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Obviously you're wrong :veryevil:.

 

Sorry, the effect of the influence of Beethoven's music on those composer's after him is easily observable historically.

Shostakovich?

 

We'll give it 150 years or so and then see...

 

Yeah, I think that in terms of influence Beethoven is in a class by himself (compared to anyone), but I suppose Bach, Mozart and Wagner (and even Shostakovich) come somewhat close :p.

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I'm not denying Beethoven's influence on music after him, I'm talking about how I hear his music compared to Shostakovich's. When I say I feel that Shostakovich's music is more visionary, I don't necessarily mean it has greater foresight. I mean it sounds more visionary in its aesthetic. Shostakovich uses a broader palette than Beethoven did. His works are more varied and IMO more dramatic and vivid on the ears. Of course, being more modern, his harmonic language and instrumentation is more complex, yet he manages to maintain a distinctive and recognisable voice in the just the way Beethoven did.

Shostakovich's influence can be heard far and wide too, with much film music being directly derivative of his sound and techniques.

Shostakovich pictured the human condition of the time through his music in a way so visionary that few have come close to matching. Shostakovich's output is like a history lesson without words and the bleakness and horror portrayed in works like the 8th symphony have few comparisons with any other composer. I think you underestimate the importance of good old Dmitri!

 

" I think you underestimate the importance of good old Dmitri!"

 

I doubt it.

 

Despite that I occasionally enjoy his music.

His violin concerto is one of my favorite pieces in fact.

The Eighth symphony(among others) is also quite powerful of course.

 

One of the great distinguishing features of Beethoven was he continued to write what he wanted despite anyone's opinion.Indeed public opinion was against his compositional work. I do think he did make a mistake in omitting the Grosse Fuge from the opus 130 due to publishing pressures however.

 

Shostakovich more than once betrayed his own vision to placate the Soviet authorities.

Of course if he hadn't he could have been erased from history altogether though...

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Originally Posted by jackskelly View Post
 

 

Yeah, I think that in terms of influence Beethoven is in a class by himself (compared to anyone), but I suppose Bach, Mozart and Wagner (and even Shostakovich) come somewhat close :p.

 

Bach, Mozart and Wagner yes.

Shostakovich....

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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post


I'm not denying Beethoven's influence on music after him, I'm talking about how I hear his music compared to Shostakovich's. When I say I feel that Shostakovich's music is more visionary, I don't necessarily mean it has greater foresight. I mean it sounds more visionary in its aesthetic. Shostakovich uses a broader palette than Beethoven did. His works are more varied and IMO more dramatic and vivid on the ears. Of course, being more modern, his harmonic language and instrumentation is more complex, yet he manages to maintain a distinctive and recognisable voice in the just the way Beethoven did.

Shostakovich's influence can be heard far and wide too, with much film music being directly derivative of his sound and techniques.

Shostakovich pictured the human condition of the time through his music in a way so visionary that few have come close to matching. Shostakovich's output is like a history lesson without words and the bleakness and horror portrayed in works like the 8th symphony have few comparisons with any other composer. I think you underestimate the importance of good old Dmitri!

 

" I think you underestimate the importance of good old Dmitri!"

 

I doubt it.

 

Despite that I occasionally enjoy his music.

His violin concerto is one of my favorite pieces in fact.

The Eighth symphony(among others) is also quite powerful of course.

 

One of the great distinguishing features of Beethoven was he continued to write what he wanted despite anyone's opinion.Indeed public opinion was against his compositional work. I do think he did make a mistake in omitting the Grosse Fuge from the opus 130 due to publishing pressures however.

 

Shostakovich more than once betrayed his own vision to placate the Soviet authorities.

Of course if he hadn't he could have been erased from history altogether though...

I think if there was ever an example of a composer writing what they wanted against the odds, it was Mahler.  Now, there's a visionary composer.  Mahler was also one of the biggest influences on Shostakovich's sound.  Despite the pressure from the authorities though, Shostakovich still found ways to say what he wanted to say and that was his strength too.

 

Which violin concerto is one of your favourites?  The 1st?  In that case, right back on topic with this record!

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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post
 

I think if there was ever an example of a composer writing what they wanted against the odds, it was Mahler.  Now, there's a visionary composer.  Mahler was also one of the biggest influences on Shostakovich's sound.  Despite the pressure from the authorities though, Shostakovich still found ways to say what he wanted to say and that was his strength too.

 

Which violin concerto is one of your favourites?  The 1st?  In that case, right back on topic with this record!

 

Yes,awesome record.

Sorry, this is "the" violin concerto by Shostakovich IMO.

 

Spot on with Mahler too IMO.

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To when?

 

Vienna.

May 1st [1786]

 

Dearest Father,

 

I am going to the Burg tonight [. . .]

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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post
 

 

Vienna.

May 1st [1786]

 

Dearest Father,

 

I am going to the Burg tonight [. . .]

 

Figaro premier eh??

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Figaro premier eh??

 

And all the others in Europe for 45 years after (reasonable lifespan).

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Bringing back the thread subject, I have been listening recently a lot Stravinsky's Rite of the Spring.
What are your opinions about it?
I have one record of this piece that I really enjoy,
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I consider myself a Leonard Bernstein fan, but I really disliked his Sacre recording, it sounds off :blink:

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I consider myself a Leonard Bernstein fan, but I really disliked his Sacre recording, it sounds off blink.gif
I quite enjoy the Bernstein reading, but my favourites are Ancerl/Czech Phil, Boulez/Cleveland and Dorati/Detroit SO.
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I quite enjoy the Bernstein reading, but my favourites are Ancerl/Czech Phil, Boulez/Cleveland and Dorati/Detroit SO.

I never listened to Boulez/Cleveland but it comes quite often when the Stravinsky's Rite subject comes to the table....
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post

I consider myself a Leonard Bernstein fan, but I really disliked his Sacre recording, it sounds off blink.gif

And, in your opinion, who sounds on? smily_headphones1.gif
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I never listened to Boulez/Cleveland but it comes quite often when the Stravinsky's Rite subject comes to the table....

 

LIsten to the Boulez/Cleveland.

It's amazing.

The performance is as good as any and the sonics are incomparable IMO.

 

The Bernstein version has a bit of storied reputation.

Some of the reputation is based on Stravinsky's own comments about it

which were "Wow!".

 

Of course there are many ways to interpret "Wow!" but....

 

In all seriousness listen to the Boulez/Cleveland.

I even know several Boulez haters who were blown away by it.

post #1290 of 8942
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I quite enjoy the Bernstein reading, but my favourites are Ancerl/Czech Phil, Boulez/Cleveland and Dorati/Detroit SO.

 

All good IMO.

 

Nice to see Ancerl and the Czech Phil. mentioned.

The CZ Phil is a personal favorite orchestra for me in general.

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