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post #1111 of 1997

bigshot, I do wonder though whether knowledge of how the Nordic landscape and the Kalevala were sources of inspiration are absolutely necessary to having an appreciation of the works. Of course once you know the title of a piece is, say, Night Ride and Sunrise or know what the Oceanides are then it becomes an aspect that's hard to overlook. But I'd have thought something like the fifth symphony can appeal very directly musically and emotionally? Of course I can see that a sympathetic performance can make a huge difference and I understand Kajanus' recordings gave a handle for you to get into Sibelius' music where other conducters didn't; which is great. My first exposure to Sibelius was in fantabulous electronically created stereo :D and through a radiogram; maybe I have Anthony Collins to thank for not being totally put off :blink:

 

perhapss, "Buckets of nervous energy" funny? I can see that. It was meant to be very informal and I suppose on another day I might have put a smiley next to it 

post #1112 of 1997
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Originally Posted by chrisjackson View Post
 

What's this? Competition with bigshot for "platitude of the day"   :wink_face: :wink_face: (that's one each; such a shame head-fi doesn't offer blown kisses...:D).

Kajanus was a lifelong friend of Sibelius (OK with the odd rocky patch) and a champion of his music and clearly someone whom he had influence over. Not sure how "definitive" translates into Finnish but as I understand it I don't think that Sibelius would ever have described any performance of his friend as "definitive" let alone referred to him as "the definitive conductor" of his music. Then again he might have said all sorts of things to discourage support for conductors whose performances he did not rate at all at the time.

 

As I've stated previously, I do in fact enjoy the other Sibelius' recordings mentioned in this thread recently.

And I don't claim to have the key to the definitive performances of them.

 

I do however find it interesting when I hear the opinions of composers on the conductors who interpret their music.

For example earlier in the thread I posted a quote from Richard Strauss on his affinity with George Szell.

 

Here's a quote from Sibelius regarding Kajanus:

 

“There are none who have gone deeper and given [my symphonies] more feeling and beauty than Robert Kajanus”.

 

This is obviously an English translation so I can't say how faithful it is to the original having no skill at the Finnish language.

Just saying...

post #1113 of 1997

For me it all boils down to, how does it sound (translates to how do I connect)

 

the rest is blabla :D

 

(which can be interesting, but still..)

 

anyways..any Cesar Franck fans? I love it..

 


Edited by Quinto - 12/19/13 at 1:11pm
post #1114 of 1997
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post
 

For me it all boils down to, how does it sound (translates to how do I connect)

 

the rest is blabla :D

 

(which can be interesting, but still..)

 

anyways..any Cesar Franck fans? I love it..

 

 

 

Faust's playing is relatively new to my ears but very interestng.

Out of curiosity have you heard her new recording of Bartok's violin concerto?

 

I've read a few positive reviews and will probably get it soon but I don't know anyone personally

who's heard it.

post #1115 of 1997

perhapss, I am familiar with Sibelius' statement of approbation on Kajanus. I guess I've never been happy with the choice of the word "definitive" in this context since it can so easily be (mis)interpreted as meaning "the one authority" "the final word" etc etc. No big deal. FWIW I'm given to understand that the correct translation into Finnish for this term is "blabla"  :biggrin:

post #1116 of 1997
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Originally Posted by chrisjackson View Post
 

perhapss, I am familiar with Sibelius' statement of approbation on Kajanus. I guess I've never been happy with the choice of the word "definitive" in this context since it can so easily be (mis)interpreted as meaning "the one authority" "the final word" etc etc. No big deal. FWIW I'm given to understand that the correct translation into Finnish for this term is "blabla"  :biggrin:

 

I never used/use the word definitive and I'm not making personal commentary about others in this thread

(well, maybe Lang Lang).

 

The word "best" is in the thread title so a little blabla might be required to define why

we enjoy a recording and post it here.

 

I for one would like some more informed commentary on several of the recordings I've posted...

post #1117 of 1997
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

 

I never used/use the word definitive and I'm not making personal commentary about others in this thread

(well, maybe Lang Lang).

 

The word "best" is in the thread title so a little blabla might be required to define why

we enjoy a recording and post it here.

 

I for one would like some more informed commentary on several of the recordings I've posted...


Sorry, no offence intended mate :beerchug:

post #1118 of 1997
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

 

 

Faust's playing is relatively new to my ears but very interestng.

Out of curiosity have you heard her new recording of Bartok's violin concerto?

 

I've read a few positive reviews and will probably get it soon but I don't know anyone personally

who's heard it.


I like her Beethoven sonatas with Melnikov..Het Bartok is on my -very long- wishlist..I already own several but I think she is an interesting violist.. Her Bach is pretty cool

post #1119 of 1997
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post
 


I like her Beethoven sonatas with Melnikov..Het Bartok is on my -very long- wishlist..I already own several but I think she is an interesting violist.. Her Bach is pretty cool

Isabelle Faust is very well known and regarded in UK. As well as those recordings, this recording of the Berg last year won many plaudits :
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Harmonia%2BMundi/HMC902105
which I just might have another listen to it when finished posting this.

Haven't heard the Bartok concertos recording as promoted here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NGxZQcOeK4
but seems to be similarly well received. Wish I could work out who Daniel Harding reminds me of in those specs...

post #1120 of 1997
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post
 


Sorry, no offence intended mate :beerchug:

 

No problem.

post #1121 of 1997

 

 

This recording is highly regarded in UK and apparently has never been deleted from the EMI catalogue.

 

It was recorded in Abbey Road studios in January 1967. The Beatles were recording an album in the studios at the same time and a young and accommodating Revenaugh (better known as a pianist than conductor) agreed to help them out dealing with the orchestra. Can listen in here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMVLBzseJgY  

post #1122 of 1997

Carl Orff: Carmina Burana comes to mind

post #1123 of 1997

 

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Others?

post #1124 of 1997

 

Anyone familiar with the strange controversy regarding the "Prague" live performance?

Curious to know if it's true...

post #1125 of 1997
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
 

A lot of people say that Sibelius's music doesn't sound much like fjords and dark forests. 

 

There are very few fjords in Finland. Lakes, yes, fjords, no.

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