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post #1621 of 3518

No, never. Performance of foobar2000 is OK.

post #1622 of 3518
JRiver is about as good as it gets. If you want improvement from there you could try windows server with audiophile optimizer, and maybe a pcie usb card and a low ripple atx power supply.

I have digressed but I have tried many of the audiophile players and find JRiver 19 to be better for sound quality.
post #1623 of 3518

So I will keep on using Jriver without regrets, in Asio Ks mode.

Last question: If I go into control panel, select audio gd spidf interface, I can select the maximum output in khz it can have, so I put 32 bit and 192 khz (32 bit and 384 khz doesn't sound as suggested). Shall I put instead 24 bit and 192 khz which I understand is the maximum output it can get (even if 32 bit is working)?

post #1624 of 3518
Has anyone here tried windows fidilizer , sorry not sure of the spelling .

Al
post #1625 of 3518

Yes, for a basic, one-click program that only requires a restart to revert the changes, it works pretty well. I have done some very basic comparison measurements (not saved or posted anywhere) and noted some random noise spikes and such be reduced after using Fidelizer, though this highly depends on the computer setup, DAC, and everything else in line with that. Whether or not there's actually an audible difference, you'd have to test for yourself.

post #1626 of 3518
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Originally Posted by decapitate85 View Post
 

So I will keep on using Jriver without regrets, in Asio Ks mode.

Last question: If I go into control panel, select audio gd spidf interface, I can select the maximum output in khz it can have, so I put 32 bit and 192 khz (32 bit and 384 khz doesn't sound as suggested). Shall I put instead 24 bit and 192 khz which I understand is the maximum output it can get (even if 32 bit is working)?


I use Foobar2000 and with USB32 on the Master 7 I always select 32-bit output width and never have a problem whether the playback files are 16 or 24 bits.   

post #1627 of 3518

Holy shirt! (hair?)  I'll let purrin and maybe some others detail blow-by-blow point interpretations of  DACLadder's new LVDS HDMI I2S conversion boards, but DACLadder's use of quality wiring and components (parts connexion, etc.) this time around have apparently made a quantum difference in sonic performance from his prototype I2S board I'd evaluated and been enjoying. A lush fuller bodied sound with better micro-detail retrieval and decay resolution, as well as treble control, spatial imaging and bass impact.  I can't recommend it enough.


Edited by jacal01 - 4/3/14 at 8:35am
post #1628 of 3518

I think different people prefer different sound (also have different PC, HP, dac, cables etc.) and therefore prefer different media players and applications. I like Jriver better than Foobar on Master 7 - USB 32 and on Hegel 20 with AP2 and PP. Foobar sound more artificial and digital than Jriver to my old vinyl ears.

 

I have found that for me Wasapi works best in Jriver than playing on M7 - USB 32.  KS and Asio sound too restrained in the higher mids (1-3 KHz) IMO.

 

 My suggestion is try them all to see which one you prefer. I have Windows 7 btw.

post #1629 of 3518
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Originally Posted by jacal01 View Post
 

Holy shirt! (hair?)  I'll let purrin and maybe some others detail blow-by-blow point interpretations of  DACLadder's new LVDS HDMI I2S conversion boards, but DACLadder's use of quality wiring and components (parts connexion, etc.) this time around have apparently made a quantum difference in sonic performance from his prototype I2S board I'd evaluated and been enjoying. A lush fuller bodied sound with better micro-detail retrieval and decay resolution, as well as treble control, spatial imaging and bass impact.  I can't recommend it enough.

Thank you sir!  Besides myself jacal01 is the longest user of the HDMI I2S board (oops.. sorry "L2L" board) in a Master 7.  His Rev 1 prototype is embarrassing as it has a cheesy $0.65 internal I2S cable and also had to reuse pins for the power connection.  He installed the newer version yesterday with a different HDMI receiver chip than was provided on his earlier rev 1 board plus the other changes between rev 1 and 2.  Jacal01 uses a PSA PWT disc transport for HDMI I2S source and also other audio equipment way above my pay grade.  Can't thank him enough for his Emails on PWT operation and sound quality analysis on the various board/ chip types.  I owe you a steak dinner... wait, I think you owe me a steak dinner!   We'll flip for it when we meet up someday!  :D   

post #1630 of 3518

Meanwhile, I'll gladly pay you next Tuesday for a hamburger today (as I said before)...  :wink:

post #1631 of 3518
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Originally Posted by jacal01 View Post
 

Holy shirt! (hair?)  I'll let purrin and maybe some others detail blow-by-blow point interpretations of  DACLadder's new LVDS HDMI I2S conversion boards, but DACLadder's use of quality wiring and components (parts connexion, etc.) this time around have apparently made a quantum difference in sonic performance from his prototype I2S board I'd evaluated and been enjoying. A lush fuller bodied sound with better micro-detail retrieval and decay resolution, as well as treble control, spatial imaging and bass impact.  I can't recommend it enough.

Damn, makes me want to run right out(read: click over a few bookmarks) and buy up one of the Master 7s in the For Sale forum right now! 

 

Though it was a LONGGGG process, I still wonder whether I ended up with the right DAC in the PWD Mkii or if the M7 really would be the better one for me? Not having heard an M7 I can't say, so I'm always left to wonder. And now that the M7 has gotten "Differential I2s" via DACLadder's board, it's even more tempting. Maybe somewhere down the line I'll get a chance to have a listen to one of the v2 modded Differential I2s units. If I'm lucky...

 

I wonder what KingWa's next statement DAC is going to be? The M7 really does seem to have been almost perfectly received, I wonder where he can go from there?

post #1632 of 3518

Question has anyone been getting BSOD while listening to something( I have the Master-7) and using Facebook at the same time? I usually find it happens while using FB, or something that uses flashplayer(?) strange thing it doesn't happen with my laptop(i5) maybe something that has to do with the CPU  I have a AMD Phenom II X4. (I formated a week ago)

post #1633 of 3518
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Originally Posted by decapitate85 View Post

Ok thank you, but what about the performance? Did you ever use jriver?

 



I'm using MQn-Player since two weeks. Although there is nearly no comfortable GUI the sound compensates any inconvenience. The MQn player is imho the end of any digital harshness - sounding extremely "analogue". The following ranking might give an orientation (of course regarding my subjective experiences in my setup):

1. MQn player
2. JPlay mini (DualPC setup)
3. JPlay with foobar 0.8.3 (DualPC setup)
4. JPlay with foobar 1.3.x (DualPC setup)
5. JPlay with JRiver (DualPC setup)
6. VLC player
7. foobar 0.8.3
8. foobar 1.3.x / JRiver (both equal)

All players running on Windows Server 2012 R2 and Audiophile Optimizer (PCs with Intel CPU i5). Same differences also audible in Windows 8.1 (but Windows Server 2012 R2 with AO sounds far better). My setup: http://www.aktives-hoeren.de/viewtopic.php?p=73363#p73363
post #1634 of 3518
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Originally Posted by Fujak View Post

I'm using MQn-Player since two weeks. Although there is nearly no comfortable GUI the sound compensates any inconvenience. The MQn player is imho the end of any digital harshness - sounding extremely "analogue". The following ranking might give an orientation (of course regarding my subjective experiences in my setup):

1. MQn player
2. JPlay mini (DualPC setup)
3. JPlay with foobar 0.8.3 (DualPC setup)
4. JPlay with foobar 1.3.x (DualPC setup)
5. JPlay with JRiver (DualPC setup)
6. VLC player
7. foobar 0.8.3
8. foobar 1.3.x / JRiver (both equal)

 

See, what you really should have said was:

 

"I've been using a bunch of different players over the past couple years and by far Jplay in DualPC Setup is THE BEST. There's absolutely nothing else out there that I've tried that was remotely close to how good it is. Especially not a whole other player, called MQn-Player."

 

And the reason you should have said it THAT WAY is because you're going to drive me completely crazy going back and forth and around in circles trying to figure out what that best player is. Everything I think I've totally settled on Jplay or whatever else, I start finding a whole bunch of posts about how ____ program is sounding amazing and better than ____ (whatever one I own). 

 

From all that and the fact that I've been using Jplay for a couple years now, I've more or less committed to the DualPC Jplay setup. But I'm in the midst of a system overhaul, so the computer pieces and different gear are all over the place right now. Because of that I'm still up in hte air about how I'd really like to bring things together once I get to that point in a few months. This is hard. First world problems, I know, I know. But still, I'd just like to find a damn answer to this question.

 

One of the reasons I like Jplay is that I can use it with JRiver Media Centre. I know there's some compatibility issues sometimes, but overall JRMC has really got the Library Management thing nailed down, and I like that. And Jplay's got the sound, at least from what I've experienced anyway.

post #1635 of 3518
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny-x View Post
 

Damn, makes me want to run right out(read: click over a few bookmarks) and buy up one of the Master 7s in the For Sale forum right now!

 

Though it was a LONGGGG process, I still wonder whether I ended up with the right DAC in the PWD Mkii or if the M7 really would be the better one for me? Not having heard an M7 I can't say, so I'm always left to wonder. And now that the M7 has gotten "Differential I2s" via DACLadder's board, it's even more tempting. Maybe somewhere down the line I'll get a chance to have a listen to one of the v2 modded Differential I2s units. If I'm lucky...

 

I wonder what KingWa's next statement DAC is going to be? The M7 really does seem to have been almost perfectly received, I wonder where he can go from there?

 

There's such a plethora of DAC products currently out there right now, I can understand your initial agonizing and second guessing over your choice.  Presumably PSA would say that their PWT/PWD MkII is the optimum configuration for faithful LVDS I2S signal transmission/reception. And the PWD 2 has certainly garnered its share of favorable reviews and comparisons.  I will say, tho, that with the availability now of DACLadder's HDMI L2L I2S input board, my M7 DAC choice is appearing smarter and smarter in hindsight.

 

I myself ended selecting the M7 over other statement DAC candidates by reason of opting for a mature developed (otimized?) PCM1704 DAC topology product, wanting an R2R ladder design and not being able to step up to the plate for the cost of a good discrete R2R ladder DAC, and on the strength of Currawong's M7 review.  So you see, it's all just a continuing pecking order of rave reviews...  :wink:

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