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post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

In my curiosity to find the differences in SS amps to pair with the HE-6, I am finding the higher priced gear does a better job at bringing every bit of the signal to your headphones. Then I go back to my references and find them lacking in some resolution. We say the "peeling away" of that sonic film gets us closer to the music.
What is the cause of this film?
Many have said that an amp is an amp and all things equal will sound the same. Same with DACs.
I don't agree with this as I'm finding I can hear much more information with better gear. So what is the area of circuit interest to improve resolution output to the headphones?
And yes, I know it's the sum of all parts but some parts are more critical than others.

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Edited by Sandman65 - 9/6/12 at 3:45pm
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

what measurement determines which piece of gear presents the feel of a live performance and another not?

 

Why does that even matter? Isn't the real problem with the "many pieces of crap components" that the manufacturers more or less ignore the signal/measurements?

post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post


what measurement determines which piece of gear presents the feel of a live performance and another not?

 

Harmonics, Attack/decay rates, and frequency response all contribute. 

 

But speaker placement (and design + and crossfeed for headphones), room treatment, and the type and quality of the recording and master matter much more than anything your amplifier or A/D/A can do. If they are processing the signal without screwing with it - the choice of amplifier shouldn't matter to this at all.

post #19 of 23

Asking what gear is best suited to convey the feeling of a live performance is like asking what camera takes the best pictures of the ocean. Obviously, accuracy is what makes for the best sound or image of anything. Flat response, low noise floor, low distortion, accurate dynamics make for good sound.

post #20 of 23
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I don't agree with this as I'm finding I can hear much more information with better gear.

 

Which gear is that? Do you mean gear that measures better, or gear that costs more? Or are you saying that you can hear varying amounts of information and the gear that passes more information is better? Which gear is that, gear that measures better or gear that costs more, or is it independent of cost or measurements (specifications) and which gear is it, specifically? Could you preferably provide a list, ranked from worse to better?

 

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post #21 of 23
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The samples I refer to are the three Sim Moon Integrated amps that was sampled while doing an amp listening event. The store was gracious enough to let preproman and I bring in our HE-6 and audition several amps of price and model. The first were 50ish w amps from different vendors and at a different price. Then we listened to a tube amp in a little higher price point. Each step up the power and price points, you could hear more information being presented in the material.
post #22 of 23
I would strongly recommend against doing any listening tests at retail shops. I have had salesmen secretly change the tone and gain settings in the middle of my own listening tests.

I caught a salesman in a high end audio store in west LA stand with his hands behind his back in front of the equipment rack reaching behind him to turn up the bass. I immediately called him on it and told him that if he was going to change settings like that, it would take me all day in their listening room to figure out what I wanted. He gave me a dirty look and without saying a word walked away and "helped" someone else in the store. Needless to say, that ass didn't get the commission from my sale. I bought my speakers somewhere else.
Edited by bigshot - 9/8/12 at 11:27am
post #23 of 23
Could you please state the exact procedure used to rank the gear. What measures were taken to ensure that the assessment was fair? How did you ensure that amplifiers being compared were always run at the same volume level, e.g. dB meter, that you had no knowledge of which equipment was being evaluated and that no time elapsed between listening sessions, since these are all known to influence results, regardless of any commitment to unbiassed reporting on the part of the listener?
 
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