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post #706 of 1921
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post

I just feel that's overkill for your setup. The difference between the M7/M10 and the NFB-27/SA-300 is close to zero IMO (both are ultra high fidelity), but the difference between your Vizio (I own Vizio's) and that Panasonic I mentioned would be much more noticed. Awesome sound, awesome picture or awesome sound, decent picture as I see it.

 

Just wondering.. have you heard both combo's? or is this based on specs? the reason why I ask this is because on paper, speaker cables do not make any difference as well.. but to me it made a good differece. Hope you are not offended, just wondering if you had heard both combo's.. If you did, I'd definately go the route you suggested and pick up a better T.V! Thanks again!
post #707 of 1921

wow... just went through half the thread just now. So glad I picked up the Exactpower EP15A power conditioner the other day..

 

About 99% in making the purchase for the M7+M10 combo. Now I'm also thinking about buying a used IPAD to play music in DSD format.

 

By end of all this, ill prabably be heavy into music and end up being 80% music and 20% movies guy biggrin.gif


Edited by SearchOfSub - 8/30/13 at 1:56am
post #708 of 1921
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Originally Posted by ManAtWork View Post

 

Welcome to the world of head-fi, the heaven where you can empty all your pockets. wink_face.gif

 

In Audio GD forum which in Chinese, some M7 users stated that using I2S connected with CAS can easily defeat a US$5000 class ARC Reference CD7 if the hi-rec music quality is good enough. Kingwa also told us that the I2S in USB Asyn mode sounds better than the SPDIF in his M7 under side by side comparison.

 

I found out what I2S is, but I still have no idea what CAS is. What is a USB Asyn mode? If I were to go this route, what cables/ and from which M7 input to my sony bluray player would have to be used for this to work?

 

Sorry for the newb questions.


Edited by SearchOfSub - 8/30/13 at 2:32am
post #709 of 1921
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wow... just went through half the thread just now. So glad I picked up the Exactpower EP15A power conditioner the other day..

 

About 99% in making the purchase for the M7+M10 combo. Now I'm also thinking about buying a used IPAD to play music in DSD format.

 

By end of all this, ill prabably be heavy into music and end up being 80% music and 20% movies guy biggrin.gif

M7 cannot handle DSD

post #710 of 1921
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

 

I found out what I2S is, but I still have no idea what CAS is. What is a USB Asyn mode? If I were to go this route, what cables/ and from which M7 input to my sony bluray player would have to be used for this to work?

 

Sorry for the newb questions.

 

1) I2S requires a USB to I2S converter if using PC based playback. Then a I2S cable to use as input for the M7. Apparently a lot prefer this. 

 

2) USB Asyn - usb asynchronous mode. Fancy way of saying there is an external clock near the external DAC to control data extracted from PC rather than the untrustworthy PC doing all the USB data streaming to whichever DAC you are using via USB input. Not really explaining it very well but look here: http://www.audiophilleo.com/definitions.aspx?asynchronous%20USB. Or wait for someone more competent to reply. All you need is a usb cable going from PC to DAC.

 

3) CAS I can only assume from playing with virtual machines, and hyper-v is that CAS is a Windows based server? Some guys/gals have audio on a server or separate media PC or HTPC  and stream directly to the DAC. You can control this server for your main PC. This way you can have a noisy gaming machine and listen to Audio/movies off a quiet (possibly silent) machine on the side. Or CAS could simply mean "computer as source"? You will have to wait for ManAtWork to come home.

post #711 of 1921
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M7 cannot handle DSD

M7 can handle DSD only if it is converted to PCM beforehand. But yes technically, it cannot. Some blu ray players output SACD material as PCM via HDMI outputs.

post #712 of 1921
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wow... just went through half the thread just now. So glad I picked up the Exactpower EP15A power conditioner the other day..

About 99% in making the purchase for the M7+M10 combo. Now I'm also thinking about buying a used IPAD to play music in DSD format.

By end of all this, ill prabably be heavy into music and end up being 80% music and 20% movies guy biggrin.gif
What music player app can be downloaded to iPad to play DSD? I even have problem getting my iPad mini to play high rez PCM! M7 sure cant do DSD as mentioned. On top of that, it is not so straight forward to use iPad as the digital source and furthermore, the limited storage of iPad will also make it tough to store many high Rez files. Do you know what you are getting into and 99% sure of buying both M7 and M10?
Edited by froger - 8/30/13 at 4:11am
post #713 of 1921
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

 

Just wondering.. have you heard both combo's? or is this based on specs? the reason why I ask this is because on paper, speaker cables do not make any difference as well.. but to me it made a good differece. Hope you are not offended, just wondering if you had heard both combo's.. If you did, I'd definately go the route you suggested and pick up a better T.V! Thanks again!

I've had various AGD DAC's from low to high (Ref-1, Ref-8, NFB10SE, NFB12, NFB15) and the differences are very subtle used as DAC's (amps are another story). If you are hearing differences in wire, then I'll leave it to you on whether you can hear differences between DAC chips implemented nearly the same (as the NFB-27 and Master 7 are). However, there is no subtle difference in black level (and overall picture quality as a result) between a Vizio E series and the VT Panasonic.

In any case, you can't beat AGD for value- good luck!

post #714 of 1921
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post

I've had various AGD DAC's from low to high (Ref-1, Ref-8, NFB10SE, NFB12, NFB15) and the differences are very subtle used as DAC's (amps are another story). If you are hearing differences in wire, then I'll leave it to you on whether you can hear differences between DAC chips implemented nearly the same (as the NFB-27 and Master 7 are). However, there is no subtle difference in black level (and overall picture quality as a result) between a Vizio E series and the VT Panasonic.

In any case, you can't beat AGD for value- good luck!

The differences of NFB-12, NFB-3 & NFB-10SE as dacs were subtle for me also.

However the SA-1 dac was much different from the rest, no way I can use the word subtle for it.

post #715 of 1921
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What music player app can be downloaded to iPad to play DSD? I even have problem getting my iPad mini to play high rez PCM! M7 sure cant do DSD as mentioned. On top of that, it is not so straight forward to use iPad as the digital source and furthermore, the limited storage of iPad will also make it tough to store many high Rez files. Do you know what you are getting into and 99% sure of buying both M7 and M10?

 

 

I was thinking of getting a tablet to play hi-rez music. Are ther any tablets out there today that can handle SACD/DSD formats? Was thinking of using the USB connection from the M7 to the tablet to handle music files. I just thought using a tablet would be much more convineient.

 

I am pretty much coming from a HTIB speakers (energy 5.1) with a Pio 7.1 AVR. What made the jump for me was I recently heard the Wilson MAXX III with a classe seperates and was blown away by the sound. Obviously the wilson's and classe' are wayyyy over my budget so I went into searchng for the best bang for the buck speakers and sepeartes. Then I came upon the Tekton Pendragon SEAS which is reported to replicate or be close in the league with the Wilsons and bought those. Then upon further research to find the best bang for the buck seperates, I came upon the Audio G-D seperates. 

 

Now i am plannig to get into hi-rez music. The wilsons and classe set-up blew me away so much that I think dedicated 2.0 listening for all movies and music is more enjoyable..


Edited by SearchOfSub - 8/30/13 at 2:29pm
post #716 of 1921
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post

I've had various AGD DAC's from low to high (Ref-1, Ref-8, NFB10SE, NFB12, NFB15) and the differences are very subtle used as DAC's (amps are another story). If you are hearing differences in wire, then I'll leave it to you on whether you can hear differences between DAC chips implemented nearly the same (as the NFB-27 and Master 7 are). However, there is no subtle difference in black level (and overall picture quality as a result) between a Vizio E series and the VT Panasonic.

In any case, you can't beat AGD for value- good luck!

 

 

 

I think I might stick with the M10 but if the DAC's don't make difference as a standalone unit then I might just get the Reference 5.32 which would save me about $1,300. It seems like within the lines of the models (SA/NFB) sound is different, but within the model numbers, its very subtle.

 

Has anyone here compared the sounds of M-series DACS with NFB's?


Edited by SearchOfSub - 8/30/13 at 2:52pm
post #717 of 1921
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

 

 

 

I think I might stick with the M10 but if the DAC's don't make difference as a standalone unit then I might just get the Reference 5.32 which would save me about $1,300. It seems like within the lines of the models (SA/NFB) sound is different, but within the model numbers, its very subtle.

 

Has anyone here compared the sounds of M-series DACS with NFB's?

I didn't say they don't make a difference, I said the differences are subtle and only the most revealing of speakers/ headphones take advantage of the M7 IMO. The Ref5.32/M10 would not be the best combo because you cannot connect the 5.32 to the M10 via the ACSS (they are different somehow). You can only use other Master series DAC's with Master series amps via ACSS, that's why I recommended the SA-300 amp, it would use XLR not ACSS connections- confused yet?

 

The Ref5.32->SA-300 would sound amazing I'm sure. I actually have a similar setup, I use the DAC of the NFB10 to my C10SE amp via XLR. It may not be quite as clean/tight as my old Ref-8 DAC but too close to matter.


Edited by tim3320070 - 8/30/13 at 3:27pm
post #718 of 1921
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post

I didn't say they don't make a difference, I said the differences are subtle and only the most revealing of speakers/ headphones take advantage of the M7 IMO. The Ref5.32/M10 would not be the best combo because you cannot connect the 5.32 to the M10 via the ACSS (they are different somehow). You can only use other Master series DAC's with Master series amps via ACSS, that's why I recommended the SA-300 amp, it would use XLR not ACSS connections- confused yet?

 

The Ref5.32->SA-300 would sound amazing I'm sure. I actually have a similar setup, I use the DAC of the NFB10 to my C10SE amp via XLR. It may not be quite as clean/tight as my old Ref-8 DAC but too close to matter.

Not sure where you get the notion that a Reference 5.32 cannot connect to a Master-10. I have had my two units connected by both XLR and ACSS.  

 

Frizzup

post #719 of 1921
All iPads and apple in general is limited to 24/96 or close to that , lookup the spec on the solo db it is listed there when used for apple. So it doesn't matter what files you have or can play apple limits the quality. If you want a tablet get surface pro now you can play dsd directly if you have the right DAC. Or jriver18/19 plays it and converts it on the fly to PCM .

Also there is a real difference in the M7 to ref10.32 both from AGD . I have both, and do prefere the M7 , but it is not night and day. They are both ultra hi end at real affordable prices.

Al D
post #720 of 1921
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Originally Posted by frizzup View Post

Not sure where you get the notion that a Reference 5.32 cannot connect to a Master-10. I have had my two units connected by both XLR and ACSS.  

 

Frizzup

 I see Kingwa that changed that - used to be ACSS did not work between Master series and his regular gear, thanks for clarifying.

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