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post #1081 of 3495

Has anyone heard both the M7 and the NFB 7 via the off-ramp is2? Are they close when fed by a high end source like that?

 

 

(nvm, seems Purrin has answered my question in a previous post)


Edited by blitzxgene - 12/29/13 at 7:49pm
post #1082 of 3495

Im in contact with the local audio-gd dealer that will lend me the master 7 for home demo. Im quite looking forward to this :-)

post #1083 of 3495
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

 

Finally, I should reiterate that my experience with the M7 may be different from others since I don't and I won't use the built-in USB32. To be frank, the USB32 sucks, in that it severely - severely - limits the potential of the M7.

 

I didn't want to believe this, in fact you can probably find posts from me doubting this, but this is absolutely correct.  In fact I would go as far as to say that only the BNC input and (I'm assuming) the I2S input allow one to hear the true potential of the M7.  Even if you don't have a transport with a true BNC output simply using a cheap RCA to BNC converter and then using the BNC input is a improvement over the RCA input.

 

I'm still a bit scared of the OR5's reputation for being dark, but I may try it out next year in order to compare the BNC input to I2S and sell the converter I like least.  Right now, however, the Audiophilleo is rocking!


Edited by ciphercomplete - 12/30/13 at 6:38am
post #1084 of 3495
I have both the ap1 with pure power and it's the new 384 DSD one.
I also own the offramp 5 all options and his new separate psu. They both are very good
The offramp connect to the i2s. Input as such it is the only way to achieve the full 24/192
It's not dark. It's black. Meaning it is a blacker backdround. It's not less bright but gives you
More detail of the sound of the music. I have a MSB stack that's about 35 K
And I use this as a ref and the audio GD M7 is the closest. To it.
If you want the most that rack can give you buy the offramp. If you live in USA NYC area
Come to my office and hear what it does.

Al. D
post #1085 of 3495
And Steve does a thigh day trial also. If it does not make the difference return it.
Ps I also bought his I2s cable as well. It's a cat 7 shielded
post #1086 of 3495

One persons "black" is another's "dark" http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ddgtl&1357072390 (see last post), and http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2013/09/06/audiophileo-1-with-pure-power-the-little-combo-that-could/

 

So I would say its more a subjective thing than anything so you are right I just need to try it out and see where my preferences are.  

post #1087 of 3495

For me dark is veiled as in lack of clarity.

Black means an absence of connecting tissue between the instrument (e.g. noise) but they retain their full clarity with no tamed treble and, as a result, no veiling.

Note: when the background is black, meaning no (or more reasonably: less) white noise , the overall sound shifts towards darkness because white noise is perceived as bright; by removing noise, brightness is also reduced.

 

The Ciunas DAC and most Audio-GD offering are black in this sense.


Edited by Clemmaster - 12/30/13 at 9:24am
post #1088 of 3495
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Originally Posted by ciphercomplete View Post

 

I'm still a bit scared of the OR5's reputation for being dark, but I may try it out next year in order to compare the BNC input to I2S and sell the converter I like least.  Right now, however, the Audiophilleo is rocking!

 

I know of two sources on the Internet stating that they felt the OR5 to have a darker sound. This however has NOT been my experience with the M7, PWD2, Gungir, and Uber-frost, whether from coax, AES, BNC, i2s.

 

  1. With the M7, the OR5 removed the slight hint of stridency of the USB32. If that makes the OR5 dark sounding, then so it be. However, the OR5 also removed the murky bass thickness of the USB32. If anything, I would say the OR5 brought out the mids better for more neutral presentation from the USB32.
  2. With the PWD2, the OR5 (especially via i2s) helped by offering a more cohesive, more liquid, less disjointed grainy presentation with slightly less rasp in the treble. If this makes the OR5 dark sounding, then so it be. 
  3. With the Schiit DACs, the OR5 did not change tonality at all. Just made everything tighter and more precise. Less fuzzy and more clear.

 

In all the above cases, the OR5 did provide a blacker "blackground". A more pure or clean canvas which the sounds would be painted on - in addition to the extra control, precision, articulation, and maybe slightly more micro-detail.

 

The AMB σ11 PS I'm using provides a more relaxed presentation - better ease - more refined - smoother (plus minimal gains in grunt and microdetail extraction). Kind of hard to explain. If this makes the OR5 dark sounding, then so it be. I don't have the Turboclocks in the OR5 because I didn't see it as an upgrade with the wall-wart I had before. I'm tempted to try the Turboclocks now that I have a good power supply.

 

Personally, I think people have become accustomed to treble harshness (and a host of many other problems) caused by dirty power in USB.


Edited by purrin - 12/30/13 at 12:38pm
post #1089 of 3495
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

I know of two sources on the Internet stating that they felt the OR5 to have a darker sound. This however has NOT been my experience with the M7, PWD2, Gungir, and Uber-frost, whether from coax, AES, BNC, i2s.

 

Personally, I think people have become accustomed to treble harshness (and a host of many other problems) caused by dirty power in USB.

 

Its subjective at this point really.  There is no real definition of "dark" I only remarked as such because I have read the OR5 described as such on multiple occasions and that is a red flag for me because I enjoy a more airy top end and detailed midrange.  It may not be "dark" according to my tastes but since I haven't heard it I can't say.  Case in point, alot of people think the HD650s are really dark but I thought they were only slightly rolled off.  The only cure is to hear it myself which I may do early next year on a 30 day trial.  

 

I have never used a converter that used usb power (I refused to consider usb products like these) so I can't really comment on treble harshness from computer interference.  The usb 32 is powered by the M7 and I used to use the AGD DI-V3 with power supply.  My AP is powered by a battery.  


Edited by ciphercomplete - 12/30/13 at 12:57pm
post #1090 of 3495
Purrin. Yea well said. I have the turbo clocks and his new psu as well.

And his I2S cable. I know I spent about 2200. But I have a great DAC in the M7.

For me it also gave me a better sound stage. That does not move. It was worth every dime.

Al. D
post #1091 of 3495
Any M7 owners who would like to share how the BNC input sounds compared to I2S input (from the same source/transport) please?
post #1092 of 3495
I have only tried a few times when I was testing my AP1 and PP.
IT IS limited to 24/96. And it is really good but the i2s is better with the offramp 5
post #1093 of 3495
Thanks. So what's the sonic difference between I2S and BNC input? And how big a difference are we talking about if you could put that into words...
post #1094 of 3495
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Originally Posted by ciphercomplete View Post
 

 

I didn't want to believe this, in fact you can probably find posts from me doubting this, but this is absolutely correct.  In fact I would go as far as to say that only the BNC input and (I'm assuming) the I2S input allow one to hear the true potential of the M7.  Even if you don't have a transport with a true BNC output simply using a cheap RCA to BNC converter and then using the BNC input is a improvement over the RCA input.

 

I'm still a bit scared of the OR5's reputation for being dark, but I may try it out next year in order to compare the BNC input to I2S and sell the converter I like least.  Right now, however, the Audiophilleo is rocking!

 

This is an interesting post.  I've had a Reference 7 for years, not a Master 7.  I had tried many different ways to feed it from a computer and, while the results were good, they were not great until I tried the Berkeley Alpha USB convertor.  With the Berkeley, I've been very satisfied.  It has a choice of AES/EBU and BNC outputs.  Most people who own the Berkeley adapter say that the AES/EBU output sounds best (probably because they are feeding it into the Berkeley DAC).  With the Ref 7, I think the BNC input coming out of the Berkeley sounds best.

post #1095 of 3495
Having the M7. There is a marked improvement over the USB. Input. Although kingwa
Makes great products. His week link is USB implementation. No doubt.
And as such using anyone's USB to whatever most Likely improve it
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