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Thanks for letting me know. I read your last post on it and it kind of gave the impression that the two were close, but that you 'thought' the AP1+PP should sound better since it's greater cost. So the verdict from then to now is that you've sold/moved on from the AP1+PP to straight USB32 on the Master 7?

 

And how about a comparison with the PS Audio PWD mkII, any takers there? These two components are close enough in price that I'd really love to hear a good comparative review.


I am interested in this as well. I really would like to get the end-all DAC. I value sound stage (depth and width), detailed placement of sounds/instruments, and then good extension. At this price point, I would like some meet on the bones, and decent tonality, but precise layout is paramount for the way I listen. I think Preproman et al, AKA the OH Crew, are working DAC swap and comparisons, so sooner or later we should have interesting reviews.

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I'd like to hear more updates from fellow owners regarding break in.  I don't think mine has 15 hours on it yet and it has smoothed out some and softened a tad bit.

post #318 of 2253

The PWD2 and the Master 7 are two DACs that's really hard to say which is better.  

 

I changed firmware on the PWD2 to 2.2.0.  From the change it seems the 2.2.0 may in fact be a more pure and accurate representation of the recordings when compared to the 2.0.2.  The M7 already presents the music very lively and accurate plus the soud stage on the M7 seems to be a bit wider with more depth.  

 

The bass on both is now more even.  Before the bass on the PWD2 outdid the M7.  I have no idea if the bass on the M7 got better (with time) or the change in firmware scaled down the bass on the PWD2.  Now the bass on the M7 is just as good or better than the PWD2.   Both are good.

 

That's all for now.  

 

I'm in the process of getting a maxed out Off Ramp 5 so I can use I2S on both Dacs..  

 

I'll report back in a few weeks.

post #319 of 2253

Thank you Darryl! Seems like M7 would eek out the PWD for me but as always cost would be the ultimate determinator. The two DACs look really close. 

I was also considering the off ramp. please let me know how it works out. 

post #320 of 2253
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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post

Thank you Darryl! Seems like M7 would eek out the PWD for me but as always cost would be the ultimate determinator. The two DACs look really close. 

I was also considering the off ramp. please let me know how it works out. 

In the end the price for each may just be around the same (M7-new and PWD2-used).  If you can find a good PWD2 on the GON for under $2.5K.

post #321 of 2253

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

The PWD2 and the Master 7 are two DACs that's really hard to say which is better.  

 

I changed firmware on the PWD2 to 2.2.0.  From the change it seems the 2.2.0 may in fact be a more pure and accurate representation of the recordings when compared to the 2.0.2.  The M7 already presents the music very lively and accurate plus the soud stage on the M7 seems to be a bit wider with more depth.  

 

The bass on both is now more even.  Before the bass on the PWD2 outdid the M7.  I have no idea if the bass on the M7 got better (with time) or the change in firmware scaled down the bass on the PWD2.  Now the bass on the M7 is just as good or better than the PWD2.   Both are good.

 

That's all for now.  

 

I'm in the process of getting a maxed out Off Ramp 5 so I can use I2S on both Dacs..  

 

I'll report back in a few weeks.

 

Just making things difficult, eh? Good to hear though, it's gonna be a tough choice and probably come down to price at time of purchase just like you mentioned there.

 

And I read back through yours and Sharose's posts like he told me, I was able to glean a little more of an answer. I know we're probably dealing with splitting hairs at this level, but was the bass weight significantly more when you had the 2.0.2 firmware on the PWD MkII ?  That's probably my biggest scare right now, because I seemed to read a few times that the Master 7's bass weight is less than the Ref 7.1, and the PWD MkII @ 2.0.2 was above the 7.1.

 

I suppose I'm waiting on your bigger shoot-out once you get the OR5+ via I2S. There's nothing better, besides firsthand, than a solid shoot-out smily_headphones1.gif  I'm very interested in this show down too, since it's sounding like the Master 7's USB32 is a fine interface and there's no benefit to a USB->SPDIF converter, just like the PWD MkII. But feeding them I2S might have something else to show popcorn.gif

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I would like to know if anyone has tried the Master 7 on a Linux box (running a recent version of ALSA), and the Linux compatibility of USB32. The Audio-gd official page says USB32 is USB Audio Class 2 compliant, yet they made a warning about Linux devices so I'm a bit confused.

 

I'm seriously considering the Master 7 to pair with the GS-X mk2 I've ordered, but my listening rig is Linux based and the place I live doesn't have any return policy, so I need to know if Master 7 works well with Linux.

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USB32?
post #324 of 2253
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Originally Posted by CybDev View Post

USB32?

 

If I'm not wrong, it's how Audio-gd call the USB input of Master 7

 

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/USB32/USB32EN.htm

post #325 of 2253
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Originally Posted by cwtim01 View Post

I would like to know if anyone has tried the Master 7 on a Linux box (running a recent version of ALSA), and the Linux compatibility of USB32. The Audio-gd official page says USB32 is USB Audio Class 2 compliant, yet they made a warning about Linux devices so I'm a bit confused.

 

I'm seriously considering the Master 7 to pair with the GS-X mk2 I've ordered, but my listening rig is Linux based and the place I live doesn't have any return policy, so I need to know if Master 7 works well with Linux.

 

My NFB-27 didn't work properly off the USB port of my Squeezebox Touch (EDO) using the asynchronous Firmware (#4). Sound was stuttering...

 

The adaptive firmware (#3) worked like a charm with it.

post #326 of 2253
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

The power socket and a new shield box for it. There's enough slack in the internal power cable that you can just cut the old one off and (carefully) strip the new one. I have a crazy idea one day to remove all the internal power cable shielding and use pre-shielded Acrolink power cable internally but that would be extremely tedious to do as you have to remove a hell of a lot of stuff first.

Thanks Currawong!

Could you take a couple of pictures of the wirings that you did showing where what goes, please?

That would be a big help for me.

 

The power wiring is the same on the new board as the board you are removing. Other than that, everything on the digital board is laid out in the same order as it is on the back plate. The only thing to be careful of is making sure you don't accidentally reverse the polarity of the power wiring as that would be fatal. 

 

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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

Hey Currawong, does the USB32 implementation work with the iPad with the CCK?

 

No unfortunately. I'm pretty sure it didn't work when I tried it, even with a USB hub in between (not that the power is connected on the DAC end of the USB). I'm sure VIA could rig up a firmware that would work, but Kingwa would have to ask them.

post #327 of 2253
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

My NFB-27 didn't work properly off the USB port of my Squeezebox Touch (EDO) using the asynchronous Firmware (#4). Sound was stuttering...

 

The adaptive firmware (#3) worked like a charm with it.


Thanks, but that's actually worrying for me as I want to run the USB connection in async mode instead of adaptive mode, do you know if the problem with async firmware is specific to EDO or to other variants of Linux also.

post #328 of 2253
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

I hear my M7 humming when I put my ear up to it-is this normal? I don't recall my Reference 9 humming.
-Daniel

 

...Bueller...?

 

-Daniel

post #329 of 2253
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Originally Posted by cwtim01 View Post


Thanks, but that's actually worrying for me as I want to run the USB connection in async mode instead of adaptive mode, do you know if the problem with async firmware is specific to EDO or to other variants of Linux also.

 

I can't confirm that, I don't have a linux computer.

 

Note that I asked Kingwa to put a S/PDif output (from USB) on my NFB-27 so he had to re-enable this feature in the async firmware (#4) or the VIA chip. This might well be the issue because the async firmware is reported to work fine on the EDO compatibility list... Also, my Reference 5.32 had no issue with EDO. I didn't check what firmware it came with though.

 

I'm not of great help here, sorry...

post #330 of 2253
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

I can't confirm that, I don't have a linux computer.

 

Note that I asked Kingwa to put a S/PDif output (from USB) on my NFB-27 so he had to re-enable this feature in the async firmware (#4) or the VIA chip. This might well be the issue because the async firmware is reported to work fine on the EDO compatibility list... Also, my Reference 5.32 had no issue with EDO. I didn't check what firmware it came with though.

 

I'm not of great help here, sorry...


The information you gave is already very useful and I really appreciate smile.gif, for now I know where the potential problems may be.

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