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post #1111 of 3493
I am not saying you are wrong , after all it's what you hear right. But the AP1with PP IS marginally better but it is bnc. And this input is limited to 24/96. Now that is still really good right. But it does not sound as good as the USB or if better very little. Now the offramp5 is true I2S input. And it has dual clocks and regulators , has a custom rj45 cable and a custom PSU. NOW TO MY EARS . It is better , you cannot say I'm wrong as I cannot say you are. Now given my off ramp with this accessories cost more than the M7.

Al. D
post #1112 of 3493
To each his own I guess. The Audiophilleo with battery power is superior to the USB 32 at least with windows 8. I used the USB 32 for a better part of a year before acquiring the Audiophilleo and the difference was readily apparent to my ears. My CD player feeding the BNC input of the M7 is superior to the USB 32 to my ears as well. The USB 32 by comparison is more round, softer sounding. If a softer more opaque sound is your thing then the usb32 would be your preference I guess.

I will say that with each firmware and/or driver update the usb32 got better it just isn't there yet IMO.
Edited by ciphercomplete - 1/2/14 at 9:48pm
post #1113 of 3493
I prefer the firmware #3 over all the newer ones for its warmer sound...
post #1114 of 3493
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Originally Posted by macrog View Post

I think the USB32 input on the Master 7 is very good, in fact I would rate it as great under integer mode on OSX.

Windows drivers don't sound as good as OSX integer drivers to me though.

I2S input on the Master 7 is a step above any other inputs though as far as neutrality and detail. This is using A-g Reference 5 digital converter with usb32, TCXO and I2S upgrades.

BNC input is better than the RCA digital input on the Master 7 and I plug my A-g CD7FV into the BNC input. Less warm and opaque sounding.

The AES/EBU input is about on par with the BNC input but with a slightly different but not necessarily better presentation i.e very large soundstage

My comparison of rca, bnc and AES/EBU is using the M2Tech Evo Stack i.e. EVO usb converter, Evo external clock & Evo external battery power supply.

I love the Master 7 and will sadly mourn its passing. The only other DAC that really interests me is the Metrum Hex.

Regards

Macrog

I had the Metrum Hex and imo the M7 is a much better DAC. M7 has better soundstaging and resolution. Hex has a slightly warmer bassier sound.
post #1115 of 3493

Thanks all for your help - that's really strange just got a message from Kingwa to say KS is better than WASAPI and ASIO.

 

I'll try both tonight to see if i can hear much of a difference. He did say however he's testing new drivers so there may be something coming soon.

 

Thanks for all the links and advice.

post #1116 of 3493
It's all objective and system related. This is why there is no absolute. As resolution of your system and synergy matter too. I always test my self and see what is best for me. Has anyone asked kingwa for what is next in the M7 category.

There is a DAC named the TRINITY dac that uses 8 1704 chips per side total 16. And it is supposed to be the bomb right now.

Al. D
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It's all objective and system related. This is why there is no absolute. As resolution of your system and synergy matter too. I always test my self and see what is best for me. Has anyone asked kingwa for what is next in the M7 category.

There is a DAC named the TRINITY dac that uses 8 1704 chips per side total 16. And it is supposed to be the bomb right now.

Al. D


When I spoke to Kingwa last regarding this chip - he mentioned there is no way he can continue to design gear around it as the price to purchse has sky rocketed making it unfeasable for him to offer product at a reasonable price.

 

I guess he'll have to consider an alternative :(

post #1118 of 3493
It could be why the trinity DAC cost 60k.
post #1119 of 3493
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It could be why the trinity DAC cost 60k.

 

If it uses 512 chips, maybe :D

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Originally Posted by Hun7er View Post
 

Hello,

 

There is another product that can fed the i2S interface ?

 

Where I can buy a I2S cable ? A RJ45 from computer can work ?

 

 

http://www.audiobyte.ro/hydra.html

 

 

 


Edited by preproman - 1/3/14 at 10:03am
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I'm not sure why Kingwa has decided that the price of the chips are too high now when in the past he has just simply raised the price of the dacs.  IIRC about 6-7 years ago the top line dac that used 8 1704 chips was a hair below $1000 and the current price is now more than double.  The price increase might make mid and entry level 1704 dacs too expensive to compete in their class but surely there is room for top line 1704 dac even if it is $3000 or $4000.

 

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I'll try both tonight to see if i can hear much of a difference. He did say however he's testing new drivers so there may be something coming soon.

 

 

Thats great that he will be releasing some new drivers I will definitely try them out.

After reading some of the posts in this thread last night I am now planning on making my music server a dual boot between Linux and Windows 8 once J River releases their full retail Linux version. The USB32 does not need drivers to run in Linux so if the windows drivers are the bottle neck then I will hear it.  I last used Firmware #7 with the USB32 with either Wasapi or ASIO (KS wrapper).  I did switch back to the usb32 for about a hour last night and my observations/ comparisons of it to the Audiophilleo remain unchanged.


Edited by ciphercomplete - 1/3/14 at 9:49am
post #1122 of 3493
yes but you have to pin it differently . so it is a custom cable or you make it
post #1123 of 3493

My observations of usb32 versus Audiophilleo 1 are using OSX mavericks not Windows

 

regards

 

Macrog

post #1124 of 3493
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Originally Posted by cradon View Post


I had the Metrum Hex and imo the M7 is a much better DAC. M7 has better soundstaging and resolution. Hex has a slightly warmer bassier sound.

 

 

Thanks you saved me some cash :)

 

regards

 

Macrog

post #1125 of 3493

From what I've heard on both.  The HEX does red book and female vocals better.  The Master 7 extracts more detail and may resolve a tad bit better (maybe).  Yes the Master 7 has a wider soundstage and the Hex is more intimate still - not by much.  I'm now liking the NOS sound on my RED Book files.  I never got a chance to listen to the M7 in NOS mode, so the sound may change a bit. 

 

The HEX sounds closer to the AMR than the M7 does. 

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