premier comes to mind.

 

Boulez also rebelled against Stravinsky's neoclassical works and went on to perform some of them(particularly the Symphony in 3 movements) regularly.

Also Stravinsky was fond of Boulez' music.

 

Sorry, a little off topic.

No, thank you for the info.  Do you know whether Stravinsky ever heard Boulez perform his works?  Did he approve?

post #1324 of 1724
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Sorry, a little off topic.

I don't think the topic is so strictly maintained: this isn't the old deals forum. tongue_smile.gif
post #1325 of 1724
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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post
 

No, thank you for the info.  Do you know whether Stravinsky ever heard Boulez perform his works?  Did he approve?

 

I remember reading in Robert Craft's books (years ago) that Stravinsky did hear Boulez conduct his work and had a

love/hate relationship regarding Boulez. I can't remember the specifics though. I would recommend reading the Wikipedia article on Threni as it illustrates some interesting points which are relevant to the topic.I found it quite entertaining as well...

post #1326 of 1724
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I don't think the topic is so strictly maintained: this isn't the old deals forum. tongue_smile.gif

Lol...

post #1327 of 1724
Just listened 2 hours of Dorati last night (4 times).
Really impressive. Quite intense but in a certain manner less aggressive than Bernstein.
Will give Boulez a try as well...
post #1328 of 1724

here is a great example of Hollywood histrionics (LOL) that worked for me

 

Metha has recorded the Rite of Springs a few times, but this recording with Los Angeles Phil is absolutely off-the-cuff wild. If you can find a good LP pressing of it (the CD sounds slightly tamer) you'll be floored. 

 

Slight OT, but I can't resist posting a link to Pina Bausch/Wuppertal Dance Theater performance  which is IMO the best choreography ever made for this ballet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUfj3vGo4n4

Watch (and hear!) the physicality of the dancing around 4:00 and the high drama of the selection of the "chosen" around 24:00. 

post #1329 of 1724
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Originally Posted by calaf View Post

here is a great example of Hollywood histrionics (LOL) that worked for me



Metha has recorded the Rite of Springs a few times, but this recording with Los Angeles Phil is absolutely off-the-cuff wild. If you can find a good LP pressing of it (the CD sounds slightly tamer) you'll be floored. 

Slight OT, but I can't resist posting a link to Pina Bausch/Wuppertal Dance Theater performance  which is IMO the best choreography ever made for this ballet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUfj3vGo4n4
Watch (and hear!) the physicality of the dancing around 4:00 and the high drama of the selection of the "chosen" around 24:00. 
Thanks for this, I love Mehta. I've never seen the Rite choreographed either!
post #1330 of 1724

Here's one for the Boulez haters:

 

 

This piece is the epitome of why some folks don't like Boulez IMO.

Often cited as on of the most important pieces of it's era however.

post #1331 of 1724

I've been reading all of these comments of Rite of Spring and having a lot of fun doing it. There are so many issues with RIte that no one has even addressed. Such as: which version are you talking about? Stravinsky was tinkering with the score almost until he died. Some of it for copyright protection, some for cleaner sound, some to make the once-difficult rhythms easier to read. The early Bernstein is still my favorite for the electricity, but it's not the final edition of the score sanctioned by Stravinsky. I also know how Stravinsky wanted the opening bassoon solo played - I studied with the guy who played it on the Stravinsky recording. He should know, and be assured that many of the recordings out there do not do what the composer wrote or asked for. But does that mean it's no good? Not at all. All music is subject to interpretation once it leaves the composer's hand and performance standards change. If everyone did it the exact same way, why bother redoing it at all? I love the Rite no matter who's doing it - frankly, there isn't a bad recording out there. Some are more energetic, some more softened. Some (Boulez) get razor sharp precision, some (Stravinsky, Mehta) less so, but at no loss of thrills. All the hair-splitting about which is the best is pointless I suppose. But there's one issue that matters a lot more to me: how does it SOUND? How big of a sonic impact does it make? Do I feel the bass drum? For that, I go to Maazel on Telarc. Temirkanov on RCA. Turn the volume way up, sit back and be blown away! Shallow? Perhaps, but that's what brought me to this site in the first place: I want great sound.

post #1332 of 1724
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Originally Posted by mbhaub View Post
 

I've been reading all of these comments of Rite of Spring and having a lot of fun doing it. There are so many issues with RIte that no one has even addressed. Such as: which version are you talking about? Stravinsky was tinkering with the score almost until he died. Some of it for copyright protection, some for cleaner sound, some to make the once-difficult rhythms easier to read. The early Bernstein is still my favorite for the electricity, but it's not the final edition of the score sanctioned by Stravinsky. I also know how Stravinsky wanted the opening bassoon solo played - I studied with the guy who played it on the Stravinsky recording. He should know, and be assured that many of the recordings out there do not do what the composer wrote or asked for. But does that mean it's no good? Not at all. All music is subject to interpretation once it leaves the composer's hand and performance standards change. If everyone did it the exact same way, why bother redoing it at all? I love the Rite no matter who's doing it - frankly, there isn't a bad recording out there. Some are more energetic, some more softened. Some (Boulez) get razor sharp precision, some (Stravinsky, Mehta) less so, but at no loss of thrills. All the hair-splitting about which is the best is pointless I suppose. But there's one issue that matters a lot more to me: how does it SOUND? How big of a sonic impact does it make? Do I feel the bass drum? For that, I go to Maazel on Telarc. Temirkanov on RCA. Turn the volume way up, sit back and be blown away! Shallow? Perhaps, but that's what brought me to this site in the first place: I want great sound.

 

Good points!

post #1333 of 1724

Very interesting bit on Stravinsky:

 

https://archive.org/details/AM_1971_04_07

 

Broadcast the day after his death.

post #1334 of 1724

Stravinsky conducting Firebird Suite back in the day:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhqPOJMFBWc

post #1335 of 1724

 

Love it or hate it..I love it:D

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