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Thanks. Just ordered it. It was too awesome to not order it.

 

With TI/BB raising PCM1704UK pricing, I can see a future iteration of the Master 7 surviving at $3K.

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Thanks. Just ordered it. It was too awesome to not order it.

 

With TI/BB raising PCM1704UK pricing, I can see a future iteration of the Master 7 surviving at $3K.

 

Did you order the M7 or the NOS?

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M7. Not a big fan of the NOS sound. 

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M7. Not a big fan of the NOS sound. 

Wow thought you weren't a fan? You're deciding to stick with it?
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Wow thought you weren't a fan? You're deciding to stick with it?

 

He said he wasn't a fan of the built-in USB input.

 

From his comments, I understood he likes it as much as his PWD1-2 (as a side grade).

Their different approach to sound reproduction make them quite complimentary.

 

That was prep's setups not too long ago, too.

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Maybe I am in the minority but I don't hear much difference between the USB input vs the other non I2S inputs. I am running the newest firmware, #7 with ASIO. Before the newest firmware I thought the other inputs were slightly better but back then I couldn't use ASIO.
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Maybe I am in the minority but I don't hear much difference between the USB input vs the other non I2S inputs. I am running the newest firmware, #7 with ASIO. Before the newest firmware I thought the other inputs were slightly better but back then I couldn't use ASIO.

 

Would it be the quality of source being the bottleneck?

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Maybe I am in the minority but I don't hear much difference between the USB input vs the other non I2S inputs. I am running the newest firmware, #7 with ASIO. Before the newest firmware I thought the other inputs were slightly better but back then I couldn't use ASIO.

 

Originally Posted by ManAtWork View Post
 

Would it be the quality of source being the bottleneck?

 

Yes, quality or appropriate matching of the source transport matters just as much as if not more than the data transmission protocol (USB, i2s, coax, optical, AES, etc.)

 

 

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Wow thought you weren't a fan? You're deciding to stick with it?

 

See this post where I compared the M7 to my current reference according to various inputs (I've seen updated the comments):

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/625793/audio-gd-master-7-discrete-fully-balanced-dac-pcm1704/750#post_9779134

 

I would still consider the Master 7 with internal USB to be a very good DAC. Just not good enough, that is not better than my current reference. In some ways, I don't even think it's fair to say that because I generally feel that USB sucks. The PWD2 DAC just happened to be one of the few (or the one) DAC which actually had a decent USB implementation, i.e. several professional reviewers and myself have noted that many external USB transports didn't really do anything for the PWD2. The only USB transport that did was the OR5.


Edited by purrin - 9/9/13 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by Kingwa View Post
 

The price of the PCM1704 chips is the point.

Before TI  advice the new customers don't applied the PCM1704 chips, we know they want to discontinued the chips and price must increase.

So we have the stock on old price.

Now the new price is unacceptable.

 

 

I wonder if Kingwa will read this...

 

¿Is there another DAC chip, that you might use to replace PCM1704 for your high end DACs?

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I'll consider the Off Ramp then.  The stock form looks good enough since I will be using I2S only.  

 

Purrin, how long is your I2S cable?  I don't see a option on Emprical Audio's website for a I2S regulator upgrade.  Is is special request?


Edited by ciphercomplete - 9/9/13 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

Thanks. Just ordered it. It was too awesome to not order it.

 

With TI/BB raising PCM1704UK pricing, I can see a future iteration of the Master 7 surviving at $3K.

 

Its just terrible though.  I remember when Kingwa's top dac with eight of those chips sold for less than a grand.

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I'll consider the Off Ramp then.  The stock form looks good enough since I will be using I2S only.  

 

Purrin, how long is your I2S cable?

 

I just got the regulator upgrade for the i2s connection. I actually have another OR5 in my possession with the $700 hyperclocks. Talking 0.5% more precise sound and 0.5% less tonal fullness. More of a side-grade really.

 

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Its just terrible though.  I remember when Kingwa's top dac with eight of those chips sold for less than a grand.

 

Just priced the chips at Digikey. $75 bucks each now. I think they used to cost $23. Multiplied by 8, that's a serious difference in materials cost.  Also, the original Ref 1 didn't have the DSP, and the earlier revisions I've heard didn't have nearly the resolution and taut bass of the M7 - they sounded a bit "soft" for my tastes.


Edited by purrin - 9/9/13 at 9:54am
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I just got the regulator upgrade for the i2s connection. 

 

Is it a extra $250 like the same upgrade for the spdif outputs?

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Yeah, something like that. The upgrades are separate and I never got the regular upgrade to the SPDIF because my intention was always to use the i2s.

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And if you look at the site, it says the regulator upgrade is for the HDMI output not just general i2s. So now that Purrin has convinced me that I have to have a OR5, I wasn't going to get any hynes regulators, since I would be using the standard i2s output and not the HDMI, so I wouldn't benefit from the HDMI Hynes regulator right?

 

I was thinking of getting the Turboclocks, but now after purrin says they are more of a side grade I probably won't do that either. Though I do listen mostly to metal and you said that's where the biggest benefit would be...

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